Droman
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Most quests do one long thread, yeah. I used to split it up when I was actively QM'ing just for thematic evolution. Also because I started on forum before threadmarks existed and it was easier to split up up in periods.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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[X] Sigmar abandoned his most worthy follower in his hour of need.
Always wanted to play an order character who hated Sigmar.
Always wanted to play an order character who hated Sigmar.
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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I dislike switching threads. It's annoying, especially with the threadmark system.
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The thing is Van Hal was not Sigmars most worthy follower because at least when it came to piety because his score was 10. We have already decide to return to Wurtbad so I really do not see us leaving any time soon because we will be working with the rest of the Council to get the next Elector Count up to speed. Picking the damage that will put us at odds with the next Van Hal will not do us any favors and is making things. Plus you guys know that none of the Gods in Warhammer are all powerful, some times they are busy helping else where in the world and will miss requests for aide and other times they will not be able to help even if they want to help. Their is also the fact that Kasmir's mind set affected his chance of healing the count the second time which tells me that the strength of the faith of the person calling on the god is important. If I remmber correctly Mathilde has a similar piety score to the priest in the Council while Van Hal had one which is on the lower end of average meaning the his chances of getting thought to the Heldenhammer were low and the chances of the god helping him were low. There is a reason it takes a priest for the Gods to be able assist in more then minor ways because faith matters in Warhammer.
vsh If the "grudge against Empire" trait can manifest in multiple ways then so can the trait that says even hero can go down in the fog of war. The QM has said that this is going to be damage that will hurt so the more likely result of going with the damage related the to the empire as a hole is that we do not belive in the concept of the empire itself which is treasonous because their is nothing wrong with the empire as a whole at the moment. The Empire is not super centralized but a confederation of sovereign states and that is the point, Sylvania has been seen as Stirlands problem sense the end of the Third Vampire so the fact that we got as much support as we did for what was originally going to be a purge of of the hunted hills before the Dragon changed the plan from Talabecland, Ostermark and the Moot is a example of the empire working not failing. We go support from all but two of the groups we asked which is success and the fact that Averland was dealing with the remnants of an orc warrgh explains why they were busy. The current Grand Theogonist seems more worried about politics but we do not know we he is so worried about the dispute between Nordland and Middenland. Helping to stop the to Counties coming to blows my have been in his mind more important then a raid in to Sylvania considering the original plan.
Taking the damage related to Sigmar will probably poison any relationship we have or will have with any one who has faith in sigmar not just the members of the cult. This will mean or relationship with the next count will be no where close to the one we had with their father because he was mentioned as being a rare witch hunter when it came to his view point on wizards. Not having a good relationship with the count means that we will get a the least less leeway with them then we had under Abelhelm and will have to work hard to get them to be okay with our relationship with the thieves guild for example or when we ask for money or time for magical resarch when we are on the clock. We have a good relationship with Kasmir so I would like to keep it and considering he is beating himself up about what happened it would do Mathilde and him good to at least be able to talk with one anther.
vsh If the "grudge against Empire" trait can manifest in multiple ways then so can the trait that says even hero can go down in the fog of war. The QM has said that this is going to be damage that will hurt so the more likely result of going with the damage related the to the empire as a hole is that we do not belive in the concept of the empire itself which is treasonous because their is nothing wrong with the empire as a whole at the moment. The Empire is not super centralized but a confederation of sovereign states and that is the point, Sylvania has been seen as Stirlands problem sense the end of the Third Vampire so the fact that we got as much support as we did for what was originally going to be a purge of of the hunted hills before the Dragon changed the plan from Talabecland, Ostermark and the Moot is a example of the empire working not failing. We go support from all but two of the groups we asked which is success and the fact that Averland was dealing with the remnants of an orc warrgh explains why they were busy. The current Grand Theogonist seems more worried about politics but we do not know we he is so worried about the dispute between Nordland and Middenland. Helping to stop the to Counties coming to blows my have been in his mind more important then a raid in to Sylvania considering the original plan.
