- Pronouns
- He/It/Argh!
They built us a Bogatyr.
Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
1130/1130 Resources
6/7 Free dice
2061Q2 Draft Plan Civil Focus
Infrastructure (+34) 6/6 Dice 95 R
-[] Blue Zone Arcologies (Stage 4) 1/650 3 dice 45R
-[]Blue Zone Apartments (Stage 6?) 0/169 2 dice 20 R
-[] Suborbital Shuttle Service (Phase 1) 156/200 1 die 30R
Heavy Industry (+29) 5/5 Dice + 2 Free Die 170 R
-[]Continuous Cycle Fusion Plant (Phase 8) 243/300 1 die 20R 88%
-[] Crystal Beam Industrial Laser Deployment 0/600 5 dice 100R 2%
-[] Isolinear Chip Foundry Anadyr 258/320 1 dice 50R 83%
Light and Chemical Industry (+24) 5/5 Dice 55 R
-[] Chemical Fertilizer Plants (Phase 2) 276/300 1 die 15R 100%
-[] Civilian Drone Factories 104/380 3 dice 30R 24%
-[] Artificial Wood Development (New) 0/60 1 die 10R 85%
Agriculture (+24) 4/4 Dice + 1 Free Die + EREWHON 70 R
-[] Blue Zone Aquaponics Bays (Phase 4) 75/140 1 die 10R 75%
-[] Freeze Dried Food Plants 151/200 1 die 20R 100%
-[] Strategic Food Stockpile Construction (Phase 3+4) 86/375 3 dice 50R 16%
-[] Extra Large Food Stockpiles 1 E die auto
Tiberium (+39) 7/7+1 free Dice 270 R
[ ] Harvesting Tendril Deployment (Phase 2) 74/750 8 dice 270 R
Orbital (+26) 6/6 +2 Free Dice 160 R
-[] GDSS Enterprise (Phase 5) 348/1535 (7 Dice, 140 R)
-[] Lunar Rare Metals Harvesting (Phase 2) 11/125 (1 Die, 20 R) (28% chance of Phase 2)
Services (+27) 5/5 Dice 180R
-[] Pinhole Portal Early Primitive Prototype Construction 56/180 (1 Die, 100 R) (19% chance)
-[] Nod Research Initiatives (2 Dice, 60 R) (32% chance)
-[] Professional Sports Programs 102/250 (2 Dice, 20 R) (46% chance)
Military (+26) 8/8 Dice 130R
-[] Orbital Strike Regimental Combat Team Stations (Phase 3) 5/295 4 dice 80R 81%
-[] Mastodon Heavy Assault Walker Deployment (New) 2 dice 20R 9%
-[] Universal Rocket Launch System Deployment (Phase 3) 0/200 2 dice 30R 23%
Bureaucracy 4/4
6/7 Free dice
2061Q2 Draft Plan Civil Focus
Infrastructure (+34) 6/6 Dice 95 R
-[] Blue Zone Arcologies (Stage 4) 1/650 3 dice 45R
-[]Blue Zone Apartments (Stage 6?) 0/169 2 dice 20 R
-[] Suborbital Shuttle Service (Phase 1) 156/200 1 die 30R
Heavy Industry (+29) 5/5 Dice + 2 Free Die 170 R
-[]Continuous Cycle Fusion Plant (Phase 8) 243/300 1 die 20R 88%
-[] Crystal Beam Industrial Laser Deployment 0/600 5 dice 100R 2%
-[] Isolinear Chip Foundry Anadyr 258/320 1 dice 50R 83%
Light and Chemical Industry (+24) 5/5 Dice 55 R
-[] Chemical Fertilizer Plants (Phase 2) 276/300 1 die 15R 100%
-[] Civilian Drone Factories 104/380 3 dice 30R 24%
-[] Artificial Wood Development (New) 0/60 1 die 10R 85%
Agriculture (+24) 4/4 Dice + 1 Free Die + EREWHON 70 R
-[] Blue Zone Aquaponics Bays (Phase 4) 75/140 1 die 10R 75%
-[] Freeze Dried Food Plants 151/200 1 die 20R 100%
-[] Strategic Food Stockpile Construction (Phase 3+4) 86/375 3 dice 50R 16%
-[] Extra Large Food Stockpiles 1 E die auto
Tiberium (+39) 7/7+1 free Dice 270 R
[ ] Harvesting Tendril Deployment (Phase 2) 74/750 8 dice 270 R
Orbital (+26) 6/6 +2 Free Dice 160 R
-[] GDSS Enterprise (Phase 5) 348/1535 (7 Dice, 140 R)
-[] Lunar Rare Metals Harvesting (Phase 2) 11/125 (1 Die, 20 R) (28% chance of Phase 2)
Services (+27) 5/5 Dice 180R
