Well there would be a high chance of Ittick-ka siding with us than Cardassians since they and Gorn would split Ittick-ka space in half.
I really wish we have a TF for Ittick-ka sigh, with luck the Cardassians would be courting them soon.
Or, a joint Ashalla Pact / Gorn alliance conquers the Ittick-Ka while we're busy putting out fires with the Breen and the OSA, and split the spoils/territory between them. We can't assume that the other powers are incompetent at long term planning.
Yank the Stalwart and the Dryad. Boldly is still better off because they traded a Miranda for a tech-cruiser. We may have to pull Kepler for the Breen as the TF specifically requests her or T'mir.
I don't see any choice to be made wrt the Gorn except pulling more ships. We have to grab them quickly because the fucking Imelak are coming and those bastards are outteching us at every turn.
One thing we could do is send a not huge task force to the Gorn, then substantially reinforce it next year when federalization hits. We could get our foot in the door ahead of or alongside of the Cardassian task force, then start really pushing next year.
It would be better to send a large force right away, but I really, really do not think we can afford to do that without calling up more member world ships.
I bet we can pull the Excellcior from Sol sector and replace it with a cruiser or something. Maybe pull a Marinda from Ruby Eyes' Folly. Trade a cruiser for a Centaur in the Apinae sector. It would probably come back to bite us, bet we could even weaken our KBZ and RBZ forces since neither are realistically trying anything aimed at us any time soon. Beyond that, I'm not seeing much slack that won't lead to another "Starfleet doesn't care about Tellerites" scenario.
Drawing down border zone forces means having less ships on call to assist interior zone squadrons in event response, and tends to create more "doesn't care about Tellarites" scenarios.
Swapping explorers for cruisers or cruisers for frigates helps a bit, but by and large there's no reason to bother except specifically to call up a good ship to act as a flagship for a task force. What are you proposing all this in aid of? What's the goal or purpose?
If I'd known that I would've voted for Early Mobilization last turn with all three of my votes because the OSA war and Breen invasion together is a State of Emergency situation.
[Stop the Coreward Border War]
- The OSA, the Licori, and the Laio are on the brink of war. The FDS is doing everything in its power to stop the war, but they need our help.
-Mission: Resolve [Corps are Lying to Us 0/100] tag on OSA, [On the Brink of War N/A] tags on OSA, Licori and Laio.
-Free FDS Diplomatic Team attachment - no upfront or maintenance costs for this team for the duration of this mission
-Ships assigned to this Mission will require a high presence score to support FDS efforts. Do note that this is expected to be a particularly difficult mission.
Its probably SoE worthy if war actually kicks off or we find convincing proof the HoH is behind it all, but Dev and Pacifists are almost certainly screaming bloody murder at the thought of having to go to SoE period without clear and pressing danger.
Explorer Corps Assignment (pick one) - Enterprise and Ambassador are not available for assignment; Atuin or Voshov would not be available until Q2. Odyssey will be missing another year of her FYM, -15pp if chosen.
[ ][EC] Investigate a diplomatic back-channel with the Breen
[ ][EC] Assign a vessel to Task Force Beyond
[ ][EC] Assign a vessel to support attempts to stop the Coreward Border War between the Licori, Laio, and OSA.
Opportunity assignment:
[ ][OPPO] Continue as Explorer Corps Ship
[ ][OPPO] Withdraw from Explorer Corps
A thought on this option... If we keep Opportunity in the EC, we also have the option to pick a specialized captain for the Coreward Border War task force. It will cost 15 pp though.
Otherwise, Odyssey is the only EC ship available for the full year. (E: and costs 15 pp)
A thought on this option... If we keep Opportunity in the EC, we also have the option to pick a specialized captain for the Coreward Border War task force. It will cost 15 pp though.
Otherwise, Odyssey is the only EC ship available for the full year.
One thing we could do is send a not huge task force to the Gorn, then substantially reinforce it next year when federalization hits. We could get our foot in the door ahead of or alongside of the Cardassian task force, then start really pushing next year.
It would be better to send a large force right away, but I really, really do not think we can afford to do that without calling up more member world ships.
I'm not sure if that's a good idea in this case since we know it the Gorn TF may be rolling against an opposed TF from the Cardassians, and we do know from the HoH TF that failing rolls against opposed TF's will mean negative progress. In that respect, if we can't send enough ships to oppose the Cardassian fleet, then it would be safer not to send a TF at all.
Drawing down border zone forces means having less ships on call to assist interior zone squadrons in event response, and tends to create more "doesn't care about Tellarites" scenarios.
