Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
KnightDisciple
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I believe that @Ithillid just incorporated the race specifically rather than the setting wholesale. There's been some chatter (at least in the Discord) about how even though we've "locked in" to an ME crossover (the vote way back when about what the "miracle material" we found on Mars was), we might see races from other franchises show up along with their culture and some tech.
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More just references than anything else. Names are hard.
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Yeah, and if Kane wanted just a spaceship to leave, he clearly could build one now. I think we need to see what's happening in Karachi sooner than later.
Afterall, Cabal was the first instance of a shipmind attempt, and my impression of Kane is that his preferred shipmind for leaving Earth is rather capable:
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Also, when he did get a highly competent, fairly moral, non crazy subordinate he ruined his relationship with her because Kilian Qatar was loyal to Nod the nation-state, rather than Nod the doomsday cult or Nod the cult of personality. Kane's plans for the 3rd Tiberium War were ruined because Kilian Qatar fulfilled her duties as the acting Commander in Chief of Nod to protect the citizen's under her aegis instead of sacrificing them for the personal goals of the leadership.
And isn't that an utterly damming indictment of Kane?
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But we're managing to build some really nifty things out of the wreckage of the cop car!
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That's not something Ithillid got wrong. Remember that the ancient proto-Israelites had thousands of years to take bits and pieces of the stories a confused and grieving Kane told them and integrate them into myths. You can't assume those myths are accurate to what Kane actually did.
That's also not something Ithillid got wrong. He couldn't reasonably be expected to sketch out every thing Kane did in all of history, and I don't recall Kane ever mentioning Kropotkin, so for all I know the two never met.
At his orders, no less. His exact words in one of the Tiberian Dawn missions: "Nuke them."
But the point I'm making is that if Kane had let more people know more about tiberium, both among his own followers and in the wider world, a lot of pain could have been prevented. He didn't have to create a situation where GDI believed itself to be in a war to the knife with him personally such that they would make blowing him up a priority... Which was in turn the point at which all his plans became totally derailed because he was helpless to prevent tiberium from rendering Earth nigh-uninhabitable by the time he came to as a cyborg in a bunker.
I mean, that was part of Kane's plan frankly. Sure, GDI taking down all but one tower was not as planned but just one tower is enough, with some assembly required to build other control nodes, to pull off a TCN network.But we're managing to build some really nifty things out of the wreckage of the cop car!
I'm pretty sure Kane wanted Scrin wrecks to loot for tech too.
Wasnt around that vote but what were other options we could have picked?
Also does that means Tactius is some manner of backup memory core Kane picked up from Abels wreck?
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The Tactius is one part of Abel's brain. One of sixteen.
KnightDisciple
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Good thing we didn't break it!
.....Not really? Kane was blatantly playing a long game, content to wait anther couple thousand years. Until Tiberium. THEN it was "oh shit oh fuck".
Yeah the modern GDI of the 2060's at least is in a strategic position where "I give you a big pile of tech and agree to fuck off forever, you build me a spaceship so I can fuck off forever" is a pretty good deal for us. We want Kane gone, he wants to be gone, we can really help each other out here. The Initiative of 1995 probably not, but after a few generations of selection pressures removing most of the capitalism and nationalism we're basically what he's wanted for centuries anyways. I'm sure he'll publicly spin it as actually all according to keikaku, forcing the GDI to become what he needed in a genius set of 7-dimensional chess moves, but really it sounds like he's been fucking up for the better part of a century at minimum and just happened to luck into the GDI becoming what he needed mostly thanks to our decisions, not his.
KnightDisciple
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At which specific point in time?
Also worth noting that time he decided to massacre a village of innocent people in tw1 with a stolen Orca so he could blame GDI.
I doubt Kane particularly values human life tbh. He needs humanity to exist so he can get his spaceship and he'd probably prefer we were somewhat reasonable but i figure he's perfectly fine sacrificing all of us if it gets him what he wants
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It is something that was built by the Brotherhood of Nod in the dying months of the First Tiberium War.
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Honestly, I think he had a reasonable chance of pulling it off in the '90s when he still had global influence because the Brotherhood was in "not all warlord assholes" mode, when tiberium was new, and when he could have consolidated power in a single region and gotten enough status that the rest of the world couldn't just casually bully him.
