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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition

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One would think that at this stage, any grant would come with massive caveats and restrictions. Things like "Everything you own, can and will be nationalized when needed" or "History of being a Nod sympathizer disallows you from participating in the program". Perhaps having to use GDI security for facilities that begin producing strategic materials or handle tiberium. Can't say that the idea of private security seems very trustworthy in a world that has Nod in it, after all.
 
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I dont mind cooperatives

But sur3 as hell i support free trade and free market

Tho big scale cooperatives on the context of a market economy are perfectly doable as showed by the mondragon cooperative in spain wich employs up to 80k people and has presence across several countries

Having a automatoc uptick of consumer goods wouñd be a major boon
 
I'm in favor of setting up something of a private business sector... well-regulated, of course. And not so large that it can provide a significant power base, hopefully.
Mostly because I don't like too much micromanaging.
 
Lightwhispers said:
I'm in favor of setting up something of a private business sector... well-regulated, of course. And not so large that it can provide a significant power base, hopefully.
Mostly because I don't like too much micromanaging.
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That's my thought too. An economy is like an engine. You've either got private or public sources of resources, but regardless, once fuel is put in, the economy should process that fuel and kick it down the line to products on shelf absent our direct intervention. We'll eventually have to allot dice to building whichever bueracracy is needed to manage whatever system we kludge together. But it should get to the point where consumer, and luxury goods increase on their own to fulfill whatever the people are in demand of at the moment off screen, with the caveat that should another crisis emerge they made need to be retooled to serve a war/crisis.
 
I'm all for a well-regulated private industry I firmly believe that the government shouldn't handle everything but I'm also aware that going gung ho on capitalisms isn't great either a middle ground is needed here.
 
Ithillid said:
If you are willing to empower a handful of effectively Zaibatsus or Chaebols, not all that long/much. However they will wield significant amounts of power and can make your life very difficult. On the other hand, if you are looking at a more diversified/equality driven portfolio where you are spreading the wealth around, and focusing on small businesses or cooperatives, it will take longer, but you will also hold a lot more of the high ground. Similarly, things like tax policy and degree of regulation will both influence how your private economy develops.
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Conglomerates a shit, babushka capitalism and worker owned means of production is based and redpilled.

I didn't know we'd get to set policy that way, we should totally hand out grants at some point, and soonish while we still have leeway and a comparative moderate is still in charge. IIRC party leadership rolls are a-coming, and our total disdain for the market might theoretically radicalize the FMP.

The FMP wants a free market? We'll give them one, all right.
 
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aeiou! said:
I didn't know we'd get to set policy that way,
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Nearly every central bank and treasury has had some of that power. Who gets the money, who gets regulatory aid and who gets touched by the long arm of the law. You will, of course, not be the only voice in the debates, but at the same time you will be a voice that even people who don't like you much will listen to.
Twiggierjet said:
I wonder, after NOD is defeated, or at least rendered not that much of a threat, how much internal power struggles will GDI face?
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Likely quite substantial. It is something where on the one hand GDI is broadly popular. For large parts of the world, especially after a victory, GDI is what kept them alive, brought wealth and art and culture to the region. On the other hand, there is a lot where there are fundamental disconnections within GDI society over what the future is supposed to look like, which will break wide open if you actually win.
 
Twiggierjet said:
I wonder, after NOD is defeated, or at least rendered not that much of a threat, how much internal power struggles will GDI face? It is not yet so established that other alternatives have been forgotten, and as such likely relied on a degree of motivating people through fear of an external enemy. I am quite interested to see how the internal factions will form when that happens.
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The thing with Nod is, even if you defeat them all, everyone's gonna be nervous for at least a couple of decades after the corpse stops twitching, in case they're faking it.

And even then people will get jumpy every time they see a bald man with a goatee.
 
Ithillid said:
Likely quite substantial. It is something where on the one hand GDI is broadly popular. For large parts of the world, especially after a victory, GDI is what kept them alive, brought wealth and art and culture to the region. On the other hand, there is a lot where there are fundamental disconnections within GDI society over what the future is supposed to look like, which will break wide open if you actually win.
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One conflict I immediately see is whether if things should return to how they were pre-Tiberium. Cause we have some nation untouched like the nordic countries, Japan, and the British isles. Then you have some nations that are complete red zones like Turkey, Italy, and the Balkans. There might be a debate that GDI stays as a sort of anti-tiberium force that all the countries contribute funding to. Of course it's 2053 and the old order was destroyed a long time ago that only the elder generations remember. Most people have known only GDI rule their whole lives. So of course then you'll have people who push GDI to offically stay as the world government. It'll certainly be a mess.
 
trooperist said:
One conflict I immediately see is whether if things should return to how they were pre-Tiberium. Cause we have some nation untouched like the nordic countries, Japan, and the British isles. Then you have some nations that are complete red zones like Turkey, Italy, and the Balkans. There might be a debate that GDI stays as a sort of anti-tiberium force that all the countries contribute funding to. Of course it's 2053 and the old order was destroyed a long time ago that only the elder generations remember. Most people have known only GDI rule their whole lives. So of course then you'll have people who push GDI to offically stay as the world government. It'll certainly be a mess.
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Also alien invasions are apparently a thing, so that's something to consider.
 