-[] Pinhole Portal Early Primitive Prototype Construction 56/180 (1 Die, 100 R) (19% chance)
-[] Nod Research Initiatives (2 Dice, 60 R) (32% chance)
-[] Professional Sports Programs 102/250 (2 Dice, 20 R) (46% chance)
Military (+26) 8/8 Dice 130R
-[] Orbital Strike Regimental Combat Team Stations (Phase 3) 5/295 4 dice 80R 81%
-[] Mastodon Heavy Assault Walker Deployment (New) 2 dice 20R 9%
-[] Universal Rocket Launch System Deployment (Phase 3) 0/200 2 dice 30R 23%
Bureaucracy 4/4
- Location
- Wall Gazing
So something more along these lines?
And do something similar line for Purple Zones (NOD Blue Zones) if/when they appear.
- Location
- USA
1130 Income
1125 Used, 5 Open
[ ] Plan
Infra 6/6 90R +34
-[] Yellow Zone Fortress Towns (Phase 6) 220/300 1 die 20R 70%
-[] Blue Zone Apartment Complexes (Phase 6+7) 0/320 4 dice 40R 71%
-[] Suborbital Shuttle Service (Phase 1) 156/200 1 die 30R 100%
HI 5/5 +2 free 170R +29
-[] Continuous Cycle Fusion Plants (Phase 8) (Updated) 243/300 2 dice 40R 100%
-[] Crystal Beam Industrial Laser Deployment 51/600 4 dice 80R 0%
-[] Isolinear Chip Foundry Anadyr 258/320 1 die 50R 83%
LCI 5/5 135R +24
-[] Chemical Fertilizer Plants (Phase 2) 276/300 1 die 15R 100%
-[] Bergen Superconductor Foundry (Phase 3) 0/380 4 dice 120R 13%
Agri 4/4 +2 Free+1 AA +1 Erewhon 70R +24
-[] Security Review (Via Admin Assistance)
-[] Blue Zone Aquaponics Bays (Phase 4+5) 75/280 2 dice 20R 18% (100% for 4)
-[] Freeze Dried Food Plants 181/200 1 die 20R 100%
-[] Strategic Food Stockpile Construction (Phase 3+4) 85/375 3 die 30R 16% (100% for 3)
-[] Extra Large Food Stockpiles 1 Erewhon die auto
Tiberium 7/7 160R +39
-[] Red Zone Border Offensives (Stage 1) (Updated) 0/250 4 dice 100R 99%
-[] Tiberium Processing Refits (Phase 5) 6/100 1 die 20R 61%
-[] Improved Hewlett Gardener Process Development (New) 0/160 2 dice 40R 85%
Orbital 6/6 +2 free 160R +26
-[] GDSS Enterprise (Phase 5) 348/1535 7 dice 140R 0%
-[] Lunar Rare Metals Harvesting (Phase 2) 11/115 1 die 20R 38%
Services 5/5 180R +27
-[] Professional Sports Programs 102/250 2 dice 20R 70%
-[] Pinhole Portal Early Primitive Prototype Construction 56/180 1 die 100R 24%
-[] NOD Research Initiatives 0/200 2 dice 60R 32%
Military 8/8+ 1 free 160R +26
-[] Orbital Strike Regimental Combat Team Stations (Phase 3) 5/295 5 dice 100R 98%
-[] Universal Rocket Launch System Deployment (Phase 3) 0/200 2 dice 30R 23%
-[] Escort Carrier Shipyards (New York) 138/240? 1 die 20R 40%
-[] Mastodon Heavy Assault Walker Deployment 113/225 1 die 10R 30%
Bureau 4/4 +19
-[] Security Review (Agriculture) 2 dice + 1 Agri (from Admin Assistance) 100%
-[] Administrative Assistance (Sec Review Agri) 2 dice
Free 7/7
2 HI, 2 Agri 2 Orb 1 Mil
Plan Goals
Looking to Finish:
Complete Isolinear Chip Foundry Anadyr- 83%
Making Progress:
Complete at least one phase of Space Mines- 38%
Complete GDSS Enterprise- in progress (7 dice)
Consumer Goods: 6 Points - 4 points this turn
Food: 16 points in reserve -10+possible additional 2 this turn
Processing: 280 points 50 this turn
Complete OSRCT Phase 4- 98% for phase 3
Complete at least one more phase of URLS production- 23%
Complete last remaining Escort Carrier Shipyards- 40%?
