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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
KlavoHunter
THOU SHALT WORSHIP NO GODS ABOVE ENTERPRISE!
Fast, dripping with guns, point defense, and a shimmer shield? Let's roll these Havocs out ASAP 🤩
Huh, from the way it was worded i'd been assuming that they were considering making the GD-3 an energy weapon like the ones NOD started rolling out for their infantry now that they have a better grasp of the science/tech, rather than trying to adjust a normal projectile rifle.
Makes it a much less attractive option in that case as i can't really see much ideas for basic rifle upgrades with what we have now beyond improving what it's made out of.
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Huh. Tiberium on Venus. In a single, large, growing patch. Wonder how long it's been there?
Also, no idea how to contain it given how bad the conditions are. Venus can't possibly have much of an underground water cycle, so the deposit probably just sits on the surface in a single cohesive mass, but again, that is a dauntingly huge mass of tiberium to mine, as large or larger than any single Red Zone on Earth, even without considering the conditions. And, of course, there's the risk that a liquid tiberium explosion will attract the Scrin and/or catapult more tiberium into space.
The big question is, as pointed out in the comments, if Venus has caught tiberium from Earth, either from deliberate seeding or from fragments ejected from Earth's gravity well... why hasn't the moon? This strongly suggests that tiberium needs an atmosphere to thrive, probably because it can withstand Venus' atmospheric conditions more easily than it can withstand radiation bombardment in vacuum.
Notably, our existing sonic emitters would likely NOT work on Venus. Why? Because it's implied to be a different tiberium crystal structure. Different lattice means different vulnerable frequencies. We might be able to retune... but we'd still face the problem, of course, of building shit that can survive on Venus.
"Most crew survived" + "200 survivors" = "Governors are much more lightly crewed than I thought," by the way.
Anyway, shame we've lost two, and yeah, as the QM points out, this is the kind of thing you can't really do anything about just with surface combatants, especially only with big surface combatants. We need the Super Orca and the escort carriers to really do much about this threat. And note that Bintang is likely to be operating these submarines- maybe not these specific subs but many like them.
It's entirely possible that if Nod goes ham on us soon, we're gonna be on the receiving end of a nasty submarine warfare campaign.
We need a mass of cheap housing, in addition to ongoing arcology construction.
Now to reinforce the space defenses so it doesn't get blown up harder than before.
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Huh. Tiberium on Venus. In a single, large, growing patch. Wonder how long it's been there?
Also, no idea how to contain it given how bad the conditions are. Venus can't possibly have much of an underground water cycle, so the deposit probably just sits on the surface in a single cohesive mass, but again, that is a dauntingly huge mass of tiberium to mine, as large or larger than any single Red Zone on Earth, even without considering the conditions. And, of course, there's the risk that a liquid tiberium explosion will attract the Scrin and/or catapult more tiberium into space.
The big question is, as pointed out in the comments, if Venus has caught tiberium from Earth, either from deliberate seeding or from fragments ejected from Earth's gravity well... why hasn't the moon? This strongly suggests that tiberium needs an atmosphere to thrive, probably because it can withstand Venus' atmospheric conditions more easily than it can withstand radiation bombardment in vacuum.
Notably, our existing sonic emitters would likely NOT work on Venus. Why? Because it's implied to be a different tiberium crystal structure. Different lattice means different vulnerable frequencies. We might be able to retune... but we'd still face the problem, of course, of building shit that can survive on Venus.
Krukov is having to smash faces to prove that he's still got muscles after St. Petersburg. Reynaldo is probably testing our defenses to try something serious. Gideon, well... we'll need to actually finish that MARV hub if we don't want to get hit with a setback, I guess.
Aaaand that's all she wrote for those ships; an under-the-keel explosion literally breaks a ship's back.
"Most crew survived" + "200 survivors" = "Governors are much more lightly crewed than I thought," by the way.
Anyway, shame we've lost two, and yeah, as the QM points out, this is the kind of thing you can't really do anything about just with surface combatants, especially only with big surface combatants. We need the Super Orca and the escort carriers to really do much about this threat. And note that Bintang is likely to be operating these submarines- maybe not these specific subs but many like them.
