VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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- Anywhere but RL
Would derp be higher in witch hunters' suspicious list or lower if derp married the Count?
And if Van's faith crisis is found out....
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Would derp be higher in witch hunters' suspicious list or lower if derp married the Count?
And if Van's faith crisis is found out....
Its actually for all the aboveboard informants. The headmen, the veterans in taverns, etc. They're also intelligence, known in other CK2 as the Rumor Mill, unreliable, vague information. Heck, the Watch itself should be going into the main budget. They're legally reporting to us!
Obviously we can decide which parts go into the main vs black budget
That's because two of the votes are actually monthly action reports. With one part being proposals
A uniform would be a good idea. Though its minor enough that we could probably bundle it up in the takeover or do it without getting to the action proposals.
Picked Vigil because the Watch never ends.
Oh hell no. At least three members of the council are known foreign agents!
He actually paid for the box to be built. I figure he deserves a report. He likes this stuff
What it says on the tin. We need to move some of the more routine drains off the discretionary budget. Like the taverns and the police, into the standard budget. Discretionary budgets are meant for black book and other operating expenses, not static organizational upkeeps.
Witch Hunters may do this on a personal level, but not really systematically. Theres very few people studying undead systematically, and Van Hal is one of those few. Figure he might be interested in the idea, which would make our Backer Mission vastly easier, because he's an expert on ways to find and kill undead.
Also because the extant Witch Hunters are Templars. They answer to the Church if they answer to anyone at all
Guile
Having a really great time right now
You can make the informants part of the standard budget, but I feel like keeping them in the discretionary budget (and getting that budget increased) gives us more fine control over who we pay, where we place informants, who we let go, etcetera.
bookwyrm
Doom of Public Libraries
- Location
- Wichita, Kansas
The problem with Witch Hunters is that the Twin-Tailed Comet and Silver Hammer license and initiate official Hunters, but there are more then just the Templars out there looking for things that go bump in the night. Even within the Order the pyre sometimes consists of personal enemies or rich widows with like an extra toe or red hair or whatever, so "amateurs" can be far worse. Most of the actual power of the Templar Witch Hunters consist of their brutal mob-unleashing reputation, thus any action that might hurt that (like reigning in other Hunters and publicly exposing any hint of corruptibility or ignorance within their profession) is not something they care to commit.
Night_stalker
Slava Ukraini!
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Depends on their standard kit first.
We already let go of fine control for the most part since micromanaging gives us a really small and weak network...and this is mostly for the non secret informants. No loss there really
Basically we want more Van Hals, less of the regular sort.
Night_stalker
Slava Ukraini!
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Yeah, plus cost and what they need. I want something simple yet iconic for them. Basically, so they stand out.
- Location
- Aotearoa
Grey greatcoats, brass buttons. And yes, I suppose a helmet... it seems this was be the germanic (if Prussian) origin... Pickelhaube - Wikipedia
Their common-use nickname will be the Greycoats.
Grey, because Mathilde is very heavily associated with Grey, so there will be a link formed in the minds of the officers, and people.
- Location
- United States of America
I'm not sure if we want to link the Watch to Mathilde. I really don't want people associating the Watch with the spymistress and thinking that the Watch has transformed into a secret police that will drag you off into the night if you don't behave.
Ideally, people outside of the Watch will simply assume that they report to the Elector Count/Marshal and not to the Spymistress. In that vein, I would probably argue for a uniform that incorporates the colors of Stirland rather than gray. Associate the Watch as protectors of local Stirland, rather than a secret police force.
- Location
- United States of America, Michigan
[X] Veekie
- Location
- Aotearoa
But... but... this is our dream! You can't deny Mathilde her dreams of a Secret Police State!
Deposing rulers, abducted from their homes in the night? Torture-to-death first time out? "Enhanced Interrogations" making heavy use of mind-altering magic? Casual use of that same mind-altering magic on civilians? Greatsword Diplomacy? A huge pogrom using the military to round up merchants not aligned to the regime and confiscate their property? Infiltrating both law enforcement, the military, and the underworld with informants? If you think we're not down for a little Police Stating...
...what quest have you been reading?
(Only half... no, quarter joking)
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[X][WatchName] QM's Choice
[X][WatchDuty] Underground: Absorbing the Sewer Jacks and rat-catchers into the Watch will allow you to make the underways of the city as safe as the streets above.
I can't choose between the names suggested so far because none of them are good. The Stirland Vigil in particular, since the work they'll be doing has none of the qualities of a vigil. I'm choosing Underground instead of Road- or Riverwardens because the Watch is very much a city-based organisation, only working in Wurtbad, and I think its new form should continue in that manner by keeping to the towns. Leave the roads and rivers to the military. The rivers in particular should probably also require diplomatic input because the main ones form our borders with Talabecland, Wissenland, and Averland.
No vote for the reports this time. Even if there's things I'd change about veekie's plans, they're not objectionable on the whole. Not like there's ever any hope of beating him without getting a plan up immediately after the update, anyway.
[X][Orders] Plan Let Me Do Magic
-[X] You kind of regret learning exactly what you did to the Thorned One, but you did it. But the liquid leaking out? That's still an unknown. Will Van Hal let you look into it on the clock?
-[X] The spell used by the informants is like nothing you've heard of before. You want to see if you can detect or replicate it.
-[X] Your intelligence infrastructure is becoming worthy of the title; perhaps you could dedicate some time to expanding it. And, ideally, Stirland could pay for it directly instead of it eating your discretionary income.
-[X] The Wurtbadian Watch is now your pet. Given more time, you can make it your attack dog.
I just want to be able to do something with magic for our official action.