Taking the damage related to Sigmar will probably poison any relationship we have or will have with any one who has faith in sigmar not just the members of the cult. This will mean or relationship with the next count will be no where close to the one we had with their father because he was mentioned as being a rare witch hunter when it came to his view point on wizards. Not having a good relationship with the count means that we will get a the least less leeway with them then we had under Abelhelm and will have to work hard to get them to be okay with our relationship with the thieves guild for example or when we ask for money or time for magical resarch when we are on the clock. We have a good relationship with Kasmir so I would like to keep it and considering he is beating himself up about what happened it would do Mathilde and him good to at least be able to talk with one anther.
If the worth Sigmar finds in his champions is measured not in the deeds they do but in the praise and worship they heap upon said warp-born shadow-puppet then truly he deserves neither.
As far as I'm aware, SV's forum software starts to get a little hinky past 1000 pages.
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What about declaring ourself Regent until Van Hal's heir comes to take their rightful place? Not taking the position for ourself, but ensuring that Van Hal's heir doesn't get shafted out of what is theirs by right.
Would they still decide to invade or would they consider it a better idea to find and send Van Hal's heir to take the role?
Abelhelm Van Hal was a follower of sigmar who let his faith be undermined by politics. He was a worthy follower and if he had survived the campaign he would moved higher in the eyes of God and man because Sigmar values deeds as much as words. But to claim he was the most worthy follower when him and Kasmir are the only two offical members of the cult we know is going to far. A more worthy follower of sigmar would be some one like Luther Huss who saw the man who razed him and helped him become a priest of Sigmar before turning to chaos break before his unshakable faith in the Heldenhammer. The greatest champions of the empire have been those who have had their faith in man and god tested and come thought the flames stronger and more certain then they were before not less.
Our resident warrior priest is just as broken up about what happen as we are and the fact that he is some one who is willing not just to work with wizards like us but trust them is not something I want to lose. We should also not sabotage our relationship with Van Hal's kids before we even meet them because their is a very good chance one of them will be the next Elector Count. Also what I said before about Sigmar wanting to help but not all ways being able to stands so if we have a problem with any one it should be the current Grand Theogonist not random warrior priest #32.
Our resident warrior priest is just as broken up about what happen as we are and the fact that he is some one who is willing not just to work with wizards like us but trust them is not something I want to lose. We should also not sabotage our relationship with Van Hal's kids before we even meet them because their is a very good chance one of them will be the next Elector Count. Also what I said before about Sigmar wanting to help but not all ways being able to stands so if we have a problem with any one it should be the current Grand Theogonist not random warrior priest #32.
Anton is the acting regent. And if you declare yourself regent for an absent and, as far as anyone can tell, non-existent heir, that would buy you about a month longer than just seizing power outright.
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If I'm recalling our conversatons with Abelhelm correctly it was only his faith in the institution of the Sigmarite cult (and therefore what they said about Sigmar) that was damaged rather then his faith in Sigmar the god. Closer to protestantism then atheism.
Drucchi
Wasp Guy
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- Beneath the Bug Exhibit at the Zoological Museum
That sounds fun let's do that.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Anton is the regent, and unless he turns out to have actually been a mastermind he's also pretty squarely on our side; like, we're-like-a-little-sister on our side. No reason to upset the apple cart for more nominal power when we've already got basically unlimited political power for the time being.
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The distinction makes sense in a setting where the gods do not personally break atheists' windows by night. Not so much in warhammer.
Valkur
The True Valkyria, Valkur!
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- Fólkvangr
I'd still like to investigate his intrigue by the way. Man is too good to be dumb.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Eh? The point was that he wasn't an Atheist, he just didn't like the bureaucratic mess the cult was entangled in.
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- USA
Ah, what about Anton declaring that he won't step down as Regent until Van Hal's heir shows up? Would that buy more time?
And if that doesn't give like a year our two, how would we go about giving ourself enough time to do a thorough search for his heir?
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- Aotearoa
My current assumption is Wilhelmina (as Van Hal's most trusted long-term confidant) knows exactly where these heirs are, or at minimum how to contact them in the event of Van Hal's death. So it's a matter of getting them in before any opposing parties (if any) find out and take action, making succession/regency a fait accompli.
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Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Even if he turns out to be a diabolical mastermind, I still want him on our side.
When asked to fetch mercenaries, dude got a dragon. That's not something I wanna mess with.
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- Aotearoa
Presumably knowledge or at least rumours of Van Hal's death have reached Wurtbad by now, as news travels faster than a marching army(?)
