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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) Starfleet Ship Design Bureau, Refit ("To Boldly Go...")
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Indrik said:
[X][COUNCIL] Briefvoice 2322

Spending resources on a non-essential morale project (which is all the Argus Array amounts to for the next 4 years) while we're engaged in a diplomatic knife-fight is not a good idea. Let's at least try to practice good governance in fictional form.
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To be fair, we'll probably always or nearly always be doing something important, and Starfleet's scientific mission isn't inconsequential just because we also have military and diplomatic functions.

Nervos Belli said:
Given the Argus Array explicitly only grants a reroll in one theater of space, expecting it to help a situation in another galaxy is overly optimistic in my opinion. Still it's a cool project and I'd love to build one near the CBZ just to make the spoonies paranoid. Too many other things we need though and with all the member ships we have called up we don't have as much pp to throw around as in the past.
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Since the Argus telescope array is definitely a subspace instrument of unprecedented sensitivity, I would not be at all surprised if it is the only instrument capable of detecting an extra-galactic transmission. And might do so routinely, even if it's more likely to actually help in the context of stuff happening closer to it.

I mean, the Hubble Space Telescope did everything from observing the nearest stars to taking pictures of the farthest depths of the observable universe.
 
Simon_Jester said:
I mean, the Hubble Space Telescope did everything from observing the nearest stars to taking pictures of the farthest depths of the observable universe.
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The Hubble has even found other Habitable planets for us AFAIK as well as a bona fide Water World IIRC. And as the saying goes. Where there is water There is Life.
 
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Briefvoice said:
Come on, this is a good year to take care of some stuff that's been piling up for a while and that we should really get to.
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I want to make Personel a Vice Admiral position, yeah. But I question the usefulness of a listening post that we don't really need, and a 1mt berth when Federalization will give us many more. More FDS Task Force attachments might help eventually, but we had three of them this deployment vote. None of these three items are things that have been piling up, and together they cost 72pp. I'll trade them and the Vice Admiral position for the Argus, absolutely. I'm not enthused by it taking four years to build, but better to start it now than never.
Indrik said:
Spending resources on a non-essential morale project (which is all the Argus Array amounts to for the next 4 years) while we're engaged in a diplomatic knife-fight is not a good idea. Let's at least try to practice good governance in fictional form.
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We're still spending 100pp on our diplomatic pushes.
 