Derpmind said:
I'd think one of the biggest questions is if and how to bring back the old pre-Tiberium governments. Though most country's entire territories are still covered by Tiberium...
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With this there are a lot of practical issues. The big three are that.
1. Nearly all of the former countries that either actually collapsed, or don't have a continuity of government measure, which means that most governments will have to start from scratch.
2. Tiberium brought with it massive population displacements. People from all over South America were driven into the Chilean blue Zones for example. Who among them gets the government that they want, and who gets a government imposed on them that does not represent their history?
3. What is the status of human rights? Antidiscrimination? Federal system for the world government? and all of the other elements which are thorny issues that existed for GDI before the collapse of the states.
 
trooperist said:
One conflict I immediately see is whether if things should return to how they were pre-Tiberium. Cause we have some nation untouched like the nordic countries, Japan, and the British isles. Then you have some nations that are complete red zones like Turkey, Italy, and the Balkans. There might be a debate that GDI stays as a sort of anti-tiberium force that all the countries contribute funding to. Of course it's 2053 and the old order was destroyed a long time ago that only the elder generations remember. Most people have known only GDI rule their whole lives. So of course then you'll have people who push GDI to offically stay as the world government. It'll certainly be a mess.
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i rather just take the GDI as world government

after the tiberium fiasco,nod and the fact aliens do exist,first steps into space colonization etc
there is no singular country that can stand those threaths on its own

so instead i would reccomend that the GDI government de-militarizes and reforms into a more civilian focused one (with a constitution,administrative borders etc),forming a sort of ''world federation'' with each remaining nation having a degree of self administration and a parlament for the whole world when big decisions are needed

aeiou! said:
Conglomerates a shit, babushka capitalism and worker owned means of production is based and redpilled.

I didn't know we'd get to set policy that way, we should totally hand out grants at some point, and soonish while we still have leeway and a comparative moderate is still in charge. IIRC party leadership rolls are a-coming, and our total disdain for the market might theoretically radicalize the FMP.

The FMP wants a free market? We'll give them one, all right.
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i want free market and if is done through work democracy then even better
 
We have been guilty of ignoring the metaphorical giant elephant in the room of the Scrin returning with a real invasion. The Scrin forces fought in the Third Tiberium War were mostly an unprepared mining force and the Scrin Overlord is preparing a full invasion. Even with the most optimistic take that the Scrin have never actually invaded a world before where the indigenous civilization has not already collapsed due to tiberium spread and that humanity has already fought off the most advanced and nastiest Scrin sects (Reaper-17 and Traveler-59), we would be fighting a technological superior civilization that has unknown numbers and technology humanity does not fully understand. Even if the second Scrin invasion is simply the Overlord shoving more Traveler and Reapers sects through Threshold 19 or launching them from beyond Neptune's orbit armed with the same tech humanity has already encountered, we are not prepared.

A big problem is that we do not know when, where, and if the second Scrin invasion will come. It is not politically viable for GDI to spend all its resources preparing for the Scrin when Nod is a more immediate threat and the GDI population has crisis fatigue and desires a return to the pre-war living situation. It is sort of like the threat of nuclear war during the Cold War. It is a massive looming threat that could strike at any time but it is also something most people and politicians ignore in their day to day lives and planning.
 
And it's a threat of which not much can be done about anyways.
 
Ithillid said:
tax policy
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At the moment, the full extent of our tax policy is "Sure would be nice if there was an economy we could tax for more Resources, but we're too busy putting out fires to support one right now."

We can speculate, but we're going to have to see how an economy actually develops before we can start planning in-depth about it.
 
Rivalnator said:
Rightly so. I have absolutely zero faith in the chances of Kane staying dead. At absolute best, we can cripple Nod hard enough to kick Kane's next move outside of the quest's timeframe.
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I mean, even if we, like... roll a natural 100 on our "did your successful kill team that already passed several rolls to reach this point actually succeed in killing Kane" check and had the body, or hell, had the man himself in a prison cell where we could watch him...

Fuck, who in the world would just accept that we'd succeeded? It'd be decades before anyone dared to believe it!
 
TBH I expect if we're actually on the verge of defeating Nod for good, I expect he'd probably resort to cutting a deal with GDI for humanity's survival, either with the plans for the TCN or information on when the Scrin are coming back. Or some other deal attractive enough that it'd outweigh the benefits of getting rid of Nod.
 
Arcus said:
TBH I expect if we're actually on the verge of defeating Nod for good, I expect he'd probably resort to cutting a deal with GDI for humanity's survival, either with the plans for the TCN or information on when the Scrin are coming back. Or some other deal attractive enough that it'd outweigh the benefits of getting rid of Nod.
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At that point we'll have started rolling back tiberium as hard as we can, and if he mentions the Scrin? Well that's confirmation that they'll come back and we should keep funding the military., which we were gonna do anyway because aliens.

All in all, fuck any deals with Kane, just kill.
 
Simon_Jester said:
I mean, even if we, like... roll a natural 100 on our "did your successful kill team that already passed several rolls to reach this point actually succeed in killing Kane" check and had the body, or hell, had the man himself in a prison cell where we could watch him...
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Honestly, if we captured Kane and had him in a prison cell I'd be worried that it was a "Sauron captured by the Numenoreans" kinda deal.
 
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