It's entirely possible that if Nod goes ham on us soon, we're gonna be on the receiving end of a nasty submarine warfare campaign.
Notably, Nod missile guidance is a problem here. Remember that Nod can't keep a GPS constellation in orbit, and many other ways to guide missiles (e.g. inertial) have limitations in submarine warfare because the sub doesn't necessarily have its own coordinates nailed down precisely when it launches.
Ugh. Mitigating the Red Zones tends to be to their advantage in a way, unless we can seize and hold more territory.
Yeah. Especially with things like Giddyboy trying to push in the American South- that's the kind of place ZOCOM would tend to reinforce with the forces available.
Yeah. We're pushing the limits of what we can achieve without our own military offensives. On the other hand, the military is actually well supplied for global pushes, though consumables production and power armor rollouts will need to be a watchword to sustain that.
See? THIS.
We need a mass of cheap housing, in addition to ongoing arcology construction.
Oh my God... I can just see shit like that having happened in this timeline...
Good to know.
We've finally built the Philadelphia back better than before.
Now to reinforce the space defenses so it doesn't get blown up harder than before.
Well, it's nice to know that "incomplete rollout" means "guns start being delivered but we're working on some of the bugs still" and not "nothing is ready to go."
Heheheh. Yeah, go figure.
MagnificentMind
To Live is to Suffer
Drugs truly are a unifying element for mankind
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My big concern here is that heavy investment in the arcologies means not investing in the ICS. And I'm pretty sure that when the warlords go aggressive/dogpile on us, we're going to experience heavy Logistics maluses from submarine warfare (as recently illustrated, not a threat we're well prepared to counter) and just the general strain of supplying and sustaining operations and repairing damage done.
There's something to be said, I suppose, for trying to slam out the third phase of arcologies before we even move on to the next task...
Yeah, it may be worth it to do that just to protect that glacier mine...
Of course, if that one-die investment doesn't finish, we're immediately stuck taking 3-4 turns to finish the hub instead of 2-3... but that'd be an issue anyway.
The Navy probably expects shit like this to happen once in a while. They may change their party line, but they're already hollering for the escort carriers as the Next Thing.
I'd like to advocate for two dice on fusion plants and two (if not more with Free dice) on the Capital Goods project of your choice.
The reason is simple: we don't need Phase 3 of the fusion plants next turn as far as I can tell. It's not a crash priority project, so there's no need to shock-complete it, and we're not likely to immediately capitalize on any rollover that comes out of it.
So, might as well slow-walk it with two dice, so that we can spare more dice for the relevant Capital Goods project.
There's something to be said for this vigorous 11-die push on Military; my own plan drafts only have nine dice for the military because of one Free die going to Heavy Industry and a desire for eight Philadelphia dice.
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Any reason they couldn't piggy-back off ours?
GPS satellites--at least our IRL ones--just transmit their ID and time code, they don't receive anything from GPS locators so they can't discriminate between authorized and unauthorized users. The only way to maintain an authorization would be to encrypt the transmission somehow--and that presents its own problems re:civilian usage.
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- USA
Given we have hover tech under research we are likely to get something better than ICS that does not eat up our cap goods- as is rail networks and orbital shuttles are my logistics choices under infra- that and more orbital comms once philly 2 is finished. Also if we put enough dice into philly 2 Q1 we can have a solid shot of finishing Q2- with a max of 12 dice (7 free +5 orbital) 9 dice Q1 would let us take a shot at finishing it Q2 (82% if we go 9 and 12)
At 80% with one die that is likely worth it to let us progress more elsewhere.
trooperist
Cinnamon Roll AI
Gonna be a real pain to mine Venus. As was mentioned if the Tiberium was literally anywhere else we'd be able to mine it immediately but instead it's on Venus.
First things first we need to be able to perform tests on the hexagon Tiberium. Which means making some sort of gizmo or probe that can go down to the surface of Venus, get a sample without getting eaten by Tiberium, and then take that sample back up into orbit. Then make equipment that can not only survive Venus but stay functioning there for months at a time.
Realistically it might be decades before we can make an attempt at mining and abatement efforts on Venus.