Updated my annotated snakepit list:
lbmaian said:
2322 snakepit options with annotated differences from 2320 snakepit (increased cost, decreased cost or good change, new or updated or removed, fixed):
  • NEW Request Mining Colony Sael II, 7pp, 20 (35) sr/yr, 4 turns
  • NEW Request Mining Colony Sigma Delphi, 7pp, 20 (30) br/yr, 4 turns
  • NEW Request Mining Colony Fr'rba IV, 7pp, 15 (25) br/yr, 4 turns
  • NEW Request Mining Colony Sarcissa Belt, 7pp, 15 (25) br/yr, 4 turns
  • NEW Request Research Colony Pure Intent Array, 6pp, 5 (8) rp/yr, 4 turns
  • NEW Request Research Colony Morgana-1321, 6pp, 5(8) rp/yr, 4 turns
  • Request Research Colony Ariya Minor, 6pp, 5 (8) rp/yr, 4 turns
  • NEW Request Research Colony HKP-426, 6pp, 7 (10) rp/yr, 4 turns
  • Request development of San Francisco Fleet Yards, 22pp (4 turns, gain new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
  • Request development of 40 Eridani A Shipyards, 26pp (4 turns, gain new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
  • Request development of Ana Font Shipyard, 26pp (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
  • Request development of Lor'Vela Orbital Construction Facility, 22pp (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
  • Request development of Oreasa Starfleet Yards, 22pp (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
  • Request development of Intazzi Shipyards, 26pp (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
  • Request development of Lasieth Craft Yards, 22pp (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
  • NEW Request development of Modern Engineering Orbital Works, 22pp (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
  • Request Ambassador berth at a shipyard, 42pp (6 turns, gain new 3m t berth) [+5 for every extra 3mt berth present at shipyard past the first]
  • +5pp Request Cruiser berth at Utopia Planitia, 31pp (6 turns, gain new 2m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
  • Request development of Utopia Planitia, 38pp, (4 turns, gain 1 3mt, 1 1mt berth)
  • Request new Shipyard at Amarkia, 53pp (12 turns, 1 3mt Berth, 1 1mt Berth)
  • NEW Request new Shipyard at Rethelia, 55pp (12 turns, 1 3mt Berth, 1 1mt Berth)
  • Request new Shipyard at Ferasa, 42pp, (12 turns, 1 3mt Berth)
  • Request new Shipyard at Rigel, 42pp, (12 turns, 1 3mt Berth)
  • NEW Request new Shipyard at Fiiral, 42pp, (12 turns, 1 3mt Berth)
  • Request new Shipyard at Indoria, 35pp (12 turns, 1 1mt Berth)
  • Request new Shipyard at Alukk, 60pp (12 turns, 1 2mt Berth, 2 1mt Berth)
  • NEW Request new Shipyard at Arqueniou, 60pp (12 turns, 1 2mt Berth, 2 1mt Berth)
  • Request new Shipyard at Caldonia, 40pp (12 turns, 2 x 1mt Berth)
  • NEW Request new Shipyard at Second Risa, 40pp (12 turns, 2 x 1mt Berth)
  • Request new Auxiliary Shipyard at <System>, 60pp, (12 turns, 1x2mt, 4x1mt Berth)
  • Request new Starbase I [Write in Sector] 20pp, +12pp for each Starbase past the first in-sector - GBZ Invalid
  • Request new Outposts on all LBZ Starfleet Colonies, 20pp
  • Reduce Militarisation Level 75pp
  • Increase Threat Level 50pp
  • Request Ongoing Budget increase 140pp (Roll for success)
  • Request Allocation for an Ambassador's resources, one-off-infusion of an Ambassador's cost, 80pp
  • Request Academy Development, 55pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
  • Request Service Academy Development, 20pp (Gain +1 Enlisted throughput)
  • Request Temporary Explorer Corps Recruitment Drive, 25pp, (Gain 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs, PLUS Convert 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs from normal service)
  • Request new Tech Team to be added to your Ship Design Bureau, 60pp
  • UPDATED Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Can be taken up to five times]
  • Support additional resources for the Federation Diplomatic Service, 60pp (Cap of pushes increases by 1)
  • Support additional FDS Task Force attachments, 30pp
  • NEW Support additional Task Force attachments from Gaeni Institutes, 35pp, 1 year
  • NEW Support additional resources for Starfleet Security to make Task Force attachments, 35pp, 2 year
  • NEW Request expansion of Starfleet Intelligence deployable units (Special Projects, Irregular Ops, etc), 40pp, 2 year
  • Reorganise a Starfleet Command from a Rear Admiral position to a Vice Admiral position. Pick one: 30pp for Personnel
  • Reorganise a Starfleet Command from a Vice Admiral position to an Admiral position. Pick one: 50pp for Shipyard Ops, (This may create subordinate Vice Admiral positions)
  • UPDATED Sponsor efforts to create additional Critical Ship Infrastructure on another world, 45pp (Pick world, picking industry optional)
  • Sponsor efforts to create Heavy Industrial park to reduce construction times by 25% in that system when making either a parallel or serial build, provides Heavy Industry options pre-SoE, 8 turns, 160pp (pick world)
  • Sponsor efforts for a Major Shipyard Preparations to pave the way for a Utopia Planitia style shipyard, 4 turns, 110pp
  • Deploy Improved Listening Posts to a Border Zone to gain a 25% chance of generating +1 Intel report for powers on that border. (pick border zone, Cardassian, Klingon, Horizon already taken), 20pp
  • Acquire additional resources for Starfleet Intelligence Gathering, 75pp (Gain +1 Intel Report per year)
  • Declare a Seyek Border Zone (Seyek-Cardassian Border), 20pp
  • Declare a Rimward Border Zone (Dawiar border, some Caitian colonies, some Themis), 20pp
  • REMOVED Dispatch Starbase components to GBZ staging area at Delzarr, 45pp
  • REMOVED Dispatch 3 x Weapons Platform and Outpost heavy (+2) reinforcing components to GBZ staging area at Delzarr, 40pp
  • REMOVED Divert production into mines to support Starfleet and Member Worlds in GBZ, 40pp
  • Upgrade Convoy Waystations in a particular Sector, 40pp, (Small infra boosts for Starfleet/Local Members, stronger stations in wartime)
  • Argus Subspace Telescope Project, 4 years (permanent +1 annual Sci-T re-roll for events in Theatre constructed), 100pp
  • NEW Request allocation for new Engineering Team, 25pp, will allow 2 x Engineering Ships to be built in Starfleet line yards.
(2321 snakepit vs 2320 snakepit prices)
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Everyone, I have updated my plan!