Deploy Mastodon- 30%
Deploy Crystal Beam Industrial Laser- in progress (4 dice)
Future Turns:
ASAT Phase 4- Q3
Complete Karachi Planned City by end of Q4 2065 - next plan
Some early thoughts going for some min dice needed to finish several projects to save on dice if those pass with Q3 letting us finish them fairly easy. Mil puts progress with min dice needed to complete all plan goals except ASAT. 4 dice on crystal lasers to try and get some good progress so we don't have to overkill it Q4 plus it will help our energy out quite a bit. 2 free dice on agri projects, and using Erewhon to get the extra large stockpile up and an admin assistance for security review. With any luck we can pull ahead enough in agri, crystal laser and mil to move some free dice into orbital Q3 to push enterprise so we can start the gravitic drive bay without running the risk of falling short of plan goals.
Edit- flipped 2 dice from OSRCT to enterprise
Edit 2- dropped the 1 die tendril for a 4th on border offensives, keeping 5R for changes after Q1 results get posted
1125 Used, 5 Open
[ ] Plan
Infra 6/6 90R +34
-[] Yellow Zone Fortress Towns (Phase 6) 220/300 1 die 20R 70%
-[] Blue Zone Apartment Complexes (Phase 6+7) 0/320 4 dice 40R 71%
-[] Suborbital Shuttle Service (Phase 1) 156/200 1 die 30R 100%
HI 5/5 +2 free 170R +29
-[] Continuous Cycle Fusion Plants (Phase 8) (Updated) 243/300 2 dice 40R 100%
-[] Crystal Beam Industrial Laser Deployment 51/600 4 dice 80R 0%
-[] Isolinear Chip Foundry Anadyr 258/320 1 die 50R 83%
LCI 5/5 135R +24
-[] Chemical Fertilizer Plants (Phase 2) 276/300 1 die 15R 100%
-[] Bergen Superconductor Foundry (Phase 3) 0/380 4 dice 120R 13%
Agri 4/4 +2 Free+1 AA +1 Erewhon 70R +24
-[] Security Review (Via Admin Assistance)
-[] Blue Zone Aquaponics Bays (Phase 4+5) 75/280 2 dice 20R 18% (100% for 4)
-[] Freeze Dried Food Plants 181/200 1 die 20R 100%
-[] Strategic Food Stockpile Construction (Phase 3+4) 85/375 3 die 30R 16% (100% for 3)
-[] Extra Large Food Stockpiles 1 Erewhon die auto
Tiberium 7/7 160R +39
-[] Red Zone Border Offensives (Stage 1) (Updated) 0/250 4 dice 100R 99%
-[] Tiberium Processing Refits (Phase 5) 6/100 1 die 20R 61%
-[] Improved Hewlett Gardener Process Development (New) 0/160 2 dice 40R 85%
Orbital 6/6 +2 free 160R +26
-[] GDSS Enterprise (Phase 5) 348/1535 7 dice 140R 0%
-[] Lunar Rare Metals Harvesting (Phase 2) 11/115 1 die 20R 38%
Services 5/5 180R +27
-[] Professional Sports Programs 102/250 2 dice 20R 70%
-[] Pinhole Portal Early Primitive Prototype Construction 56/180 1 die 100R 24%
-[] NOD Research Initiatives 0/200 2 dice 60R 32%
Military 8/8+ 1 free 160R +26
-[] Orbital Strike Regimental Combat Team Stations (Phase 3) 5/295 5 dice 100R 98%
-[] Universal Rocket Launch System Deployment (Phase 3) 0/200 2 dice 30R 23%
-[] Escort Carrier Shipyards (New York) 138/240? 1 die 20R 40%
-[] Mastodon Heavy Assault Walker Deployment 113/225 1 die 10R 30%
Bureau 4/4 +19
-[] Security Review (Agriculture) 2 dice + 1 Agri (from Admin Assistance) 100%
-[] Administrative Assistance (Sec Review Agri) 2 dice
Free 7/7
2 HI, 2 Agri 2 Orb 1 Mil
Plan Goals
Looking to Finish:
Complete Isolinear Chip Foundry Anadyr- 83%
Making Progress:
Complete at least one phase of Space Mines- 38%
Complete GDSS Enterprise- in progress (7 dice)
Consumer Goods: 6 Points - 4 points this turn
Food: 16 points in reserve -10+possible additional 2 this turn
Processing: 280 points 50 this turn