First things first we need to be able to perform tests on the hexagon Tiberium. Which means making some sort of gizmo or probe that can go down to the surface of Venus, get a sample without getting eaten by Tiberium, and then take that sample back up into orbit. Then make equipment that can not only survive Venus but stay functioning there for months at a time.
Realistically it might be decades before we can make an attempt at mining and abatement efforts on Venus.
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Whelp that sucks. Gotta figure out how to mine Tiberium on another planet then.
Good lesson for her. No one I was going to line up 100 percent with you on beliefs.
Red flag.
Just bad luck. Really I'm not sure what they could've done to avoid this.
Nice. This is pretty bad assed. Wish we could get it up and running before the war but kind of doubt it.
It's the fact we had to give up initiative that this guy again. I can't wait to body this dude,
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The point of ICS is that its a system, not individual tech. Individual tech gets rolled into the ICS not the other way around. We're going to have to spend cap goods on it because it involves shipyards, rails and trucks all being standardized. Changes will be made to include the hover items into ICS but waiting to do ICS because of hover when our biggest logistics hurdle is standardization isn't a great idea.
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What I'm thinking is we strap a bunch of giant rockets to Venus, then just decelerate it into the sun. Problem solved.
Until the Tiberium "mines" the sun, then we're really screwed.
Until the Tiberium "mines" the sun, then we're really screwed.
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if GDI's navigation satellites send encrypted transmissions, and the price of using that for civilian purposes is that you have to keep your encryption ciphers updated regularly.
Nod probably doesn't have much trouble getting access to the ciphers when they really work at it, so they would have at least sporadic access to our GPS network. But for submarine-launched missiles that presents the usual problems of "how do you keep the submarine updated on what the new codes are?" Those submarines probably spent quite a while underwater and largely out of touch with Nod authorities on the surface before getting into firing position. It's quite possible that between the time they were last updated with the codes to properly read GDI's navigation satellites, and the time of launch, GDI changed the codes, forcing the missiles back onto more half-assed forms of guidance.
I don't think we get more orbital comms. And hover tech won't make all of ICS obsolete, and hovertrucks won't be available for widespread rollout for years. We need the logistics buffer soon if we are to avoid impact from the coming war.
If you're not going to push for ICS because you're holding out for a better version of the system to deploy all in one go, I strongly recommend you consider Suborbital Shuttles, which is less dice-intensive for the eventual +16 Logistics full payout. It's costly, but it gives us a lot of reserve capacity. And, arguably, some of the advantages of OSRCT, because a lot of shuttles would let us pull shit like rapidly redeploying a ZOCOM battalion halfway around the world in a hurry.
Furthermore, the parts of ICS that are most likely to be Capital Goods intensive are precisely the parts that hovertrucks won't really replace. Just building highways isn't a Capital Goods eating project for us, after all, any more than building railroads or dams is.
Nngh. If we're taking that strategy, we should front-load the spending in Q1, not push it back to Q2, because then we'll have a better sense for how many dice we actually have to invest in Q2, rather than just throwing major overspending and hoping for the best.
Also, having Philadelphia Phase 5 up for long before finishing ASAT Phase 4 is tempting fate.
Ace of Scarabs
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- Singapore
Green rocks on Venus? Oh joy. I guess getting next-gen Harvesters will have to be done with an eye on iterating towards an automated or remotely-driven model that can survive on Venus.
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Welp. That's what we get for not building a MARV for all of our Glacier Mines.
Anyways, that's 2 dice on the RZ-7 South hub next turn. 2 dice is not negotiable; with 1 die having an 80% completion chance, that means a 20% chance of having one of our Glacier mines blown up. Which is completely unacceptable.
I'm worried that this is still here. Is Cherdenko's intel still useful? Is GDI going to do a bombing run in an area with many civilians after we complete the Aurora bomber? Is this an opportunity we want to do, and soon, or something we should deliberately sit on?
One key takeaway here is that we're going to have to be prepared for another YZ push in about a year, because to not do so means NOD might affect our abatement operations. Once our "GZ" is about to be eaten up by BZ territory, it's go time.
