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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition

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Crazy7s1 said:
It sure is gonna be fun when we body slam Nod India when we build Karachi.
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inb4 we don't actually have all that much of a fight when building Karachi, just a wave of rabbit-Gana with switchblades who have been told GDI is a bunch of telemarketers.
Happerry said:
I assume we can't abuse this to get more Nod tech to loot even without any actual desire to annihilation the Yellow Zones (except through the measure of turning them into Blue Zones).
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No, we can't. Because this is basically NOD getting a roll on the GDI gacha table.

Because Ithillid (and others, including myself) are getting really fucking tired of people saying "Hey, howabout we do something that's both stupid and unethical, all at once."
Or at least, that's my interpretation.
 
I'll stick to advocating the annihilation of the Yellow and Red Zones by joint fleets of massed GDI and Nod harvesters. Because, really, I'm glad they've made their first Cyan Zone and I very much hope to see more. Even if it does mean they stop feeling squeezed between us and Tib, it'll save a lot more innocent lives.
 
MightbeaMimic said:
Except Nod isn't ideologically opposed to tiberium in the same way that GDI is.
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They are not that is true, but now NOD has another counter to the line of thought of only the GDI can stop Tiberium. It is just another factor in the propaganda war. It is no massive blow to the GDI identity or anything but it is worth noting.

As the treasury, we have a perfect counter. Dumping more resources into abatement so we can show who does it better. Luckily I believe we were already planning to do that so this just gives us another reason to do so.
 
I would totally welcome a 'war' with Nod to see who can contain tiberium the best and fastest.

Now we just need Kane to bring the party favors Tacitus...

Eldon said:
On one hand, this is a very good thing for the future of the world. On the other hand, this does help NOD and may soften the propaganda blow of losing the regency war by showing the GDI is not the only one who can push back Tiberium.

Still a net positive for humanity so I feel it's overall good news.
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India didn't actually lose the Regency War in any meaningful sense. They're participating, in the sense of "exerting light pressure on BZ-18 via the Himalayas," but trying to fight really significant battles on the Roof of the World is a losing proposition and they know it, so they're mostly just in it with expendable forces to try and get a sense for how their current lineup stacks up against ours.

My impression is that in terms of the Regency War, Nod India's kind of been tooling along in the back, watching the other Nod warlords and being all like:

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Ithillid said:
Also, new policy, every time someone advocates the anhillation of the Yellow Zones, @KnightDisciple gets a free roll for what new tech the Brotherhood gets.
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Any chance we could get that pinned up somewhere that it's visible on every post? Because the problem is usually a drive-by shooting by someone who's not a core discussion participant and will probably forget or never learn that this rule was a thing.

Lightwhispers said:
inb4 we don't actually have all that much of a fight when building Karachi, just a wave of rabbit-Gana with switchblades who have been told GDI is a bunch of telemarketers.
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Oh God no.

Ain't nobody got that many Holy Hand Grenades of Antioch.
 
Ithillid said:
Also, new policy, every time someone advocates the anhillation of the Yellow Zones, @KnightDisciple gets a free roll for what new tech the Brotherhood gets.
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I do appreciate the intent here, but I don't think it's fair or productive to punish the entire thread for the random idiots who parachute in to express their genocidal tendencies, especially since they're unlikely to have read this post and/or won't care that they run afoul of it. (At worst, this can result in the thread communally lashing out at those who caused said punishment. Not saying it'd happen here, but I've seen it before. And it's not pretty.)

IMO, the best way to stop this kind of discussion is to: 1. Outright ban it, and 2. Threadban those who insist on violating point #1. Punish bad actors directly, not everyone standing near them.
 
Lightwhispers said:
Because Ithillid (and others, including myself) are getting really fucking tired of people saying "Hey, howabout we do something that's both stupid and unethical, all at once."
Or at least, that's my interpretation.
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Mainly I was trying to make a sarcastic joke about how bad my first thought when I read the post actually probably was instead of really thinking that was realistically a good idea.
 
Alo357 said:
I'll stick to advocating the annihilation of the Yellow and Red Zones by joint fleets of massed GDI and Nod harvesters. Because, really, I'm glad they've made their first Cyan Zone and I very much hope to see more. Even if it does mean they stop feeling squeezed between us and Tib, it'll save a lot more innocent lives.
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I see you like to live dangerously.
 