Swapping explorers for cruisers or cruisers for frigates helps a bit, but by and large there's no reason to bother except specifically to call up a good ship to act as a flagship for a task force. What are you proposing all this in aid of? What's the goal or purpose?
Point on the event response angle, but if that's the main reason to keep those two strong right now, maybe we can pull the Miranda and the Oberth since they certainly aren't successfully supporting any interior zones. As for the other bit, this wasn't being proposed as a modification to any plan in particular so much as sharing some thoughts on where we may be able to scrounge up more and better ships to shuffle things around until we can somehow do most of what we desperately need to. If we can replace a frigate with a cruiser in a task force and thereby bump up stat totals, the task force is now a bit more effective without actually finding any more ships. Simple as that.
I'm not sure if that's a good idea in this case since we know it the Gorn TF may be rolling against an opposed TF from the Cardassians, and we do know from the HoH TF that failing rolls against opposed TF's will mean negative progress. In that respect, if we can't send enough ships to oppose the Cardassian fleet, then it would be safer not to send a TF at all than to make negative progress.
Um... won't the Cardassians probably make even more progress by default in our complete absence than they would while making (admittedly winning) opposed rolls against our small task force?
I mean, unopposed task forces can chew through tags pretty fast, right? If the Cardassians have an unopposed task force, they're going to be building up a tag for us to overcome with corresponding speed.
If I'd known that I would've voted for Early Mobilization last turn with all three of my votes because the OSA war and Breen invasion together is a State of Emergency situation.
Out of curiosity, why doesn't this qualify for a State of Emergency?
Point on the event response angle, but if that's the main reason to keep those two strong right now, maybe we can pull the Miranda and the Oberth since they certainly aren't successfully supporting any interior zones.
The Mirandas can be pulled from border zones, but they don't add much to a task force because they have S2P1. Unless the task force's primary mission is to fight, or the Miranda in question is Blooded, they don't provide much benefit and don't do much for the strength of the task force.
As for the other bit, this wasn't being proposed as a modification to any plan in particular so much as sharing some thoughts on where we may be able to scrounge up more and better ships to shuffle things around until we can somehow do most of what we desperately need to. If we can replace a frigate with a cruiser in a task force and thereby bump up stat totals, the task force is now a bit more effective without actually finding any more ships. Simple as that.
Well yes, but then we're short a frigate somewhere. I mean, you're not wrong, but we're sort of already doing this. Every ship that goes into a task force makes a hole somewhere, so the question "where do we make holes" still applies.
[X][EC] Assign a vessel to support attempts to stop the Coreward Border War between the Licori, Laio, and OSA.
[X][OPPO] Continue as Explorer Corps Ship
At the very least we want Task Forces for stopping the border war and protecting/interacting with the Dreamers. I don't want to see them hunted down by the Breen for saving the Courageous. If we somehow have ships to spare, a Gorn task force would be my next pick.
[X][EC] Assign a vessel to support attempts to stop the Coreward Border War between the Licori, Laio, and OSA.
[X][OPPO] Continue as Explorer Corps Ship
At the very least we want Task Forces for stopping the border war and protecting/interacting with the Dreamers. I don't want to see them hunted down by the Breen for saving the Courageous. If we somehow have ships to spare, a Gorn task force would be my next pick.
I think we're supposed to also pick the ship for the first vote option? Eg.
[][EC] Assign a vessel to support attempts to stop the Coreward Border War between the Licori, Laio, and OSA. - USS Opportunity
[][OPPO] Continue as Explorer Corps Ship
All of this is really making me want to spend the extra 40pp up front for yet another tranche of member world ships to support operations.
My current plan doesn't actually draw much from TF Beyond, so hopefully we'll be able to weather the reinforced Horizon force without too much trouble. But the price of that is that we have nothing to spare for the Gorn, and I have no idea where to get the strength for that from without gutting TF Unity and abandoning hope of preventing the Licori-Alliance War.
At the very least we want Task Forces for stopping the border war and protecting/interacting with the Dreamers. I don't want to see them hunted down by the Breen for saving the Courageous. If we somehow have ships to spare, a Gorn task force would be my next pick.
The Gorn are already being wooed by the Cardassians, who have taken advantage of our failure to allocate a task force. The Gorn aligning with the Ashalla Pact together are a significant long-term threat to the Federation.
We should consider decommissioning Opportunity. Having another Excelsior-A to allocate to the task forces would be very useful-and Opportunity is unlikely to survive long as a Green Excelsior-A in the explorer corps, not with the rising event DCs.