Complete OSRCT Phase 4- 98% for phase 3
Complete at least one more phase of URLS production- 23%
Complete last remaining Escort Carrier Shipyards- 40%?
Deploy Mastodon- 30%
Deploy Crystal Beam Industrial Laser- in progress (4 dice)
Future Turns:
ASAT Phase 4- Q3
Complete Karachi Planned City by end of Q4 2065 - next plan
Some early thoughts going for some min dice needed to finish several projects to save on dice if those pass with Q3 letting us finish them fairly easy. Mil puts progress with min dice needed to complete all plan goals except ASAT. 4 dice on crystal lasers to try and get some good progress so we don't have to overkill it Q4 plus it will help our energy out quite a bit. 2 free dice on agri projects, and using Erewhon to get the extra large stockpile up and an admin assistance for security review. With any luck we can pull ahead enough in agri, crystal laser and mil to move some free dice into orbital Q3 to push enterprise so we can start the gravitic drive bay without running the risk of falling short of plan goals.
Edit- flipped 2 dice from OSRCT to enterprise
Edit 2- dropped the 1 die tendril for a 4th on border offensives, keeping 5R for changes after Q1 results get posted
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- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
That's real good, Doruma, I like that.
Also, general observation:
I am hopeful and optimistic that claw rollout tech will be a smaller and cheaper project than tendrils. This is because:
1) Our existing new tendril hardware is likely to be already superior to Nod claw hardware in a variety of applications, so we hopefully won't need to do a 1350 Progress megaproject to roll it out to our entire harvester fleet.
2) Consider that Nod adheres to a high-low mix. Most of their low-end hardware is cheap and easy to replicate, at least given their own standards of "easy," which include some things we don't have access to. Even so, GDI probably wouldn't have any real difficulty in duplicating, say, a Nod rocket launcher, Venom VTOL, or attack buggy if it really wanted to. After all, we have our own versions of all these systems, whose performance is broadly comparable. And by extension, tiberium harvesters are low-end, basic tech. Nod needs them all over the place, and even low-tier Brotherhood warlords must perforce harvest tiberium to even participate meaningfully in Nod's military economy. Thus, harvester claws (a part of the harvester that probably needs to be maintained or replaced regularly) cannot be anything particularly exotic or difficult to make within Nod's industrial base. There is clearly some specific trick to making the things that we hitherto did not know, but having learned the trick, presumably we can make our own easily enough.
I'm guessing that this will be a 20 R/die project, not a 30 R/die project.
On the other hand, I think it's probably not a great idea for us to invest dice in building arcologies at this point. We might as well just create the Bureau of Arcologies and spin off responsibility for the project altogether. Arcologies are simply not a viable way to solve the Housing crisis at this point; they are more or less a pure prestige project and we have too many non-prestige needs.
Such as fortifying the borders with fortress towns, and constructing apartments for the refugee wave, and (important reminder!) making sure we don't run down our Logistics numbers too far with all the apartments we're building!