Simon_Jester said:
Any chance we could get that pinned up somewhere that it's visible on every post? Because the problem is usually a drive-by shooting by someone who's not a core discussion participant and will probably forget or never learn that this rule was a thing.
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Ithillid could ask a mod to put a message to the bottom of the thread. Divided Loyalties has the following warning above the post box on every page, for example:
I am bringing down the heat in this thread. I understand that some people get emotional about votes and about their consequences. But I want to be clear. If your post contains a personal attack on another poster or on other posters generally, you will receive an infraction and a 3-month threadban.
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Derpmind said:
I do appreciate the intent here, but I don't think it's fair or productive to punish the entire thread for the random idiots who parachute in to express their genocidal tendencies, especially since they're unlikely to have read this post and/or won't care that they run afoul of it. (At worst, this can result in the thread communally lashing out at those who caused said punishment. Not saying it'd happen here, but I've seen it before. And it's not pretty.)

IMO, the best way to stop this kind of discussion is to: 1. Outright ban it, and 2. Threadban those who insist on violating point #1. Punish bad actors directly, not everyone standing near them.
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@Ithillid

In fairness, she does have a point here. I can't really believe that Solar Saiyan has actually been paying much attention to the thread discussion. If he honestly believes Nod is winning, he hasn't been paying much attention to the main sequence updates, let alone the Informational sideposts. Having something like this is a good idea if you have longtimers who won't shut up about it and for whatever reason can't ban them, but it doesn't do much when any idiot can show up at any time and just mouth off in ignorance of the rules.

Derpmind said:
Ithillid could ask a mod to put a message to the bottom of the thread. Divided Loyalties has the following warning above the post box on every page, for example:
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Yeah, that's what I meant to suggest. I said 'post' instead of 'page,' but that was what I was asking for.
 
Well, I guess we know where India's capital is now. Good news, Karachi does not seem to be too close to what could be considered their heartlands. Risk of WMD use from India lower. Of course, on the other side of Karachi is the Shah of the Atom, so I guess we're just breaking even on the risks?

"We at the Treasury applaud the recent discovery of a Blue Zone equivalent in India. While ideologically different from us, it is good to see that at least part of Nod understands that keeping citizens safe and healthy is best for all. Given that they stole at least some of the tech they likely used for that from us, you're welcome for the ability to have healthier, safer citizens."

Simon_Jester said:
My impression is that in terms of the Regency War, Nod India's kind of been tooling along in the back, watching the other Nod warlords and being all like:
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Shah of the Atom: "Do you think it'll work?"
India: "It'll take a miracle."
 
Ithillid said:
Yeah, you make good points, I was just getting very frustrated with the resurgence of an argument I thought we had left behind a long time ago.
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Oh, I get you.

"I've been teaching these kids not to do that for ten years and they still do it!"

The pain and frustration is real.

The best bet is to just take anyone with a salty "why are we letting _______ happen" attitude and ban them, if you ask me. It's always a warning sign of worse to come, and it would have worked here.
 
Ithillid said:
Also, new policy, every time someone advocates the anhillation of the Yellow Zones, @KnightDisciple gets a free roll for what new tech the Brotherhood gets.
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Sees new policy
"We must destroy the Yellow Zones! It's the only way to- is shot

Aww... I just wanted to balance things out a bit considering how much we've scored thanks to Mod Gacha Rolls. It's starting to feel a bit too unfair. Sure, I'm all for things being unfair because that's how you win (or lose badly, it depends on what you are trying for) but there is a certain point at which things lose most of the challenge. And we're kind of there with Nod to a degree.

I mean, there's still the mess that Kane himself is going to cause, the Scrin and the barely hidden monster in the corner that is Tiberium (well, the non-surface tiberium at least) but those are different elements. Not the Nod Warlords themselves. Though we can only hope that Stahl's successes leading to distribution help some, it's not going to offset how badly we've hurt their industry in terms of resetting them back to 'baseline'. Which means they're worse off than they were before the Regency War whilst we're positioned to jump into a new generation of gear better than the currently much modified and refit generation.

And before anyone argues about Kane helping level that out whenever he shows up, I'm specifically taking him out of account because him showing up is always meant to give Nod the 'rare but present Elites' element which allows them to swing so hard against GDI. But Nod themselves are at least meant to be enough of a challenge that GDI can't just roll over them without bringing out the strategic weapons.
 
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Its the nature of quests on a forum, you get new people diving in and restarting old arguments- best I have seen is a FAQ and just point them to the FAQ and if they keep pushing fairly sure that is an infraction
 
Pyro Hawk said:
Sees new policy
"We must destroy the Yellow Zones! It's the only way to- is shot

Aww... I just wanted to balance things out a bit considering how much we've scored thanks to Mod Gacha Rolls.
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Don't joke about it, okay? It's NOT FUNNY.

It's starting to feel a bit too unfair. Sure, I'm all for things being unfair because that's how you win (or lose badly, it depends on what you are trying for) but there is a certain point at which things lose most of the challenge. And we're kind of there with Nod to a degree.

