- Location
- USA
We are almost out of steel talon projects so we're certainly trying.
Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
- Location
- USG Ishimura
Some thoughts. If Modern Particle Weapons are gated behind current Particle Weapons dev, then that does change some of my personal calculus. Because a 98 tech is damn good stuff and we should get in on that.
It's kinda intriguing how we have four bio techs in the pipes, but they're all Nod. We're also getting Nod cyber interface stuff, but we're going to be linking it mostly to Scrin derived augments. It's neat. And makes sense. The Scrin might not even have DNA, and whatever parts of them are biological probably have lots of requirements humans don't, or could be outright harmful to people. Which does make ne wonder how Civilian Augmentics is going to work, but I guess I'll find out when the time comes.
Nod technology as I see it is bleeding edge human technology with enough alien know-how to make it viable, leaning into practical. Scrin tech is more GDI trying to copy as much as we can directly, only filling in with human technology where we can't figure out what they did. Which makes it neat when the two meet under the hands of GDI.
It's also neat how you can feel the differences mechanically. And it's not just that Nod is inferior to the Scrin. Nod knows a lot more about traditional biology and how to twist it around, they have their own weapon technology, all sorts of things. Even something like the Buckler Shield, which could've just been a lesser version of Shimmer Shields, still has a useful twist to it that the Scrin shield doesn't. A somewhat less capable technology that's much stronger in one area feels very in keeping with Nod doctrine. Though the Scrin tech is still more desirable in a general sense, because it's more widely applicable. And tend to be less... politically fraut.
Though at the same time, it feels like the Nod version of a technology is more human friendly, or easier to implement. Still, both are very useful in different ways.
Nod Stealth is exactly the kind of experimental tech they'd want to poke at. Wouldn't exactly fit their doctrine, but I'm sure they'll find a use for it. They also might just start pointing us at other military projects they're interested in, like Lasers or Particle Weapons. Above all else they're invested in get at and staying on the cutting technological edge.
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Lasers are ready to roll out, so they might put their priority tag on it, but I'd be surprised if it got counted as a Talon's project.
Stealth is certainly a possibility.
Maybe they will have the Armor Alloys project?
Particle Shields eventually.
I would think that they'd want new platforms, but they don't seem to need anything specific in that area. That is why I'm wondering if they might want to expand on existing factories. They aren't going to get more confidence by just doing RnD projects.
Stealth is certainly a possibility.
Maybe they will have the Armor Alloys project?
Particle Shields eventually.
I would think that they'd want new platforms, but they don't seem to need anything specific in that area. That is why I'm wondering if they might want to expand on existing factories. They aren't going to get more confidence by just doing RnD projects.
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- Mid-Atlantic
I think buckler shields were just a specific application of shimmer shields- something we developed as a consequence of having developed shimmer shields, not something we got from Nod.
I could be misremembering.
I could be misremembering.
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
- Location
- USG Ishimura
You are. It's something we got out of the battle of Jacksonville, during the Regency War.
That said, it's not on the Breakthrough list, so it might've been something we got for rolling well or focusing on supporting the war effort.
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- Mid-Atlantic
I'd sort of gotten the idea that it was a case of us and Nod independently figuring out how to use the same basic Scrin-derived technology in the same way. Gideon had some kind of AFV that projected a forward-arc force field, so us getting the specific 'buckler shield' tech from him would be plausible. On the other hand, so would us independently developing it based off our own shimmer shield research and using his tech only as an inspiration and a clue that it would be possible.
So yeah, I wasn't sure. Sorry.
- Location
- USA
All I want is to complete every tech project as soon as possible.
Then we start whatever timers on any projects gated behind them and get to see our full set of options for deployment.
If inferno gel or the others unlocks some really interesting industrial projects I'll be annoyed because we have had them for quite a while. I'll also be laughing. Because that would be hilarious.
Then we start whatever timers on any projects gated behind them and get to see our full set of options for deployment.
If inferno gel or the others unlocks some really interesting industrial projects I'll be annoyed because we have had them for quite a while. I'll also be laughing. Because that would be hilarious.
If we ever meet up with the Bentusaar it's gonna be real awkward explaining how our tech base happened. If they're anything like canon Bentusaar they probably will disapprove of Kane's actions? At least the post-tiberium ones. But they'd actually have a good idea of just how criminally culpable one of their own is if cut off from their other half, so who knows.
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- Mid-Atlantic
Well, I'm pretty sure that when one of their kind is cut off from their partner they usually don't wind up stranded among a primitive species for millennia and then start racking up a rapidly (decade by decade) escalating sequence of tiberium-fueled war crimes. It's the kind of thing that's hard to explain away to the victims' descendants as "he wasn't himself," and I like to think they'd know that.
- Location
- Queensland, Australia
If you would reread what I wrote, you would see that not only do I call out the fact that we'd need a lot of STUs to make the most of the defensive capabilities we have, but I was wondering if there are techs to make our maximum possible durability better. Not more feasible to make.
Basically what you did here is go "we need to build an iron mine" when I'm going "so we have a whole lot of various ores here and have had a bunch of breakthroughs in extracting elements from them and mixing alloys together. But are there any elements or alloys we haven't worked out yet we can make using this selection of ores to make something harder to break?"
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- Outside the Box
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I hate doing development projects for things we have no interest in following up on to actually deploy. It means putting more unfinished things on our plate rather than finishing projects we already have, and it's a waste of dice if we sit around on the new projects long enough for them to get canceled. The GD-3 Deployment, for example, is at the absolute rock bottom of our priority list, and as a (Platform) rather than a (Tech) project, it's far more vulnerable to being timed out than other development actions.