And you can't compensate with the laser deployment, because that's vanishingly unlikely to finish under your plan.
1) Even if we get Phase 2 in 2061Q2, we will not see enough return on investment in 2061 for the option to pay for itself. Thus, it is a net decrease in our discretionary spending budget for other things, not an increase.
2) With this in mind, it is probably better to invest dice spread out over 2-3 turns in this project, because we're doing it for the long-term benefits, not for short-term gain. To be reasonably assured of getting the project in a single turn, we would need to painfully overinvest- as we did with Phase 1, which is how we ended up with 75 points of rollover despite mediocre rolls on the project in the first place.
My one objection is that if you're planning to only put one die into the tendrils this turn, you might as well just invest in something else entirely that we'll also want done by end of plan. I nominate a fourth die on the border offensives, or a die on the RZ-7 tiberium inhibitor.
Also, general observation:
I am hopeful and optimistic that claw rollout tech will be a smaller and cheaper project than tendrils. This is because:
1) Our existing new tendril hardware is likely to be already superior to Nod claw hardware in a variety of applications, so we hopefully won't need to do a 1350 Progress megaproject to roll it out to our entire harvester fleet.
2) Consider that Nod adheres to a high-low mix. Most of their low-end hardware is cheap and easy to replicate, at least given their own standards of "easy," which include some things we don't have access to. Even so, GDI probably wouldn't have any real difficulty in duplicating, say, a Nod rocket launcher, Venom VTOL, or attack buggy if it really wanted to. After all, we have our own versions of all these systems, whose performance is broadly comparable. And by extension, tiberium harvesters are low-end, basic tech. Nod needs them all over the place, and even low-tier Brotherhood warlords must perforce harvest tiberium to even participate meaningfully in Nod's military economy. Thus, harvester claws (a part of the harvester that probably needs to be maintained or replaced regularly) cannot be anything particularly exotic or difficult to make within Nod's industrial base. There is clearly some specific trick to making the things that we hitherto did not know, but having learned the trick, presumably we can make our own easily enough.
I'm guessing that this will be a 20 R/die project, not a 30 R/die project.
Hm. A deliberately non-Chicago plan, which is quite respectable. Though if we avoid Chicago in Q2 and Q3, realistically we're going to need to build an extra wave of tiberium refineries as a Tiberium action at some point.
On the other hand, I think it's probably not a great idea for us to invest dice in building arcologies at this point. We might as well just create the Bureau of Arcologies and spin off responsibility for the project altogether. Arcologies are simply not a viable way to solve the Housing crisis at this point; they are more or less a pure prestige project and we have too many non-prestige needs.
Such as fortifying the borders with fortress towns, and constructing apartments for the refugee wave, and (important reminder!) making sure we don't run down our Logistics numbers too far with all the apartments we're building!
Bear in mind that we're down to +5 Energy. Unless you have a specific plan for where new Energy is going to come from, spending one die on fusion power isn't enough to be confident of getting any more. This severely limits our potential options for other actions this turn. For example, Anadyr will consume -2 Energy, the fertilizer plants -1, the drone factories -2, and the Mastodon plants (fairly likely to complete with two dice, as they're already at something like 100/225) cost -3.
And you can't compensate with the laser deployment, because that's vanishingly unlikely to finish under your plan.
Aggressive pursuit of Phase 2 of the harvesting tendrils is not necessarily a bad idea. However, it's important to note two things:
1) Even if we get Phase 2 in 2061Q2, we will not see enough return on investment in 2061 for the option to pay for itself. Thus, it is a net decrease in our discretionary spending budget for other things, not an increase.
2) With this in mind, it is probably better to invest dice spread out over 2-3 turns in this project, because we're doing it for the long-term benefits, not for short-term gain. To be reasonably assured of getting the project in a single turn, we would need to painfully overinvest- as we did with Phase 1, which is how we ended up with 75 points of rollover despite mediocre rolls on the project in the first place.
Respectable, but if I had your priorities, I'd drop the free die on tendril harvesting and put it on Enterprise.