It's Anton we are speaking about here! It's more "Time to wed the cheesemaster"
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Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
I mean, Anton was number two on the waifu-list. Third if we put Asarnil/Deathwing on their proper place.
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- Canada
Just binged through this quest over the course of a couple of days. Whoa nellie. That was a ride and a half. Van Hal's death... man. Talk about dramatic.
Fantastic writing, and a really good job rallying to salvage things after the dice conspired to kill the second most important character in the story. Not every writer has the guts to roll with that. (...what? Too soon?)
Lessons I like:
[X] Dwarves are the greatest ally of humanity.
I can see this one. They pulled through for Mathilde in every way, here. They built a bridge, they saved Van Hal's life (even if it was only temporary), Launy the Oath Appraiser was the biggest source of moral support we had after Van Hal's death, and they reduced Drakenhof (town AND castle) to expertly arranged piles of rubble. It makes perfect sense for the character of Mathilde, and I like that internal consistency.
Also... It might open up a future path to Rune Magic. And wouldn't THAT be fun!
[X] Magic used recklessly has catastrophic effects; great care must be taken in it's handling.
Miscasts, miscasts everywhere! Did anyone NOT get screwed over by magic? Oh, and there was that whole necromancers doing necromancy thing. Oh, and that snake. Those too.
[X] The best battle is one where the enemy never gets a strike in.
Blow em up and burn em down. Greatswording seemed like great fun until the consequences set in - that should be Plan B from now on.
[X] Magic is unreliable, gods are doubly so: always have a mundane solution.
I like this because it doesn't actually represent spite for magic and the gods, just an understanding that they, too, have limits to their power.
Damage I don't hate:
[X] Sigmar abandoned his most worthy follower in his hour of need.
Except for you, Sigmar. Screw you, buddy. Also, your Theogonist? SUCKS. Yeah, I said it. So there.
[X] The Colleges of Magic act in their own interest, rather than that of the Empire.
The only reason they came was for their own self-interest. And while the Amethysts were indeed helpful, they still wandered off during the Drakenhof battle.
Fantastic writing, and a really good job rallying to salvage things after the dice conspired to kill the second most important character in the story. Not every writer has the guts to roll with that. (...what? Too soon?)
Lessons I like:
[X] Dwarves are the greatest ally of humanity.
I can see this one. They pulled through for Mathilde in every way, here. They built a bridge, they saved Van Hal's life (even if it was only temporary), Launy the Oath Appraiser was the biggest source of moral support we had after Van Hal's death, and they reduced Drakenhof (town AND castle) to expertly arranged piles of rubble. It makes perfect sense for the character of Mathilde, and I like that internal consistency.
Also... It might open up a future path to Rune Magic. And wouldn't THAT be fun!
[X] Magic used recklessly has catastrophic effects; great care must be taken in it's handling.
Miscasts, miscasts everywhere! Did anyone NOT get screwed over by magic? Oh, and there was that whole necromancers doing necromancy thing. Oh, and that snake. Those too.
[X] The best battle is one where the enemy never gets a strike in.
Blow em up and burn em down. Greatswording seemed like great fun until the consequences set in - that should be Plan B from now on.
[X] Magic is unreliable, gods are doubly so: always have a mundane solution.
I like this because it doesn't actually represent spite for magic and the gods, just an understanding that they, too, have limits to their power.
Damage I don't hate:
[X] Sigmar abandoned his most worthy follower in his hour of need.
Except for you, Sigmar. Screw you, buddy. Also, your Theogonist? SUCKS. Yeah, I said it. So there.
[X] The Colleges of Magic act in their own interest, rather than that of the Empire.
The only reason they came was for their own self-interest. And while the Amethysts were indeed helpful, they still wandered off during the Drakenhof battle.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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- Anywhere but RL
Anton would be fourth if Elf and Dragon are in the proper place.
Still need to spend an action to check Anton for uncontrolled burst of evil laughter.
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- Reno
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[X] It's not a great hero who carries the day, but a lot of small men working in concert.
[X] I, personally, failed to protect Abelhelm.
[X] I, personally, failed to protect Abelhelm.
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- Aotearoa
I mean, when we checked him out last time (admittedly six-seven years ago) we did a pretty thorough job:
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