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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) Starfleet Ship Design Bureau, Refit ("To Boldly Go...")
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[ ][PRIORITY] Star-Kin long-term to Refits / Replacements
somewhat interesting
[ ][PRIORITY] Indorian short-term to Build Renaissance-A (next year)
eh, do not feel a major rush
[ ]PRIORITY] Anyone interested in some Starfleet BR for your SR?
mild interest but not compelled to pick
 
I was going over my vote to see if I could cut out some excess RP spending (for the purpose of bringing it below 200) but it only came out to 195 and I feel good about that.

chriswriter90 said:
Priority
[X][PRIORITY] Star-Kin long-term to Refits / Replacements
[X][PRIORITY] Indorian short-term to Build Renaissance-A (next year).
[X][PRIORITY] Anyone interested in some Starfleet BR for your SR?

Caldonia
Caldonian Data Security Team: C2 S5 P2 H2 N9
[X][TOL] Train with Special Projects (Caldonian spec ops teams will have C6 S5 H4 P2 N8)

ConnieBees, 1
[X][CONNIE] Transfer two to the Magen Chalal of the Ked Paddah
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Orion Union Navy. Will require temporary transfer of 3.5 points of Technician crew, to come from federalized member fleets. (-2 pp to set up the transfer program)
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Tauni Space Gate Command (-3 pp, +5 relations with Tauni)
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Yrillian navy (-5 pp, +8 relations with Yrillia)
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Preservation Coalition Space Bureau of the OSA (-10 pp, +16 relations with Outer Space Alliance)
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Space Probe Agency of the Vermillion Connectivity (-9 pp, +19 on [Obsolete Technology] tag on Vermillion Connectivity; -35 rp for technical assistance)

ConnieBees, 2
[X][BEE] Do not support the conversion program
-[X][BEE] Use a Kalindrax-R instead.

Relief Aid
[X][RELIEF] Do not approve the program

Maiden of Dawn
[X][MAIDEN] Build a new cruiser around Maiden of Dawn's computer for the Orion Union Navy. (-100 rp, -35 br, -25 sr, Orion Union Navy gains a new custom cruiser (statline C3 S5 H2 L3 P3 D4, crew cost 2/3/3) in 2327.Q1), Maiden of Dawn acts as new research colony while operational (base of 5 rp/year)

New Odanner
[X][LAIO] Provide technical support in adapting the OSA's Ray-class design to Laian needs and capabilities. (-50 rp each year for two years; -20 pp to reserve Honiani 4mt berth in 2326.Q1 for construction of the new Odanner; gain intelligence report on the Ray; Laio will build a 2mt berth at Laian starting in 2326.Q1)

Vermillions
[X][OCTO] Arrange for the transfer of two Tech-Frigates to the Vermillion Connectivity (-10 rp to ensure the safety of the Tech-Frigates' warp cores, +5 on [Obsolete Technology] tag on Vermillion Connectivity)
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I was going to take some time to go over everything and update my vote, but honestly ChrisWriter90's vote is close enough for me, at the moment. That Relief Project is a very Starfleet thing to do, but if it will still be available next year, then I'm willing to risk it.

Priority
[X][PRIORITY] Star-Kin long-term to Refits / Replacements
[X][PRIORITY] Indorian short-term to Build Renaissance-A (next year).
[X][PRIORITY] Anyone interested in some Starfleet BR for your SR?