An interesting attempt to minimize expenditure on the military, in dice, resources, and energy. On the other hand, this comes at the cost of delaying ship construction from all remaining incomplete yards by another quarter, and leaving us with some pretty big/important projects that we haveta haveta get finished in Q4, which may result in multiple parallel projects getting 2-3 dice when they probably only need one. Not so happy there.
I infer that your plan is to avoid Chicago Phase 4 entirely this plan, and instead use the upgraded Hewlett-Gardener process to build the first of a new generation of tiberium refineries entirely using the Tiberium option for building new refineries?
My one objection is that if you're planning to only put one die into the tendrils this turn, you might as well just invest in something else entirely that we'll also want done by end of plan. I nominate a fourth die on the border offensives, or a die on the RZ-7 tiberium inhibitor.
Bold and aggressive; I was putting off Bergen until Q3-Q4 and anticipating another turn focusing on 10-15 R/die light industry projects, such as more consumer goods production and the drone factories. I don't disapprove, mind you, assuming the political situation supports it.
I think this is a bad time to do security reviews of Agriculture. It hasn't been that long. Also, I'm not sure you can do that with AA dice.
I'm anxious about not investing any Free dice into Orbital. We have 15 dice left to go on the project as a median investment requirement, and we could get unlucky on our rolls again. I want to have some wiggle room left, and that means investing Free dice now.
While I would personally rather put a few dice into Seattle, I can understand the desire to monofocus heavily on OSRCT at the moment.
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- He/Him
My guess is advanced hardlight does not have the strength and power to be used as a weapon.Why does everyone default to holodecks and control panels whenever we get fine control telekinesis?
I want my gravity gun, damnit!
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
At least not over useful combat ranges.
Because if the only way to make it weaponizable is to lure the enemy into a holodeck, well, you could probably kill your enemy any number of ways if you lure them into a sealed container completely surrounded by complex technological gizmos under your control.
Likewise, if the only way to make the hardlight weaponizable is to poke them with it while holding the field effect projector within a meter or so of their person, then congratulations, you've developed a very expensive and redundant form of what the ancients called "spear" technology.
All these 99's…
In Anadyr and census…
I really hope we get the "99's are crits" employee this time around.
Scrin are not gone.
Well, not entirely unexpected, but after 15 years of silence I kinda began to think that they are.
Bogatyr and space navy just have become mandatory.
On the other hand, renewal of Scrinata.
Apropos Scrinata - if the codes allow us to board the Scrin, I will laugh, so hard.
Advanced hard light should revolutionize entertainment, lab setups, simulations, surgical theaters, military command and control, and hundred things I didn't think of…
Oh, if we are lucky, nearly all our industrial instruments will now be hard light - things like mill heads, drills and so on.
This has potential to be huge.
…and better drone control… just as we are heavily investing into drones… and portals that will eventually allow us FTL drone control… So delicious…
Last but not least, apartments were meant to be intermediate solutions till we can afford building arcologies. I would be more than a little miffed if we suddenly began to see them as main living space for our citizens.
In Anadyr and census…
I really hope we get the "99's are crits" employee this time around.
Scrin are not gone.
Well, not entirely unexpected, but after 15 years of silence I kinda began to think that they are.
Bogatyr and space navy just have become mandatory.
On the other hand, renewal of Scrinata.
Apropos Scrinata - if the codes allow us to board the Scrin, I will laugh, so hard.
Advanced hard light should revolutionize entertainment, lab setups, simulations, surgical theaters, military command and control, and hundred things I didn't think of…
Oh, if we are lucky, nearly all our industrial instruments will now be hard light - things like mill heads, drills and so on.
This has potential to be huge.
…and better drone control… just as we are heavily investing into drones… and portals that will eventually allow us FTL drone control… So delicious…
Last but not least, apartments were meant to be intermediate solutions till we can afford building arcologies. I would be more than a little miffed if we suddenly began to see them as main living space for our citizens.
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- his hidden lair
A holodeck as a malleable set of high powered, instantly replaceable industrial tools is not an application that I considered, but in a controlled environment- you probably could have a complicated and flexible hard light array making manufacturing more programmable.
Even more than that - current CNC machines have dozens, partly hundreds (with replacements) different instrument heads they exchange during production cycles.