I'm not sure we can thread this needle. We may need to pick a place to lose, and do so on our own terms. All else being equal, I'd rather lose in a way that hurts us as little as possible and leaves our enemies, taken together, no better off. With that in mind, if we can't find a plan that somehow does what we need, maybe we could reduce the scope of a Gorn task force to countering Ashalla pact diplomancy attempts (letting the Gorn deal with a bunch of slavery tags for us by defeating the Ittick-ka in that imminent war), pull back from protecting the Trill, minimize commitments in the Breen war for now, and if we are still coming up short let the Harmony take the OSA and thus bog themselves down with integration/brainwashing and be less trouble elsewhere for a while.
[X] [FLEET] Call up 24 points of ships (100 pp, call up three cargo ships)
Maintain following pp cost TF attachments (13pp):
Starfleet Tactical Brass: 0pp per year. Enables coordination events with other powers – 0pp [BEYOND]
Molchenek-Danashad Consulting: 3 pp per year. Effect: +1 to the first diplomatic roll involving a capitalist society each quarter – 3pp [BEYOND]
Lt. Sadd-Har's Cadet Field Training Team: 3 pp per year. Effect: Increased experience gain for missions involving S rolls. - 3pp [BOLDLY]
Ambassador Sarek: 5 pp per year. Effect: Reroll the first failed diplomatic roll each quarter; add +1 to the reroll. - 5pp [UNITY]
FDS Diplomatic Team. Cost: 5pp per year. Effect: Reroll first failed Diplomatic Roll each quarter – 5pp [FORWARD]
Langa Mbeki: 5 pp per year. Effect: +2 to the lowest diplomatic roll each quarter - 5pp [ROYAL]
Maintain the following rp cost attachments (50 rp)
Yoyodyne Research Team: 10 rp per year. Enables reroll on first failed D-Test each quarter. – 10 rp [FORWARD]
Tellar Prime Academy of Mineral Science Team: 10 rp per year. Effect: +5BR or +5SR on the first resource gain each quarter – 10 rp [BOLDLY]
Henn-Makad Mineral Engineering Institute Team: 10 rp per year. Effect: +2 on the first mapping roll each quarter. - 10 rp [BOLDLY]
Igata Nikelda: 10 rp per year. Effect: Increased chance of finding resource colony sites. - 10rp [BOLDLY]
Maintain the following BR cost attachment (10br)
Sam Jones: 10 br per year. Effect: Gain both sr & relations on trade summit missions for this task force. [BEYOND]
Discontinue following TF attachment:
Starfleet Intelligence Analysis Team: 5pp per year. Effect: 25% chance of a free Intelligence Report related to the Task Force's Mission each year. - 5pp [FORWARD]
New pp cost attachment purchases (18pp):
Ambassador Nikael Dalera: 8 pp on purchase, 5 pp per year. Effect: Double progress on the first passed Diplomatic event each quarter. = 8pp [UNITY]
Rixx Scrutineers: 5pp on Purchase, 5pp per year. Effect: Re-Roll Presence Tests during criminal investigations. = 5pp [UNITY]
New rp cost attachment purchases (100 rp):
Vulcan Science Academy Science Team. Cost: 10 rp on Purchase, 5 rp per year. Effect: Reroll first failed Science test involving an anomaly per quarter. [BOLDLY]
Hallad-Wel Institute Computing Team: 10 rp on purchase, 8 rp per year. Effect: Reroll the first failed Science test of this task force each quarter, but at -1 to the roll. [BREEN]
Pallas-Abat Institute Ship Design Team: 20 rp on purchase, 10 rp per year. Effect: Ships in this task force get +1 to shield and hull checks to resist damage. [FORWARD]
Harbind-Attu Institute Research Team: 40 rp on purchase, 20 rp per year. Effect: Receive a bonus to a technology related to the Task Force's activities each year. [BEYOND]
Kedaia Naar Institute Doctrine Team: 20 rp on purchase, 10 rp per year. Effect: +1 to the first space combat roll each quarter. [FORWARD]
Total pp cost of Task Force Deployment = 134pp, 150 rp, 10br
[X] [TASK] Task Force: Beyond
Mission: Mission: Remove Horizon Influence from Licori, Felis, and from OSA.
Commander: Min-Jee Lee - +1 P on flagship [Promote to Rear Admiral - she has enough time in rank] Attachments:
Free FDS Diplomatic Team attachment
Starfleet Tactical Brass: 0pp per year. Enables coordination events with other powers
Molchenek-Danashad: 3 pp per year. Effect: +1 to the first diplomatic roll involving a capitalist society each quarter
Sam Jones: 10 br on purchase, 10 br per year. Effect: Gain both sr & relations on trade summit missions for this task force. NEW Harbind-Attu Institute Research Team: 40 rp on purchase, 20 rp per year. Effect: Receive a bonus to a technology related to the Task Force's activities each year.