Caldonia
Caldonian Data Security Team: C2 S5 P2 H2 N9
[X][TOL] Train with Special Projects (Caldonian spec ops teams will have C6 S5 H4 P2 N8)

ConnieBees, 1
[X][CONNIE] Transfer two to the Magen Chalal of the Ked Paddah
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Orion Union Navy. Will require temporary transfer of 3.5 points of Technician crew, to come from federalized member fleets. (-2 pp to set up the transfer program)
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Tauni Space Gate Command (-3 pp, +5 relations with Tauni)
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Yrillian navy (-5 pp, +8 relations with Yrillia)
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Preservation Coalition Space Bureau of the OSA (-10 pp, +16 relations with Outer Space Alliance)
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Space Probe Agency of the Vermillion Connectivity (-9 pp, +19 on [Obsolete Technology] tag on Vermillion Connectivity; -35 rp for technical assistance)

ConnieBees, 2
[X][BEE] Do not support the conversion program

Relief Aid
[X][RELIEF] Do not approve the program

Maiden of Dawn
[X][MAIDEN] Build a new cruiser around Maiden of Dawn's computer for the Orion Union Navy. (-100 rp, -35 br, -25 sr, Orion Union Navy gains a new custom cruiser (statline C3 S5 H2 L3 P3 D4, crew cost 2/3/3) in 2327.Q1), Maiden of Dawn acts as new research colony while operational (base of 5 rp/year)

New Odanner
[X][LAIO] Provide technical support in adapting the OSA's Ray-class design to Laian needs and capabilities. (-50 rp each year for two years; -20 pp to reserve Honiani 4mt berth in 2326.Q1 for construction of the new Odanner; gain intelligence report on the Ray; Laio will build a 2mt berth at Laian starting in 2326.Q1)

Vermillions
[X][OCTO] Arrange for the transfer of two Tech-Frigates to the Vermillion Connectivity (-10 rp to ensure the safety of the Tech-Frigates' warp cores, +5 on [Obsolete Technology] tag on Vermillion Connectivity)
 
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Out of curiosity, why do the Amarki of all people want the Connies? They could build Rennies if they wanted!

sunrise said:
It is nice to see how big the Ashidi fleet is:
3 M11 heavy cruisers(C6 S6 H5 L7 P6 D5)
12 L7-19 cruisers(C4 S5 H4 L5 P3 D5)
6 S3 cruisers (C3 S6 H2 L3 P1 D3)
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Nice to see that witten down somewhere. The Ashidi don't have a Fleet Page, or a Nation Page, or even a Species Page.

We know practically less about them then we do about the Leccare.

Maelore said:
And so you are positive that that taking a -75 pt option won't make a new tag? Hmm seems like something I can see happening. Thinking it won't is underselling the QMs.
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We know that failure to respond to the Tau'ni's Moon Exploding was worth -100 relations with the Tau'ni before it was changed to a 0/100 Tag. Giving House Arsehole the Connie is worth 3/4 of a moon exploding!

Derpmind said:
More importantly for us and the Gorn, the Great Power Ambitions tag has transmuted into a 0/NA tag while our points have gone towards the new Militarist Foreign Policy tag.
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Himmelhand said:
I'm guessing the Gorn won't be able to progress beyond affiliation until the looming issues of their war with the Ittick-ka, the internal power struggle, and possibly also their mastery over the Dawiar.
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Damn! We really have our work cut out for us!

Goat said:
-[X][BEE] Use a Kalindrax-R instead.
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That Kalindrax thing was a joke vote. You don't have to copy that part.
 
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chriswriter90 said:
Out of curiosity, why do the Amarki of all people want the Connies? They could build Rennies if they wanted!
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They don't want to build Rennies, their yards are kinda full, they respect the ConnieBees for their service in the GBZ, and they would like some cruisers available right away (even if they're going to retire them in not too many years).
 
[X][PRIORITY] Star-Kin long-term to Refits / Replacements
[X][PRIORITY] Indorian short-term to Build Renaissance-A (next year).
[X][PRIORITY] Anyone interested in some Starfleet BR for your SR?