Gone is the useless LOCF berth. Now we are getting sweet, sweet engineering ships and more Starfleet Security attachments.

Briefvoice said:
[X][COUNCIL] Briefvoice 2322
  • Request Mining Colony Sael II, 7pp 20 (35) sr/year, 4 turns
  • Request Mining Colony Sigma Delphi, 7pp 20 (30) br/yr, 4 turns
  • Request Research Colony Pure Intent Array, 6pp, 5rp (8) rp/yr, 4 turns
  • Request Research Colony Ariya Minor, 6pp, 5rp (8) rp/yr, 4 turns
  • Request new Starbase I [Horizon Border Zone] 20pp
  • Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (Bajoran Diaspora) [Can be taken up to five times]
  • Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (Vermillions) [Can be taken up to five times]
  • Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (Gorn) [Can be taken up to five times]
  • Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (Muuyozoi (Outer Space Alliance)) [Can be taken up to five times]
  • Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (Licori) [Can be taken up to five times]
  • Reorganise a Starfleet Command from a Rear Admiral position to a Vice Admiral position. Pick one: 30pp for Personnel
  • Deploy Improved Listening Posts to a Border Zone to gain a 25% chance of generating +1 Intel report for powers on that border. (Romulan Border Zone), 20pp
  • Request allocation for new Engineering Team, 25pp, will allow 2 x Engineering Ships to be built in Starfleet line yards.
  • Support additional resources for Starfleet Security to make Task Force attachments, 35pp, 2 year
Total = 256

I feel like this is a good split of diplomatic resources. The Bajoran Diaspora and the Vermillions become affiliates, meaning that we start to get a trickle of crew income from them and they get auto-rolls every year. The Gorn at least lets us make a little progress this year and ideally a mini-intelligence report. Then the OSA and the Licori help our diplomatic efforts. I know we need to do the Felis too, but clearing Horizon tags faster on the OSA and Licori helps free up ships to concentrate on the Felis. Beyond that, we get our long-delayed listening posts for the Romulans, an additional Security attachment will no doubt be useful, and finally do the Personnel promotion we've been discussing for a decade. Finally, I am jumping on those additional engineering ships!
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I have also updated my list but only added another Mining colony.


[][COUNCIL] Mining Colonies, Diplo pushes and Argus Subspace Telescope.
  • Request Mining Colony Sael II, 7pp 20 (35) sr/year, 4 turns
  • Request Mining Colony Sigma Delphi, 7pp 20 (30) br/yr, 4 turns
  • Request Mining Colony Sarcissa Belt, 7pp, 15 (25) br/yr, 4 turns
  • Request Research Colony Pure Intent Array, 6pp, 5rp (8) rp/yr, 4 turns
  • Request Research Colony Ariya Minor, 6pp, 5rp (8) rp/yr, 4 turns
  • Request new Starbase I [Horizon Border Zone] 20pp
  • Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (Bajoran Diaspora) [Can be taken up to five times]
  • Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (Vermillions) [Can be taken up to five times]
  • Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (Gorn) [Can be taken up to five times]
  • Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (Muuyozoi (Outer Space Alliance)) [Can be taken up to five times]
  • Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (Licori) [Can be taken up to five times]
  • Argus Subspace Telescope Project, 4 years (permanent +1 annual Sci-T re-roll for events in Theatre constructed), Spinward Theatre 100pp
100+20+20+20+20+20+7+7+7+6+6+20 = 253 pp
Adhoc vote count started by Thors_Alumni on Mar 6, 2018 at 8:09 PM, finished with 124 posts and 24 votes.
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Adhoc vote count started by Thors_Alumni on Mar 6, 2018 at 8:26 PM, finished with 127 posts and 24 votes.
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The Snakepit TF asset options give us one free TF attachment of that type, don't they?