Notes: Drop to 15 ships. Several of the cruisers have been switched out for Centaur-Bs.
[X] [TASK] Task Force: Boldly
-Mission [Explore the Adazzi Gulf]
-Straak - +15 BR/SR on the first resource gain of each quarter
-Attachments:
All Pyllix Geological Institute Team. Cost: Free.
Lt. Sadd-Har's Cadet Field Training Team: 3 pp per year. Effect: Increased experience gain for missions involving S rolls.
Tellar Prime Academy of Mineral Science Team: 10 rp per year. Effect: +5BR or +5SR on the first resource gain each quarter
Henn-Makad Mineral Engineering Institute Team: 10 rp per year. Effect: +2 on the first mapping roll each quarter.
Igata Nikelda: 10 rp per year. Effect: Increased chance of finding resource colony sites.
Vulcan Science Academy Science Team. Cost: 10 rp on Purchase, 5 rp per year. Effect: Reroll first failed Science test involving an anomaly per quarter. [BOLDLY]
Notes: Added Gaeni ship as reinforcements. TF is now 6 ships strong.
[X] [TASK] Task Force: Forward
-Mission: [Discourage attacks on the Trill]
-Pavel Chekov - Nullifies the first 2pts of crew casualties per year, reroll the first failed Away Team Combat each year
-Attachments:
FDS Diplomatic Team. Cost: 5pp on Purchase, 5pp per year. Effect: Reroll first failed Diplomatic Roll each quarter; NEW Yoyodyne Research Team: 10 rp per year. Enables reroll on first failed D-Test each quarter. NEW Pallas-Abat Institute Ship Design Team: 20 rp on purchase, 10 rp per year. Effect: Ships in this task force get +1 to shield and hull checks to resist damage. [FORWARD] NEW Kedaia Naar Institute Doctrine Team: 20 rp on purchase, 10 rp per year. Effect: +1 to the first space combat roll each quarter. [FORWARD] REMOVED Starfleet Intelligence field team.
-2323.Q1Ships:
Explorers: 1 Excelsior-A (6) [Thirishar (B)]
Cruisers: STO Audacious [Serene], 2 STO Constrictors, NEW 1 Renaissance [Torch (pa)]
[X] [TASK] Task Force: Royal (the Gorn Task Force)
-Mission: Resolve [Great Power Ambitions: 75/300] and [Distant Stars: 0/100] tags on Gorn. If a [Cardassian Influence: 0/100] tag emerges, resolve that tag as well.
-Commander: Leaniss Larai - May add one additional member fleet frigate to this task force, separate from other ships called up [adds Amarkian Centaur-B]
-Attachments:
Free FDS Diplomatic Team attachment. Effect: Reroll first failed Diplomatic Roll each quarter
Langa Mbeki: 5 pp on purchase, 5 pp per year. Effect: +2 to the lowest diplomatic roll each quarter
Notes: TF is 7 ships strong, growing to 9 with the arrival of reinforcements in Q2
[X] [TASK] Task Force: Unity (Stop coreward war.)
-Mission: Mission: Resolve [Corps are Lying to Us 0/100] tag on OSA, [On the Brink of War N/A] tags on OSA, Licori and Laio.
-Commander: Rear Admiral Michel Thuir - Reroll first event failure each quarter
-Attachments:
Free FDS Diplomatic Team attachment. Effect: Reroll first failed Diplomatic Roll each quarter;
Ambassador Sarek: 5 pp per year. Effect: Reroll the first failed diplomatic roll each quarter; add +1 to the reroll. - 5pp [UNITY]
Ambassador Nikael Dalera: 8 pp on purchase, 5 pp per year. Effect: Double progress on the first passed Diplomatic event each quarter. = 8pp [UNITY]
Rixx Scrutineers: 5pp on Purchase, 5pp per year. Effect: Re-Roll Presence Tests during criminal investigations. [UNITY]
2323.Q1Ships:
Explorers: 3 or 4 Starfleet Excelsior-As: [Rru'adorr (B), Pleezirra (B), Lakota] + Opportunity if it is out of the EC
Cruisers: 1 Orion Nelhiar Savings & Loan Enforcer Cruisers [Nelhiar's Honor], 1 Little Queenship
Frigates: 1 Vulcan Centaur-B, 4 Betazoid Centaur-B, 1 Caldonian Centaur-B, 1 Andorian Centaur-B, 1 Starfleet Centaur-B [Zephyr (B)], 3 Molhane Patrol Escorts, 2 Stingers, and in Q2 add 1 Starfleet Centaur-B [Gale (B)
Notes: 18 (or 19) Ships, then +1 in Q2.