I'd really like to get the Arcologies at least near completion next turn. I don't want people to feel like they're pressured into participating in this experiment; I'd rather have good confidence people can wait 3 months for the next round of Arcologies to be finished off.
Like, the more we slack on this, the more everyone living outside BZ cities is going to look like a target to NOD. And even in BZs, Arcologies are just way more resilient to damage and attacks like the one that hit Manchester this turn.
Bit of a fun fact: We built the first Fusion Power Prototype on the same turn we did our last round of standard Power Production Campaigns. Now, 3 years and 3 months later, we've deployed the finalized fusion power plant design. Not a bad pace for completely revolutionizing our energy needs.
To compare the two: Our fusion plants now cost 0/300 progress per stage, and 20R per die. On average, each stage will take 4 dice and 80R. Meanwhile, our old fission plants cost 0/550 progress but only 10R per die. On average, each stage of fission plants will take 7.5 dice and 75R. And -1 Labor. So while the resource cost is roughly the same, fusion plants cost about 3.5 dice less. Basically, fission plants are now obsolete. Now we just have to miniaturize our fusion tech so we can cram it into everything...
I worry that this means we haven't solved the problem yet. After all, if the old plants aren't getting deliveries, then while we've got more plants overall we still have a limited number handling about the same amount of capacity as before now. This makes me think doing the refits, or another batch of new refineries, is more important now, since we haven't un-centralized our processing yet.
@Ithillid Please add a note in about how this project had a natural 100.
I wonder if this is a mechanic we'll see more often, where nearly-completed projects will be auto-completed. Certainly nothing we can count on, I'm afraid, but it's surely helpful when it does happen.
Now if only we could do this to large batches of Tiberium at once, instead of tiny little strips of it at a time. Perhaps something similar to this is how one of the possible TCNs works.
I want this monster deployed ASAP. Seems like a sweet kick-ass unit to have around.
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- USA
One reason I have orbital defense laser on the docket for this turn, may try to shift a dice or two into starting ASAT 4 as well to finish Q2 with possible philly 2 finish.
Maybe, it depends on how many dice into mil- though i could delay mil sec review until Q2, that would free up a mil dice to push mil projects through
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Tiberium isn't invincible. It will break down under high enough pressure, or a hot enough temperature, something the sun has plenty of. Any Tiberium (at least, as we know it) would be utterly destroyed if it fell towards the sun.
That said, throwing an entire planet into the sun would likely get a little messy.
It only happened because the required progress needed was reduced to below 15, IIRC.
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In this case it is because a discount brought it into Omake range, but yes, you will see an expanding range of "close enough" as you get to squirrel away funding.
Edit: This is one of the upsides of reallocation. As people who are not you get funding, sometimes on projects of mutual interest, they will kick a little bit your way to push it over the edge.
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Huh. Tiberium on Venus. In a single, large, growing patch. Wonder how long it's been there?
Also, no idea how to contain it given how bad the conditions are. Venus can't possibly have much of an underground water cycle, so the deposit probably just sits on the surface in a single cohesive mass, but again, that is a dauntingly huge mass of tiberium to mine, as large or larger than any single Red Zone on Earth, even without considering the conditions. And, of course, there's the risk that a liquid tiberium explosion will attract the Scrin and/or catapult more tiberium into space.
The big question is, as pointed out in the comments, if Venus has caught tiberium from Earth, either from deliberate seeding or from fragments ejected from Earth's gravity well... why hasn't the moon? This strongly suggests that tiberium needs an atmosphere to thrive, probably because it can withstand Venus' atmospheric conditions more easily than it can withstand radiation bombardment in vacuum.
Notably, our existing sonic emitters would likely NOT work on Venus. Why? Because it's implied to be a different tiberium crystal structure. Different lattice means different vulnerable frequencies. We might be able to retune... but we'd still face the problem, of course, of building shit that can survive on Venus.
Krukov is having to smash faces to prove that he's still got muscles after St. Petersburg. Reynaldo is probably testing our defenses to try something serious. Gideon, well... we'll need to actually finish that MARV hub if we don't want to get hit with a setback, I guess.