@Briefvoice
Do you think a Peacekeeper with no Deployment phase cost is worth more than another FDS asset with no deployment cost or whatever the Gaeni might offer?
 
Question for @OneirosTheWriter .

This option:
Support additional resources for Starfleet Security to make Task Force attachments, 35pp, 2 year

Does it just create more of the same old security force attachments that enable Raid events, or will the new attachments have new capabilities? We already have (I think( three attachments that can do raids.
 
pheonix89 said:
The Snakepit TF asset options give us one free TF attachment of that type, don't they?
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Is that what they do? I thoguht they just created an attachment of that type, so for example we could have two FDS attachments fielded instead of just one.

@Briefvoice
Do you think a Peacekeeper with no Deployment phase cost is worth more than another FDS asset with no deployment cost or whatever the Gaeni might offer?
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No, not really. But that wasn't how I had understood it to work. Need more clarification.
 
NEW Request expansion of Starfleet Intelligence deployable units (Special Projects, Irregular Ops, etc), 40pp, 2 year

Would that secure any intel leaks and increase security or is it only unit based?
 
I think this is the plan we've needed:

[:V][COUNCIL] Muh Engineering Teams
  • Request Research Colony Pure Intent Array, 6pp, 5rp (8) rp/yr, 4 turns
  • Request allocation for new Engineering Team, 25pp, will allow 2 x Engineering Ships to be built in Starfleet line yards
  • Request allocation for new Engineering Team, 25pp, will allow 2 x Engineering Ships to be built in Starfleet line yards
  • Request allocation for new Engineering Team, 25pp, will allow 2 x Engineering Ships to be built in Starfleet line yards
  • Request allocation for new Engineering Team, 25pp, will allow 2 x Engineering Ships to be built in Starfleet line yards
  • Request allocation for new Engineering Team, 25pp, will allow 2 x Engineering Ships to be built in Starfleet line yards
  • Request allocation for new Engineering Team, 25pp, will allow 2 x Engineering Ships to be built in Starfleet line yards
  • Request allocation for new Engineering Team, 25pp, will allow 2 x Engineering Ships to be built in Starfleet line yards
  • Request allocation for new Engineering Team, 25pp, will allow 2 x Engineering Ships to be built in Starfleet line yards
  • Request allocation for new Engineering Team, 25pp, will allow 2 x Engineering Ships to be built in Starfleet line yards
  • Request allocation for new Engineering Team, 25pp, will allow 2 x Engineering Ships to be built in Starfleet line yards
Neatly uses all 256 PP and resolves the true needs of Starfleet.
 
I don't feel strongly enough about this snakepit to vote currently. None of the serious plans have items that I strongly disagree with.

A question for the GMs, which they might not have decided on yet, themselves. When the five Federalize their navies, do their engineering teams come too? And would we then have requests from those governments to build X at Y, which I presume their teams are currently doing quietly in the background?
 
Starfleet Intelligence expansion is about putting an extra Office into the field-deployable Departments, so that they are more likely to be available/in a high alert or state of emergency you will have increased options available. They also by necessity mean extra task force attachments can be generated.

Goat said:
I don't feel strongly enough about this snakepit to vote currently. None of the serious plans have items that I strongly disagree with.

A question for the GMs, which they might not have decided on yet, themselves. When the five Federalize their navies, do their engineering teams come too? And would we then have requests from those governments to build X at Y, which I presume their teams are currently doing quietly in the background?
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That's something that needs to be ironed out as part of the Federalisation process. In particular, whether groups like the Tellarite Colonial Engineers group joins, or remains separate in order to carry out work like this.
 
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