I mean, there's still the mess that Kane himself is going to cause, the Scrin and the barely hidden monster in the corner that is Tiberium (well, the non-surface tiberium at least) but those are different elements. Not the Nod Warlords themselves. Though we can only hope that Stahl's successes leading to distribution help some, it's not going to offset how badly we've hurt their industry in terms of resetting them back to 'baseline'. Which means they're worse off than they were before the Regency War whilst we're positioned to jump into a new generation of gear better than the currently much modified and refit generation.
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I strongly disagree. First, Nod's gonna keep innovating. Second, Kane can release better tech at any time, and as we saw with the favors he's done for Bintang and Reynaldo, even a few items from his bag of goodies can revitalize a Nod warlord's efforts.

Furthermore, we've scored almost all the easy victories there are left to score. Most of Nod's warlords have been pushed back to the point where nuclear retaliation is likely if we push them any farther.

Phht said:
Well, I guess we know where India's capital is now. Good news, Karachi does not seem to be too close to what could be considered their heartlands. Risk of WMD use from India lower. Of course, on the other side of Karachi is the Shah of the Atom, so I guess we're just breaking even on the risks?

"We at the Treasury applaud the recent discovery of a Blue Zone equivalent in India. While ideologically different from us, it is good to see that at least part of Nod understands that keeping citizens safe and healthy is best for all. Given that they stole at least some of the tech they likely used for that from us, you're welcome for the ability to have healthier, safer citizens."

Shah of the Atom: "Do you think it'll work?"
India: "It'll take a miracle."
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If we're lucky...

The Atomic Shah may actually be looking at how things are turning out for the Caravanserai and considering cutting a deal with us the same way they did. After all, his territory is on the short list of "most threatened by Red Zones," to the point where I'm pretty sure most of what was his core territory is already overrun by them.
 
Ithillid said:
Yeah, you make good points, I was just getting very frustrated with the resurgence of an argument I thought we had left behind a long time ago.
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You have my sympathy but I will say that the ratio of people advocating it verses those going cool motive still genocide was very lop sided. You can and should have high standards for thread behavior but this wasn't a mass of people chanting for the nuke hammer.

Unrelated while I'm glad it's not happening imagine @NickAragua thread after like a turn or two here? It would've been hilarious.

His balance would be basically the last mission from Halo: Reach and the PC Violet would have been a Nod warbride. It would've been crazy.
 
Man, if only we could tell the military to send in commandos to cause Havoc *pun intended* in Nod's territories to disrupt their operations. Fair is fair, they get assassination rolls against us.
 
That's actually something I wanted to ask, what are requirements for NOD to Roll On the GDI gatcha and what is exactly on ours anyway? Could NOD replace assassination attempts with trying to roll the GDI gatcha machine? That might be cool and nice break from the rolling character deaths we don't need.

But it does bring up the question on how many rolls on our gatcha is worth not losing a character every 2 or so turns?
 
staplesdex2 said:
Man, if only we could tell the military to send in commandos to cause Havoc *pun intended* in Nod's territories to disrupt their operations. Fair is fair, they get assassination rolls against us.
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We're doing/have done that. We previously got a section about the steel talons and the Forgotten hitting nod supply lines and doing raids! We did a bombing run against some of Krukovs industry that we could hit. (we did, even get a direct ion cannon strike on a nod city not so long ago. And, it was begging us to please stop vaporising religious pilgrims convoys that got us into contact with the caravanserai even)

If we want more deep strikes against Nod though we need more elites. Which, at this point basically points down to more zone armour for special forces and elite infantry to operate deep in nods yellow and red zones. Along with a side of some steel talon gear so they can do that.

Zone armour isn't just good for infantry, and powerful on the defense against Gana and the like. It's also useful for attacking.
 
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staplesdex2 said:
Man, if only we could tell the military to send in commandos to cause Havoc *pun intended* in Nod's territories to disrupt their operations. Fair is fair, they get assassination rolls against us.
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You know the part where we have orbital doomlasers and moon bases and they don't?

Yeah. That whole "one side has shit the other doesn't" thing cuts both ways.

Image said:
That's actually something I wanted to ask, what are requirements for NOD to Roll On the GDI gatcha and what is exactly on ours anyway? Could NOD replace assassination attempts with trying to roll the GDI gatcha machine? That might be cool and nice break from the rolling character deaths we don't need.
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Nod does sometimes try to steal tech from us. They've done so repeatedly.

GDI tends to get Nod techs by reverse-engineering; Nod gets GDI techs by infiltration and theft. Both sides lean into their specialties.
 
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