Aaaand that's all she wrote for those ships; an under-the-keel explosion literally breaks a ship's back.
"Most crew survived" + "200 survivors" = "Governors are much more lightly crewed than I thought," by the way.
Anyway, shame we've lost two, and yeah, as the QM points out, this is the kind of thing you can't really do anything about just with surface combatants, especially only with big surface combatants. We need the Super Orca and the escort carriers to really do much about this threat. And note that Bintang is likely to be operating these submarines- maybe not these specific subs but many like them.
It's entirely possible that if Nod goes ham on us soon, we're gonna be on the receiving end of a nasty submarine warfare campaign.
Notably, Nod missile guidance is a problem here. Remember that Nod can't keep a GPS constellation in orbit, and many other ways to guide missiles (e.g. inertial) have limitations in submarine warfare because the sub doesn't necessarily have its own coordinates nailed down precisely when it launches.
Ugh. Mitigating the Red Zones tends to be to their advantage in a way, unless we can seize and hold more territory.
Yeah. Especially with things like Giddyboy trying to push in the American South- that's the kind of place ZOCOM would tend to reinforce with the forces available.
Yeah. We're pushing the limits of what we can achieve without our own military offensives. On the other hand, the military is actually well supplied for global pushes, though consumables production and power armor rollouts will need to be a watchword to sustain that.
See? THIS.
We need a mass of cheap housing, in addition to ongoing arcology construction.
Oh my God... I can just see shit like that having happened in this timeline...
Good to know.
We've finally built the Philadelphia back better than before.
Now to reinforce the space defenses so it doesn't get blown up harder than before.
Well, it's nice to know that "incomplete rollout" means "guns start being delivered but we're working on some of the bugs still" and not "nothing is ready to go."
Heheheh. Yeah, go figure.
What "incomplete rollout" means varies between projects, but projects that are nearly completed tend to err towards 'we are starting production but there are issues that still need solving for this to really work, and solving those issues needs more funding'.
The navy is a military and knows it will lose equipment. Including really expensive equipment.
There's a reason the Governor rollout was '6 shipyards that can build and maintain 90 ships between them', rather than '90 ships'. The military is just going to dip into its 'navy repair and replacement fund'.
GDI GPS systems are encrypted. While Nod can, and does, crack or otherwise gets its hands on GPS receivers, GDI's update schemes are fast enough to highly limit the effectiveness of this, so while Nod probably can figure out where its everything is to some degree with GPS, it's not nearly as reliable.
There's also the possibility that GPS is a military system, or at least highly restricted for civilians, and if you are not in range of a cellphone tower, fuck your navigation.
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Ithillid has confirmed that Aurora bombers can hit the factories without hitting the surrounding towns.
Personally, I'd advocate for them. It's not like those factories are going anywhere quick, even if Krukov found out we know about them - he's clearly using them a lot to make his pushes elsewhere.
Tactical defeat with thankfully little strategic impact beyond emboldening NOD. Good thing we do security sweeps, otherwise those subs might have had better targeting.
Sounds like a long-term project to get caviar. Not sure if worth it beyond being able to preserve biodiversity. Beluga caviar take 12 - 22 years to reach sexual maturity and spawn in 4 - 7 year intervals.
It is said that the impetus for early agriculture was to obtain a reliable supply of booze.
Given that the Havoc can jump mid-sized buildings in a single bound? Good luck with that. It's entire purpose is to get into the sort of mountainous or Tib-infested terrain that eats tracks and spits out sprockets, and then mercilessly bully unsupported infantry units. If Havocs are engaging tanks, it's because the tanks are in terrain that leaves them vulnerable to an ambush and has an easy way to break contact. Countering them with conventional armor would require the development of tanks that can jump at least a small building in a single bound, which is likely to be a royal pain. Havoc are gonna be ZOCOM and the mountain divisions best friend, and their Nod counterparts worst nightmare.
staplesdex2
CLASSFIED
So, will we have more MARVs or SMARVs later in the future or no?
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We got a DM hint to finish up RZ-7s already and we were already contemplating BZ-18 for Karachi and whichever YZ corresponds to Mecca. (I forgot which, sorry.)
So yes. Just a question of when.