[X][BREEN] Breen Task Force (Briefvoice)
Mission: To carry out the opening stages of the reconnaissance response to the Breen, including monitoring the movements of their warfleet, reinforcements from the Breen core worlds, and communications surveillance, a separate task force is required.
Commander: Diego Zaardmani - +1S on Flagship, Re-roll first failed Science check each year
Attachments: Hallad-Wel Institute Computing Team: 10 rp on purchase, 8 rp per year. Effect: Reroll the first failed Science test of this task force each quarter, but at -1 to the roll.
2323.Q1 Ships:
Cruisers: 1 Starfleet Constellation-A [Stalwart (B)], 1 Gaeni Tech-Cruiser-A
Frigates: 2 Starfleet Oberths [Inspire, T'Mir (V)], 1 Starfleet Centaur-B [Yukikaze (B)]
SFI Ships: SS Rocinante, SFI Ship, Capable of Signal Intercepts, SS Winter, SFI Ship, Capable of Signal Intercepts
Again, what do people think about committing another 40pp to pull up some more member world ships? It'd be a big investment, but might give us enough flexibility to deal with all our must-dos (get to work with the Gorn before the Cardassians or at least alongside with them, continue contesting Harmony influence, and somehow try to prevent the OSA war)
I'm not sure we can thread this needle. We may need to pick a place to lose, and do so on our own terms. All else being equal, I'd rather lose in a way that hurts us as little as possible and leaves our enemies, taken together, no better off. With that in mind, if we can't find a plan that somehow does what we need, maybe we could reduce the scope of a Gorn task force to countering Ashalla pact diplomancy attempts (letting the Gorn deal with a bunch of slavery tags for us by defeating the Ittick-ka in that imminent war), pull back from protecting the Trill, minimize commitments in the Breen war for now, and if we are still coming up short let the Harmony take the OSA and thus bog themselves down with integration/brainwashing and be less trouble elsewhere for a while.
My plan already minimizes commitments to the Breen and makes no allowance for the Gorn. I'm actually troubled by this and am hoping to draw on a few more ships.
At the very least we want Task Forces for stopping the border war and protecting/interacting with the Dreamers. I don't want to see them hunted down by the Breen for saving the Courageous. If we somehow have ships to spare, a Gorn task force would be my next pick.
Do you consider having a task force work to protect the Dreamers this year more important than having a task force to oppose the Cardassians' efforts to affili
Okay, we should have a task force for the Ittick-ka at the expense of what? What are we now doing that is lower-priority and can be sacrificed towards that goal?
Its hard to tell but can we move some ships from the GBZ?
At the moment things there are quiet so a 2 or 3 ship TF, something to get our foot in.
Would like to reduce Garrison but I let you guys be the judge of that.
More member world ships are a must in this time. As for where we should lose I'm thinking just abandon Task Force Beyond's struggle against the Harmony in the straight diplo front and dedicate it to preventing the war. After all the war is being caused by the Harmony so if they get to the bottom of things we'll probably come out ahead.
Aside from that, Breen versus Gorn is plain hard, but I'm inclined to move the task force on the Trill to the Gorn because if the Gorn-Ittik-ka war happens the Trill will be stuck in it anyways. It'll still need more ships but it's something to start with.
In summary, jettison every task force that isn't essential, and add more ships.
Guess we aren't going to be able to do the Dreamer task force this year. I think it's definitely worth dumping all the PP this year on task forces outside the 5 diplopushes what with everything on fire again.
@Briefvoice, what's your justification for reinforcing Boldly and Forward? I would say if anything we should be weakening them, and certainly moving those diplo attachments from Forward to Peace or Royal.
I know people think we should be weakening task forces but this is what we need. Forest for the trees and all that, we need to keep pressure up on all fronts if doing so is feasible. We've know that Boldly needs a bit more oomph to keep the pressure on the Cardassians, and we were just told that the HoH is going to be reinforcing their TF opposing Beyond and also interfering in our peace efforts.
[7:11 PM] anon_user: forgot to mention this, and i think y'all probably could've guessed, but Harmony is expected to reinforce their TF [7:12 PM] Briefvoice: Of course they are. [7:12 PM] Briefvoice: I don't suppose they are going to pitch in on preventing the coreward war? [7:12 PM] Briefvoice: Work together with us and all that? [7:14 PM] lbmaian: .... more :fire: please /s [7:14 PM] anon_user: well, they put out an official communique to the effect that they're sending ships in to help smother the growing tensions.