[X][TOL] Train with Irregular Ops (Caldonian spec ops teams will have C5 S5 H4 P3 N8)

[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Orion Union Navy. Will require temporary transfer of 3.5 points of Technician crew, to come from federalized member fleets. (-2 pp to set up the transfer program)
[X][CONNIE] Transfer two to the Confederacy of Amarkia Navy
[X][CONNIE] Transfer two to the Magen Chalal of the Ked Paddah
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Tauni Space Gate Command (-3 pp, +5 relations with Tauni)
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Yrillian navy (-5 pp, +8 relations with Yrillia)
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Preservation Coalition Space Bureau of the OSA (-10 pp, +16 relations with Outer Space Alliance)
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Space Probe Agency of the Vermillion Connectivity (-9 pp, +19 on [Obsolete Technology] tag on Vermillion Connectivity; -35 rp for technical assistance)

[X][BEE] Do not support the conversion program

[X][RELIEF] Approve the program (-200 rp, +40 pp)

[X][MAIDEN] Build a new cruiser around Maiden of Dawn's computer for the Orion Union Navy. (-100 rp, -35 br, -25 sr, Orion Union Navy gains a new custom cruiser (statline C3 S5 H2 L3 P3 D4, crew cost 2/3/3) in 2327.Q1), Maiden of Dawn acts as new research colony while operational (base of 5 rp/year)

[X][LAIO] Provide technical support in adapting the OSA's Ray-class design to Laian needs and capabilities. (-50 rp each year for two years; -20 pp to reserve Honiani 4mt berth in 2326.Q1 for construction of the new Odanner; gain intelligence report on the Ray; Laio will build a 2mt berth at Laian starting in 2326.Q1)

[X][OCTO] Arrange for the transfer of two Tech-Frigates to the Vermillion Connectivity (-10 rp to ensure the safety of the Tech-Frigates' warp cores, +5 on [Obsolete Technology] tag on Vermillion Connectivity)

Figured I should remember to vote. Willing to go a bit over on rp expenditure, although I'd be a lot happier if Maiden gave a few more rp each year and thus didn't start as an investment that'll take twenty years to pay back.
 
Remember that members apparently don't have to pay us anything to request ships, even political favors/pp. A ConnieB is worth 50/40 which is a significant chunk of resources to a member fleet. They may simply use them as a mobile chunk of resources with stats that gets disassembled in 4-5 years to make way for the new hotness. That's a time frame that fits well with a RennieA refit being designed and then built new.
 
agumentic said:
Amarki are a big fans of the whole "something old is given a second life of service" thing in general.
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They might honestly want it for a museum themselves. The Connie-Bs were fighting cruisers, direct response to the Jaldun, mainstays of the GBZ battles. More than one went into action alongside the Amarki.
 
anon_user said:
They don't want to build Rennies, their yards are kinda full, they respect the ConnieBees for their service in the GBZ, and they would like some cruisers available right away (even if they're going to retire them in not too many years).
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OneirosTheWriter said:
It will take some time for the 1.8mt cruiser replacement they are designing to come on-line in numbers, and bolstering the fleet with some quick, cheap extra ships wouldn't go amiss.
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Also, I strongly suspect that "increase crew recruitment" is a cheaper action for the Amarki navy than for, say, the Betazoids- easier for them to get talented members of their society to sign on and join a martial astronaut corps because it is inherently one of the most prestigious roles a person can aspire to in their society. They may worry less about "but where are we going to find 11 units of crew to waste on a relatively obsolete ship" than most, as long as the ship in question performs well enough in action to keep those 11 units of crew alive.

For that matter, as I speculated with the Ked Peddah, the Amarki may be planning to keep the Connies relatively 'close to their vest' and hold them in reserve in Amarki space as event responders and tools for familiarizing Amarki spacers with Starfleet technology, while the ships designed to fight according to their own unique tactical doctrines are off participating in task force wars and whatnot.

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I mean seriously, that is VERY common for ships whose equipment is obsolete but which are still functional and have lots of 'mileage' left before they start to fall apart. They are frequently designated as training ships, because they have all the panoply of real stuff you'd need a sailor to be familiar with (including cannons, high-tech engines, and so on).
 