[X][WatchDuty] Underground: Absorbing the Sewer Jacks and rat-catchers into the Watch will allow you to make the underways of the city as safe as the streets above.
I can't choose between the names suggested so far because none of them are good. The Stirland Vigil in particular, since the work they'll be doing has none of the qualities of a vigil. I'm choosing Underground instead of Road- or Riverwardens because the Watch is very much a city-based organisation, only working in Wurtbad, and I think its new form should continue in that manner by keeping to the towns. Leave the roads and rivers to the military. The rivers in particular should probably also require diplomatic input because the main ones form our borders with Talabecland, Wissenland, and Averland.
No vote for the reports this time. Even if there's things I'd change about veekie's plans, they're not objectionable on the whole. Not like there's ever any hope of beating him without getting a plan up immediately after the update, anyway.
[X][Orders] Plan Let Me Do Magic
-[X] You kind of regret learning exactly what you did to the Thorned One, but you did it. But the liquid leaking out? That's still an unknown. Will Van Hal let you look into it on the clock?
-[X] The spell used by the informants is like nothing you've heard of before. You want to see if you can detect or replicate it.
-[X] Your intelligence infrastructure is becoming worthy of the title; perhaps you could dedicate some time to expanding it. And, ideally, Stirland could pay for it directly instead of it eating your discretionary income.
-[X] The Wurtbadian Watch is now your pet. Given more time, you can make it your attack dog.
I just want to be able to do something with magic for our official action.
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- United States of America
Ah, but you see, that is the job for a highly specialized arm of the military (or Mathilde's retinue). That is the insidious genius of a properly run police state.
You have the brave public defenders of the people, a force that propaganda uplifts as the defenders of the common man of Stirland. They see them, and they feel safe and secure in the knowledge that the Count respects their rights and privacy while still defending them from the common menace of the undead. They are not here to arrest you, they are here to protect you from the unsavory as well as provide a wall against sneaky undead.
In the meantime, you have the never public secret police squad that nobody knows about. It is they that whisk people away in the dead of night, clean up political messes, and generally deal with the unsavory business of being the spymistress of the region.
In this way, people's attention is focused on the Watch to see what they do and how patriotic they are. When people realize that they are run by the Spymistress, then they think that this is the secret police arm and double their attention (especially if we don't publicize the relationship, people will assume that the conclusion they reached is true and dig no deeper) while the true secret police go about unnoticed.
Smoke and mirrors. Wave a red flag in a person's face to grab their attention, so they don't see the dagger drawing near their back.
A little bit of a clarification on a few points:
-The Watch is not(yet) a modern police force.
--The First(?) Wurtbad Watch was simply a security office. They make sure the city is free of bandits, robbers, arsonists and wildlife.
--The Second Wurtbad Watch under the previous administration overwrote the First, staffing it with former soldiers and then told them to "pursue corruption, mundane and supernatural". This was about as effective as you might imagine. They theoretically reported to the Elector of Stirland, but largely didn't report at all.
So, as far as modern ideas of police go? We have the beat cops, people with a helmet(for thrown cobblestones, furniture and shit), a breastplate(for knives and shit), a sword(for gribblies and deadly types of criminals), a baton( for rioters and other disorderly types) and a lantern or wicker shield, as well as a cloak because fuck the weather. We don't have detectives, investigators and the like.
This means that putting it under the Spymaster would be to shift it from Enforcement to Investigation.
What does this mean for fashion?
Stirland's colors are black going by the province heraldry.
So if we do this:
They're going to look like Stormtroopers lol.
Maybe a grey cloak over black uniforms to make them look less ominous?
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
I want to give them trenchcoats and fedoras.
- Location
- Queensland, Australia
[X] [WatchName] The Stirland Vigil
[X] [WatchDuty] Riverwardens: With the addition of a fleet of very small warships, the Watch extend their reach onto the waterways of Stirland, fighting piracy and smuggling in the rivers that are the Empire's lifeblood.
[X] [Public] Plan The Watched
[X] [Private] Plan Team Mystic
[X] [Orders] Plan Who Ya Gonna Call?
[X] [WatchDuty] Riverwardens: With the addition of a fleet of very small warships, the Watch extend their reach onto the waterways of Stirland, fighting piracy and smuggling in the rivers that are the Empire's lifeblood.
[X] [Public] Plan The Watched
[X] [Private] Plan Team Mystic
[X] [Orders] Plan Who Ya Gonna Call?
- Location
- Brazil
Stirland Vigil does not roll off the tongue like Watch does.
- Location
- nz
[X] [WatchDuty] Riverwardens: With the addition of a fleet of very small warships, the Watch extend their reach onto the waterways of Stirland, fighting piracy and smuggling in the rivers that are the Empire's lifeblood.
- Location
- USA
[X][WatchName] Stirland Watch
[X][WatchDuty] Underground: Absorbing the Sewer Jacks and rat-catchers into the Watch will allow you to make the underways of the city as safe as the streets above.
[X][WatchDuty] Underground: Absorbing the Sewer Jacks and rat-catchers into the Watch will allow you to make the underways of the city as safe as the streets above.
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Partly why I split them all up to different tasks. Bundling the name seems unfair when nothing else cares what the name is and my naming sense is apparently not shared much
- Location
- Brazil
[X][WatchName] Stirland Watch
[X] [WatchDuty] Riverwardens: With the addition of a fleet of very small warships, the Watch extend their reach onto the waterways of Stirland, fighting piracy and smuggling in the rivers that are the Empire's lifeblood.
[X] [WatchDuty] Riverwardens: With the addition of a fleet of very small warships, the Watch extend their reach onto the waterways of Stirland, fighting piracy and smuggling in the rivers that are the Empire's lifeblood.
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