If it were possible to replace all these heads with an infinitely malleable hard light one, not only would it cut down on maintenance by an insane degree, it also would allow for production of structures only possible with additive manufacturing so far since a hard light instrument could change its geometry during processing, thus for example "milling" complicated internal structures into a part, impossible with a none inherently malleable tool.
Another thing - perpetually renewable tools can hold edges to a degree literally impossible for any conventional tools.
Edit:
This said, this all can only be possible as long as "hardness" of hard light exceeds the hardness of material it is to machine - I expect thresholds, with, say, aluminum alloys being relatively easy to work with, while some STU's being extremely hard to impossible.
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- his hidden lair
There's also the fineness of the tools we can potentially be working with, better men than me can quantify how small a photon actually is, but at the very least- the answer is 'very'. Making things involving a lot of precision might very well benefit from an etching tool with a tip smaller than an atom or what have you. In fact, given Tiberium's current state as a proton lattice, it's entirely possible this is a part of what Scrin do to directly manipulate atoms on a subatomic level. Presuming they invented the stuff of course, they evidently had to make matter composed purely of protons in a stable state at one point or another.
So, with the eventual capture and use of Ganatech and whatever the drones turn into, are we making client species? This already sounds like we are capable of making Geth and Vorcha. Eventually. That is going to be a can of worms. Little E proves that they are people, when the greater drone network eventually gets enough traction, then what? Same with NOD's Gana, they are slowly becoming more intelligent to fight us. We might get sophont Gana soon as a consequence of NOD needing more bodies.
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
- Location
- USG Ishimura
Should remember that while Nod's Claws may not have been too far ahead of our old Tib miners, the Tendrils were a very big step up. While Nod Claws may not have anything that could be applied to our Tendrils, the opposite will not be true. There's advanced tech we could and should apply to the Claws, and while they will be better and worth it, they won't be that cheap.
I was posing such questions earlier. My take was just to use the laws we have for humans, swap the names around and use it as a base. Right now the drones aren't a concern. Gana? If they can prove their sentience and sapience, if captured in combat treat them like POWs. I doubt we'll find any noncombatants.
Edit: Okay, not exactly like normal POWs. They are by design, Tiberium infused bioengineered combat cyborgs. They'll need some special holding areas. But you know, I'd have it be they be held as humianly as possible, circumstances permitting.
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Short answer?
Yes, we already are.
We do not even have any choice with Gana - the new "lizards" we have seen may very well already be fully sapient, so this ship may well have sailed.
Erewhon is also fully sapient with full rights, and while for now our ability to build AI's is, well, not very advanced, I fully expect AI's to proliferate with time, till, for example, ship AI's or research centre supervisor AI's will become standard.
So humans are already not the only sapient race on Earth, tendency rising.
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Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
- Location
- Belgrade,Serbia
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Resources: 1020+90+5+15 = 1130? + 0 in reserve (15 allocated to the Forgotten) (35 allocated to grants)(+25 from Taxes) (-5 from Resettlement) (-30 from Reconstruction commissions)
Political Support: 54
SCIENCE Meter: 4/4
Free Dice: 7
Erewhon Dice: 1
Tiberium Spread
21.29-0.51+0.98 = 21.76 Blue Zone
2.16+0.51-0.98 = 1.69 Green Zone
22.82-0.21+0.7 = 23.31 Yellow Zone (98 Points of Abatement)
53.73+0.21-0.7 = 53.24 Red Zone (70 Points of Abatement)
Current Economic Issues:
Housing: +36+18-10 = +44 (31-18+10 = 23 population in low quality housing) (-10 per turn from refugees)
Energy: +16-1-5-5 = +5 (+4 in reserve)
Logistics: +26-5 = +21? (-7? from raiding) (-7? from military activity)
Food: +22+8-4-4? = +22? (+10+2 = +12 in reserve)
Health: +9? (-8? from Wartime Demand) (-10? from Refugees)
Capital Goods: +27+1-10-1-2-2 = +13 (+101+27 = +128 in reserve) [-10 at End of War (Will go back this turn) ] [+1 in Q1 2061 ]
STUs: +11-1+1 = +11
Consumer Goods: +37+16+6+3 = +62? (-22? from demand spike) (+3 from Private Industry)
Labor: +43-1 = +42? We don't have Labor gain right now probably because of the refugees taking up so much +Health
Tiberium Processing Capacity (1925+90 = 2015/2470)
Labor Per Turn: +4
Taxation Per Turn: +30?