Or in 2027, because at that point GDI basically saw Nod as dead, but the atmosphere was about to kill everyone and the only hope for fixing the atmosphere was, apparently, through One Neat Trick that even GDI was able to figure out by looking at the Tacitus. Given the situation GDI faced at the time, they were probably about as desperate as in canon 2062, and Kane had a reasonable shot of approaching them on the same terms, I suspect.
I'm guessing the other parts (or the vast majority of them) aren't still around (or were already integrated into CABAL or LEGION), given how hard Kane has been trying to keep his hands on that part.
But it would explain his seeming genuine concern that GDI might break it.
Nah, Kane planned to take ALL the towers. Then he would have already had a TCN, could have played Earth's tiberium deposits like a violin, and would have been able to fairly quickly get everything going the way he wanted.
He's spent the past ten years or so trying to figure out how to jury-rig a TCN from one Scrin tower plus a bunch of shit he'd have to build. And given that he's clearly got a lot of inhibitions about just telling anyone what he's doing, he knows he can't do it himself without conquering the world, and his repeated failed attempts to conquer the world are why he's currently on Plan I.
Well, he kind of needs an interstellar ship, and one that can last him for millennia, which implies a lot about its onboard industrial and self-maintenance ability.
That's the kind of thing he might actually need a planetwide industrial base for. Especially since he doesn't have a supercomputer full of advanced alien tech directly wired into his brain, and so is having to reverse-engineer and remember the tech he needs and how to produce it using a semi-Earthly tech base. It'd be a big project.
Even counting each broad goal as a plan, and everything prior to 1995 as one plan because he was just generically working in a vaguely uplifty direction with presumably no real specific hope of getting a ship within a single human lifetime...
Plan A: Sort of generally uplift the world gradually [tiberium arrives]
Plan B: Crap. Consolidate a tiberium-industrial base in the Third World, quickly [hires assholes]
Plan C: Crap. My subordinates picked a fight with GDI. Welp, time to conquer the world [is ionized]
Plan D: Crap crap crap. World's like three years from imploding. Best I can come up with is to scrape together CABAL, turn everyone into tiberium mutants, buy time to build my spaceship, and get the hell out. [is shot repeatedly by Michael McNeil, Borgified further by CABAL]
Plan E: Crap. Okay, GDI managed to save the atmosphere while I was unconscious through no effort on my part, so I can still salvage this. I just need to blow up a few hundred megatons of liquid tiberium to summon the fucking Visitors to attack Earth, then I'll hijack their tiberium control grid to build a worldwide industrial base to build my spaceship... [is attacked BY HIS OWN FORCES and concussed by a giant explosion, Killian reacts to alien invasion by fighting the aliens]
Plan F: Crap. Okay, shoot Killian, attempt plan with remaining forces [does not have enough remaining forces]
Plan G: Crap crapity crap. Okay, I have one tower. But I need to look up some shit on Space Wikipedia so I can design my own tiberium control grid that works with... one of the towers. Then when GDI gets desperate and is overrun by tiberium, I'll use my superior technology and remaining loyal warlords to negotiate- [Granger Grangers]
Plan H: My loyal warlords will- [warlords get their asses kicked]
Plan I: Fuuuuu-
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You are assuming I care about the motives of someone who was more than willing to slaughter all but a scant few 'lucky' survivors in the name of his own ambitions.
Kane is a monster, a monster who might at one time had respectable intentions, but one who has either deliberately, inadvertently, or intended on killing more humans than every other hated warlord put together. The only reason enabling him is on the table is unlike those warlords he doesn't actually want to rule humanity. He's a killer that has spat on everything his better half seemingly ever believed. Who feels next to nothing at consigning us all to oblivion if it's his best way forward.
KnightDisciple
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What do you think is/was in the tomb under the Egyptian Temple of NOD?
You're allowed to take that train of though.
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To be fair, he was tricked into shooting Killian, but from the newest update he was not too broken up about it either.
...and this gave us Qatarists, who helped us a lot with managing tiberium, supporting your point that Kane being a control freak who mostly disregards the monkeys is the root of much of his problems.
...this is less a train of thought, and more facts as presented to us by QM.
Kane absolutely sees himself as being worth more than the whole of humanity.
In a very literal choice between himself and all of humanity he chose himself.
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KnightDisciple
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Is it? Is the statement "Kane is a monster" "facts as presented to us by QM"?