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Simon_Jester said:
Also, I strongly suspect that "increase crew recruitment" is a cheaper action for the Amarki navy than for, say, the Betazoids- easier for them to get talented members of their society to sign on and join a martial astronaut corps because it is inherently one of the most prestigious roles a person can aspire to in their society. They may worry less about "but where are we going to find 11 units of crew to waste on a relatively obsolete ship" than most, as long as the ship in question performs well enough in action to keep those 11 units of crew alive.

For that matter, as I speculated with the Ked Peddah, the Amarki may be planning to keep the Connies relatively 'close to their vest' and hold them in reserve in Amarki space as event responders and tools for familiarizing Amarki spacers with Starfleet technology, while the ships designed to fight according to their own unique tactical doctrines are off participating in task force wars and whatnot.

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I mean seriously, that is VERY common for ships whose equipment is obsolete but which are still functional and have lots of 'mileage' left before they start to fall apart. They are frequently designated as training ships, because they have all the panoply of real stuff you'd need a sailor to be familiar with (including cannons, high-tech engines, and so on).
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Both the Amarki and the Magen Chalal have crew reserves in the 30/30/30 range.
 
chriswriter90 said:
Nice to see that witten down somewhere. The Ashidi don't have a Fleet Page, or a Nation Page, or even a Species Page.
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I got those numbers by comparing the total stats listed for their fleet in the MWCD to the ship designs on the wiki and doing the math with those numbers.
It is more then we know about other affiliates like the trill, all we know about then is that they asked the SDB for a design for a Excelsior explorer so they can afford to build ships in that range.
 
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The Tally for the MWCD vote:

Total votes is 43 so all connie options with more then 21 votes are in:
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Tauni Space Gate Command (-3 pp, +5 relations with Tauni)
[X][CONNIE] Transfer two to the Magen Chalal of the Ked Paddah
[X][CONNIE] Transfer two to the Confederacy of Amarkia Navy
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Yrillian navy (-5 pp, +8 relations with Yrillia)
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Preservation Coalition Space Bureau of the OSA (-10 pp, +16 relations with Outer Space Alliance)
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Orion Union Navy. Will require temporary transfer of 3.5 points of Technician crew, to come from federalized member fleets. (-2 pp to set up the transfer program)

the other winning votes are:
[X][MAIDEN] Build a new cruiser around Maiden of Dawn's computer for the Orion Union Navy. (-100 rp, -35 br, -25 sr, Orion Union Navy gains a new custom cruiser (statline C3 S5 H2 L3 P3 D4, crew cost 2/3/3) in 2327.Q1), Maiden of Dawn acts as new research colony while operational (base of 5 rp/year)
[X][BEE] Do not support the conversion program
[X][LAIO] Provide technical support in adapting the OSA's Ray-class design to Laian needs and capabilities. (-50 rp each year for two years; -20 pp to reserve Honiani 4mt berth in 2326.Q1 for construction of the new Odanner; gain intelligence report on the Ray; Laio will build a 2mt berth at Laian starting in 2326.Q1)
[X][RELIEF] Approve the program (-200 rp, +40 pp)
[X][OCTO] Arrange for the transfer of two Tech-Frigates to the Vermillion Connectivity (-10 rp to ensure the safety of the Tech-Frigates' warp cores, +5 on [Obsolete Technology] tag on Vermillion Connectivity)
[X][TOL] Train with Special Projects (Caldonian spec ops teams will have C6 S5 H4 P2 N8)
[X][PRIORITY] Star-Kin long-term to Refits / Replacements
[X][PRIORITY] Indorian short-term to Build Renaissance-A (next year).
[X][PRIORITY] Anyone interested in some Starfleet BR for your SR?
Adhoc vote count started by sunrise on Jul 11, 2018 at 4:00 AM, finished with 194 posts and 49 votes.
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EOY had us at:
PP: 593
RP: 743.5

We spend 13 PP on shipyards
120 pp on ships during deployment
Attachments = 181pp, 68rp
360RP during MWCD
40PP was both spend and earned during the MWCD
Leaving us: 279PP and 315,5RP
 
Jesus. "Don't buy all the RP options," we said... and look what you all did.
 
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