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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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That was my initial vote; I've waffled back and forth. My latest vote is in a more recent post.
So I've been thinking about this carefully, and I might have to agree with SWB about taking the Basilica of Lakhept off Righteous and putting it in Beyond instead.
The trouble is, this is supposed to be a covert mission, at least at first. At least, it would be nice if the Cardassians didn't know what we were planning before Righteous even arrives at the Allupii. We can't exactly make a squadron of Excelsiors disappear, but if they vanish on some mission Starfleet owes no one except the President answers on where they went.
But the Basilica of Lakhept is near an object of worship. Sure the Honiani will let the Federation borrow it, but they're going to want to know where it is. Even if they manage to keep the general population out of it, too many people in the government will demand to be told, and it will leak-leak-leak to the Obsidian Order. (I'm not worried about the Apiata; the bees can keep their mouth shut and it's only one light queenship out of many.)
Can someone reassure me I'm wrong, or do I need to switch it out for an Excelsior?
@Steven Kodaly I know you specifically wanted to send the Basilica out there.
The trouble is, this is supposed to be a covert mission, at least at first. At least, it would be nice if the Cardassians didn't know what we were planning before Righteous even arrives at the Allupii. We can't exactly make a squadron of Excelsiors disappear, but if they vanish on some mission Starfleet owes no one except the President answers on where they went.
But the Basilica of Lakhept is near an object of worship. Sure the Honiani will let the Federation borrow it, but they're going to want to know where it is. Even if they manage to keep the general population out of it, too many people in the government will demand to be told, and it will leak-leak-leak to the Obsidian Order. (I'm not worried about the Apiata; the bees can keep their mouth shut and it's only one light queenship out of many.)
Can someone reassure me I'm wrong, or do I need to switch it out for an Excelsior?
@Steven Kodaly I know you specifically wanted to send the Basilica out there.
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Eh, I'll live either way. Besides, your plan starts working on the Hishmeri sooner.
It's not just affiliation on the Dreamers, it's getting that tag resolved before the Breen wake up and go "right, now about those whale things". There are 615 points of push we need, and that's not going to happen with just a diplomatic push.
We WILL regret it if we don't get this done in time. It typically only takes a polity a year, maybe two, to get out of a period of consolidation.
I consider this as crucial to the well-being of friendly sapients as any other task force we have. In many ways, more critical.
We WILL regret it if we don't get this done in time. It typically only takes a polity a year, maybe two, to get out of a period of consolidation.
I consider this as crucial to the well-being of friendly sapients as any other task force we have. In many ways, more critical.
Actually, the base deployment used completely different ships of the same type at first (well, the same insofar as it was based off of last year's) and I deliberately modified it to be similar so that the plans could more easily be compared.
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How about shuffling the Lakhept into Royal instead? The Gorn have a thing for big ships and other forms of overcompensation if I remember correctly, so it would be pretty fitting.
Putting Keplers in garrison was the plan when we built them. Mutual support response makes Keplers in border zones rather strong, and we're eventually going to put the internally too. Stealing them for task forces is fine if we have more than we need for garrison, but they are literally built for this. Lacking at least one per BZ is a major flaw of any deployment we produce.
Fixed the Rigel error, it was going to refit in an earlier version of Shipbuild. I don't miss any of the other things you claim I miss, because I developed the core sector deployment on formula.
Also it's one Rennaisance per theatre fleet, and the theatre fleets form a reserve which we were sorely missing this year, and we've seen that theatre fleet ships it DO respond to a crucial events we otherwise miss.
Outright false. If Sol was ever busy, it's slowed down, it received two 0 event quarters in 2322, its average was 1.375 events per quarter over the last two years.
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Wouldn't we have to promote Leaniss to Rear Admiral at that point? Maybe that's intentional
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Thinking about it more, SWB makes a convincing argument about the Dreamers. Plus I need to add the other votes.
[X][EC] Assign Courageous
[X][ODY] Withdraw from Explorer Corps
[X] [SQUAD] 2324 Major World, Theatre Reserve, and Kepler Outward Deployment
[X][TASK] Plan Dream Big
[X][EC] Assign Courageous
[X][ODY] Withdraw from Explorer Corps
[X] [SQUAD] 2324 Major World, Theatre Reserve, and Kepler Outward Deployment
[X][TASK] Plan Dream Big
What I tried to convey with "Shuffling" is that we exchange the Lakhept with some other explorer to then send that one to the Allupii.
Why in the world should the Breen do anything at all to the whale things? Why do the whale things need to be Federation members for them to be "safe"?
You act like the Breen are whale hunters or something. There has never been the slightest indication that they have any interest in the Dreamers. The Dreamers chased off some of their ships, without firing any weapons or damaging those ships in any way. I doubt they're howling for vengeance.
This Breen shit is nothing but blatant fear-mongering. There is zero intelligence, none, squat, that the Breen would do anything to them. If anything, it's the Bolians who are far more likely to be targets of Breen expansionism. Why aren't you advocating hard for us to work on affiliating Bolians?