Until such time as lasers can do the variety of capabilities railgun munitions allow for or until such time that those capabilities are no longer deemed important, they'll stay relevant. I think we almost had a focus shift to equipping lasers instead of railguns before we started developing and deploying the railgun munitions.
Best part of the GD-3 development is the whole thing over it increasing firepower for non-power armored troops vs Gana... and now it's just gathering dust when we'll be going in right next to the home of the Gana. Sure, the Bannerjees probably won't go after us with them given the treaty, but the Shah is right next to them and likely has built up a supply of the things and could probably buy more during Karachi.
Amusingly, if we knocked out the first three GD-3 phases, we could leave the last two to DeptMunitions.
BentusaariQuest players screaming at the double nat 1s they rolled on the most recent first contact =P
"So to sum this up - they have Bentusi worldship designs and some kind of divergent evolution shipminds, transponder codes and most but not all of the ship's visible systems corresponding to the Visitors, transuranic alloys that this level of civilization could only have derived from tiberium infection, and element zero signatures, but they don't have warp core signatures, and they're trying to communicate with us by modulating what appears to be a fragment of a dead Bentusi shipmind?
Can we just leave to another galactic sector?"
Can we just leave to another galactic sector?"
- Location
- Africa
I am pretty sure the six to seven digit plus body count that can be explicitly laid at Kane's feet in no uncertain terms over the course of decades of atrocities and war is well beyond the point were it can be excused or justified away with a plea of insanity or poor mental and emotional health excuse , being insane is not a get out of jail free card nor can it mitigate away the sheer body count Kane has accrued
We can't lay every tiberium crisis death at Kane's feet. None of the information we have suggests he had anything to do with tiberium coming to Earth. Humanity is also responsible for its own actions in spreading the infection of tiberium, which we would have done even if Kane had never come to this world, and even though Kane had a better idea of just how serious the problem was.
Furthermore, even modern GDI appears to admit that early GDI was partially responsible for driving people right into Kane's arms. He was not so widely followed without a reason. Some of those reasons were terrible. Others were close to necessary, as I understand the history of it.
I do think he's guilty of a great deal even considering that his mind was violently ripped in half, though we still don't have the full story. If you believe Kane's word, him and Abel were apparently jetting across the galaxy trying to save whole civilizations from the Visitors.
Furthermore, even modern GDI appears to admit that early GDI was partially responsible for driving people right into Kane's arms. He was not so widely followed without a reason. Some of those reasons were terrible. Others were close to necessary, as I understand the history of it.
I do think he's guilty of a great deal even considering that his mind was violently ripped in half, though we still don't have the full story. If you believe Kane's word, him and Abel were apparently jetting across the galaxy trying to save whole civilizations from the Visitors.
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- Africa
Humanity had the excuse of ignorance them being planet bound primitives who didn't have all the facts , Kane knew exactly what tiberium was and how dangerous it is , yet he proceeded to found a cult that outright worships it , propagates its spread and had deadly and malicious practices like tiberium divination , there were also the times he spread in truly awe inspiring global scale disasters of his own making like the Australian red zone which was 100% him deciding to blow up a GDI liquid tib research site to 'send a message' or the Balkans red zone which is mostly the temple prime liquid tib detonation he orchestrated which was big enough for the mushroom cloud to streak beyond the atmosphere
Oh, it's been mentioned that if the Bentusaari did show up, they'd likely take Kane and put him in whatever they have which corresponds to involuntary confinement for a very long time.
But I don't think another round of discussion beating the dead horse of "what does Kane deserve, and how much of that will he actually get?" will be productive.
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- Mid-Atlantic
Yes. The trouble is that the first three GD-3 phases are, collectively, an 840-point megaproject. One that will probably require 10-11 dice to complete.
Given our other commitments, Ground Force can't reasonably expect to get more than about, oh, something like 24-32 dice worth of projects done in a given Plan. And when Ground Force was asked which was more important, that or power armor, they said "power armor." And getting them that is a very sizeable megaproject in its own right.
Had Kane decided to just not be a power-hungry megalomaniac who structured his big secret society in a way that would turn it violent, the vast majority of the tiberium deaths would have been preventable.
Beyond which, his personal body count, considering only people who died directly as a consequence of things he ordered done in so many words, is easily up into the hundreds of millions.
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
- Location
- USG Ishimura
The GD-3 would get more attention if it was a greater step forward in handheld weapons. Unfortunately, it's competing with lasers, sonics, railguns, power armor, drones, stealth fields, an STU printer, super fire and particle weapons. Really doesn't have the chutzpah to stand out in that crowd.
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- Mid-Atlantic
I'm honestly surprised the project is that big, compared to some of our early rollouts. Yes, we make a lot of rifles, but the factory equipment to make a rifle is just not that complex, and even if we're retooling everything there shouldn't be a need to completely tear apart the existing plants and start over.
And you don't need heavy industrial forgings or lots of unique finicky electronics to make a rifle, either.
By the standards of what we usually do it seems most similar to a Consumer Goods factory network, and we regularly meet global demand for a particular type of product with something more like a 200-400pt project.
And you don't need heavy industrial forgings or lots of unique finicky electronics to make a rifle, either.
By the standards of what we usually do it seems most similar to a Consumer Goods factory network, and we regularly meet global demand for a particular type of product with something more like a 200-400pt project.
- Location
- The Underdark
Because the project is genuinely not that big. It is something where you have a scaling of how much of the army you want to equip, and how fast you want them kitted out. A single phase gets the pointy bits, and everyone else has to wait a while. Full deployment is retiring the GD-2 before the end of the decade.