Capital goods shortage is really obvious.
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HI dice are going to be tied up in getting rid of sabotaged chips for this turn and next most likely. And we need the military in shape to expand our tiberium operations which we need to slow the spread of tiberium as well as gather the resources needed to actually run all of our dice.
Sailor_Skarro
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Yeah, Capital Goods was on the agenda as Next Crisis To Handle but it got bumped down for Suddenly We Need To Replace All Our Chips.
At least Chips will likely give some Capital Goods to go along with them?
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- The Underdark
They are.
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- Earth
They are.
I imagine that is because we're building a single facility large enough to handle the entire world's need for microelectronics.
Sailor_Skarro
The Lurker
Uuuuuuugh we have 450 points to work through before we start GETTING SOMETHING out of that factoryThey are.
That's eight dice on average, aaaaaaaagh
And that's assuming Phase 2 gets us something, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh
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Well. I guess that means we're going to do Phase 1 and Phase 2 to at least get some chip production flowing from it. Which downgrades the chip crisis to 'almost top priority', with the Capital Goods Shortage and Tiberium Mitigation being tied for first place. Military being in a close third place behind them all, but with emphasis because it's needed to help with Tiberium Mitigation.They are.
Of course, we all know that what's going to happen next is Nod attacking somewhere, thus jumping the military priority up again.
We really are in a situation where there's four major crises, and at least three lesser ones (Permanent Housing, Tiberium Medicine and Consumer Goods Shortage). But all four of the major crises are made worse by the other three, and fixing them all both helps and makes worse the other three as well...
I think the tool plant is more important right now than the large chip factory. The Manchester plant will allow us to replace the most critical issues there and now we know about the infiltration we can work around them if we accept that the NOD can tell what we produce.
Having no production of machine tools means the new factories need to get their tools from the existing factories and so factories will get worse the more we build.
Also, I am thinking of completing Reclaimator Hub Blue Zone 1 (Progress 39/125) to see how much income we get in the next phase where MARVs are built for it.
Having no production of machine tools means the new factories need to get their tools from the existing factories and so factories will get worse the more we build.
Also, I am thinking of completing Reclaimator Hub Blue Zone 1 (Progress 39/125) to see how much income we get in the next phase where MARVs are built for it.
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- United States
Sailor_Skarro
The Lurker
Maybe finish Manchester, Phase 2 Boston, then Christchurch? Or Manchester->Christchurch->Phase 2 Boston?
Don't think doing MARV stuff is a good idea right now, we have a lot of widely applicable important military stuff to do and our dice just got forced over into Heavy Industry for the foreseeable future.
Don't think doing MARV stuff is a good idea right now, we have a lot of widely applicable important military stuff to do and our dice just got forced over into Heavy Industry for the foreseeable future.
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- nz
The thing about the MARVs that is bringing me around to that idea is that they increase resources per turn, increase our military and increase our tiberium mitigation. The Trifecta of things we are splitting our attention between.
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- Lost to the Depths of the Deep Web
Oh you Cheaky-Beaky....
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Still is there any knock on effects for doing more MARV things or is just a flat boost to what we got atm?
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Do we want to do Christchurch first over Boston? I don't know what's been said in the Discord about which is more important, but it's important we pick which one we should do first given one's a 0/300 project and the other's a 0/450 project.
Given we're going to put 1-2 dice on Manchester and a die for Security Review, I'd think we would do Boston first given it's going to take 2 turns to complete anyways. We can push through Christchurch in a single turn with 6-7 dice, but Boston is likely to take 8-10 dice total. Probably going to take 3 turns to do it all, 2 turns is only if we cut the die margins close and succeed on everything.
We'd probably want to do Lithium Battery Plants first since it discounts military projects. High Energy Capacitor Plants discounted Reclaimator Hubs by 75 progress points, so we can at expect the Battery Plants to give another sizeable discount. Plus, after we build a Reclaimator Hub we'll still need to build its MARVs in a separate project. So it's very expensive to do, and we don't have the dice or bonuses for Military projects like we do with Tiberium projects.
Also, uh, there's like... 33 Reclaimator Hubs? Or 53, if it's supposed to be Yellow Zone 1-6 A, Yellow 1-6 B etc.
A MARV collects Tiberium about as fast as a normal harvester except it comes with the price tag of a capital ship instead of a pickup truck, I don't think it would be a worthwhile investment if we want income over the traditional harvesting projects. To me the MARVs read like something we're only going to deploy a handful of to defend high value targets: a hub and MARV built in Italy to support our glacier mining for example might be a good thing to squeeze in before the end of this Four Year Plan if we want to play with MARVs. But I don't think they'd be nearly as useful for general use and perimeter defense across tens of thousands of km which is mostly what we're worried about outside something specific like Italy.
Sailor_Skarro
The Lurker
Am fine with that. Probably 1 Die on Manchester.
Lithium Batteries isn't giving nearly so big a discount. Don't remember if that was in-thread or in-Discord. And yeah, that's why I don't want to do MARVs right now.
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I do think that getting the MARVs up and running is one of our military priorities due to the fact that each one does achieve the trifecta of tiberium mitigation, income gain and military strength improvement. But I agree that right now they're less important than the cheaper military options we can take whilst also taking some of the Tiberium options and investing heavily into Heavy Industry.
There's also the fact that the MARVs, even when factoring in the cost to build each MARV once the hub is built, aren't likely to take more than 300 progress to set up. Whereas our current Tiberium projects either already take more than that, or their next Phase will take more than that. So it'll probably be quicker to get the MARVs up and running. And that's currently, without any further discounts to military projects when we already have one that we want to complete soon known.
Where you are wrong is that we'd not take MARVs just for Income. We'd take them because unlike other Tiberium options they don't take up military strength to defend whilst improving income and tiberium mitigation. Basically we want to keep sinking one die into MARVs whenever we can afford to because they're so useful. We'd want to sink more in, but that means we're letting other Military options go which will be a problem.
There's also the fact that the MARVs, even when factoring in the cost to build each MARV once the hub is built, aren't likely to take more than 300 progress to set up. Whereas our current Tiberium projects either already take more than that, or their next Phase will take more than that. So it'll probably be quicker to get the MARVs up and running. And that's currently, without any further discounts to military projects when we already have one that we want to complete soon known.
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- USA
Its more for the mitigation using mil dice instead of tib dice, income is a bonus not the reason to grab
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We've seen how sinking a single die per turn into ASAT works out. Doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
That's just luck though, we could have thrown two dice a turn at ASAT and still had extremely poor results. That's the price you pay when results are based on random chance.
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- Kansas City area
Thing is it's building the Hub not the actual Marv which is a whole other project.
Christchurch is a 300 project but it helps things in the back end and helps our military and maintenance so we don't have anything breaking in the field.
Christchurch is a 300 project but it helps things in the back end and helps our military and maintenance so we don't have anything breaking in the field.
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- USA
Though since we had a penalty to mil dice we would have need 2 on average to finish and it rolls over to phase 2, still given the chips crunch may have to forgoe it for other projects
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- nz
Since Nod resource siphoning got shut down, do we have more resources per turn now?