In fact, let's look at this logically. If the Breen cause trouble for the Dreamers, the Dreamers can FLY AWAY and migrate to a more friendly territory. They're less vulnerable to the Breen than any other local polity.
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The Dreamer task force is 99+% exploration fun. As someone who voted for it, I freely admit it. I want more stores about our favorite space whales.
I think having the task force out there is a good reminder that we do science, exploration, and things besides political and military optimization too, and not just with the explorer ships.
I think having the task force out there is a good reminder that we do science, exploration, and things besides political and military optimization too, and not just with the explorer ships.
It's directly in the task force requirement... I don't have to make it up, because the GMs did.
You know they copy and paste this stuff from year to year, right? That text is two years old. When the Breen had just attacked and there was uncertainty about what direction things would go, it made sense. Who knew if maybe the Federation would be drawn in and sour perceived allies the Dreamers would be targeted? A TF might have suddenly had to play defense.
But that time has passed. The situation resolved with the Federation as the negotiators of peace. There's zero gain for the Breen in attacking the Dreamers now. Any damage they took in doing so would be pure loss.
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@Briefvoice I must have missed it but why are you calling up 4 cargo ships?
That's just how the 'calling up member ships' thing works. 4 cargo ships = 32 pts of member ship.
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Do we need to send a TF to the Ashidi? 51 points is well within the range of what a diplopush will give for an affiliate.
Doesn't it kind if belong there thematically? The Honiani are right in the area, and now that they've joined they can use their huge P score to help advocate for the supergovernment that they're now full members of. Sending the Lakhept across tthe quadrant when there's a still-high priority mission that could use its abilities right next door seems kinda silly and unfitting to me.
515. And it will take years regardless of what we do, but at least with them so close to affiliation, diplopushes will have a significant effect.
I seriously disagree with you here. That's just variance due to randomness. Sol sector is still more likely to recieve events, it just had a year with an abnormally low amount of events just like the Tellar had a bunch of failed events in a relatively short period of time.
Please don't accuse people like this.
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I'm sticking with BV in this case, mainly due to our first attempt at clearing a Slavery tag, plain and simple.
Edit: Plus, the Breen are in seclusion. I'd expect that to mean a minimum of a year of breathing room.
Edit: Plus, the Breen are in seclusion. I'd expect that to mean a minimum of a year of breathing room.
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We've gotten alerts from SFI that the Obsidian Order is up to something-it's possible we'll reveal a hidden tag or similar, hence the Intel attachments. If resolved, they'll go back into Theatre reserves.
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Two pushes average to ~300, so it would be fairly easy to shift Goodfoot over in 25 and clear the tag in a year's time. They should clear the Ur'azzi with plenty to spare as-is.
Per @OneirosTheWriter a small TF is recommended with Intel support to deal with Obsidian Order shenanigans. I smell hidden tag, or at least they're going to contest the last few points of Cardassian Threat.
You're right and I apologize. I see where this is going from, but I think it's over-learning the Chrystovian lesson. We stayed away from affiliating the Chrystovians because we feared we could defend them. But we can affiliate the Dreamers with a diplomatic push and then we definitely have the capability and willingness to defend them if the Breen should ever make it necessary.
(snaps fingers)
You know what, that's my compromise! Instead of having Reassure disband itself if it completes the Ashidi, I'll have it move over to the Dreamers.
I'd be all over plan space whale except we just had like 20 pages of argument over containing Cardassia and it was supposed to be the year of Fuck Cardassians. And then as soon as deployment comes it seems like a lot of people forgot about it. Like come on guys.
The text of other task forces gets edited year to year. If the need to protect from the Breen was gone, it would have been removed. Fact is that our people IC think this is real, and we better take that information seriously. The consequences of not acting are incredibly severe.
Once again I'll throw back to what I said in the week before the Chrystovian crisis: not acting on something we know is a problem means it goes to its natural conclusion, almost always against our interests. We get maybe 2 years to act against any problem before they start to grow. Now is the time to get going with the Dreamers, or we won't have time in the future.
Okay, Reassure is now assigned to proceed on to the Dreamers if it finishes the Ashidi. It's not perfectly optimized for the mission, but I think it's "good enough" to start since I switched in the Kepler from Goodfoot. Science 3/3/3/5/4/7 and Presence 4/4/4/5/5 should be able to make some decent progress this year, and we can reshuffle next year to continue.
Iron Wolf just indicated in chat that SFI and FDS are "going through burger wrappers the Breen have left in the garbage" to figure out the Breen's foreign policy and have no real idea what they might or might not do... meaning we have to fall back on logic.
By the way, what would the incredibly severe consequences be of not acting? I do want to protect the Dreamers and I'd hate for them to get hurt, but it's hardly a Chystovian situation where the Breen are going to roll over them and conquer the planet they don't have. What's the actual worse case scenario here and how would the Dreamers being Allies or Members rather than affiliates avert it?