Space Mining Per Turn: +75+5+15 = 95
Green Zone Water: +6
[ ] Plan Running on Glass v2.0:
-[ ] Infrastructure 6/6 + 3 Free Dice Dice 185 Resources:
--[ ] Yellow Zone Fortress Towns (Phase 6) 220/300 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[ ] Chicago Planned City (Phase 4) 3/550 20 Resources per Die, 6 Dice = 120 Resources
--[ ] Suborbital Shuttle Service (Phase 1) 156/200 30 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 30 Resources
--[ ] Bureau of Arcologies (New) -1 Infrastructure Die, -2 to Infrastructure Dice, -15 RpT
-[ ] Heavy Industry 5/5 Dice + 1 Free Die 140 Resources:
--[ ] Chicago Planned City (Phase 4) 3/550 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[ ] Continuous Cycle Fusion Plants (Phase 8) (Updated) 243/300 20 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 40 Resources
--[ ] Crystal Beam Industrial Laser Deployment (New?) 92/600 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[ ] Isolinear Chip Foundry Anadyr 258/320 50 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 50 Resources
--[ ] Division of Alternative Energy -10 RpT, -1 Heavy Industry Die
-[ ] Light and Chemical Industry 5/5 55 Resources:
--[ ] Chemical Fertilizer Plants (Phase 2) 276/300 15 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 15 Resources
--[ ] Civilian Support Expansion (Phase 2) 13/??? 10 Resources per Die, 4 Dice = 40 Resources
-[ ] Agriculture 4/4 Dice + 3 Free Dice 85 Resources:
--[ ] Agriculture Mechanization Projects (Phase 2) 26/250 15 Resources per Die, 3 Die = 45 Resources
--Strategic Food Stockpile Construction (Phase 3) 85/175
--[ ] Freeze Dried Food Plants 181/200 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[ ] Extra Large Food Stockpiles 1 Die
-[ ] Tiberium 7/7 Dice 210 Resources:
--[ ] Harvesting Tendril Deployment (Phase 2) 74/750 30 Resources per Die, 7 Dice = 210 Resources
-[ ] Orbital Industry 6/6 Dice + Erewhon Die 140 Resources:
--[ ] GDSS Enterprise (Phase 5) 348/1535 20 Resources per Die, 5 Dice + Erewhon Die = 120 Resources
--[ ] Lunar Rare Metals Harvesting (Phase 2) 11/125? 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
-[ ] Services 5/5 Dice 180 Resources:
--[ ] Professional Sports Programs 102/250 10 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 20 Resources
--[ ] Pinhole Portal Early Primitive Prototype Construction (Tech) 56/180 100 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 100 Resources
--[ ] NOD Research Initiatives (New) 0/200 30 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 60 resources
-[ ] Military 8/8 Dice 135 Resources:
--[ ] Universal Rocket Launch System Deployment (Phase 3) 0/200 15 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 15 Resources
--[ ] Escort Carrier Shipyards (High Priority) New York 138/240 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[ ] Shark Class Frigate Shipyards Seattle (High Priority) 0/300 20 Resources per Die, 4 Dice = 80 Resources
--[ ] Mastodon Heavy Assault Walker Deployment (High Priority) 113/225 10 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 20 Resources
-[ ] Bureaucracy 4/4 Dice:
--[ ] Conduct Civil Satisfaction Surveys DC 90/120/150/180 4 Dice
185+140+55+85+210+140+180+135 = 1130/1130
So here is my first preliminary plan for next turn. It doesn't do the Improved Hewlett Gardener Process Development because we haven't done the NOD gatcha yet which might get us some sort of better Tiberium Processing:
- 1 Die on Yellow Zone Fortress Towns for a 68% chance and a DC of 33 to complete Phase 6.
- 6 Infrastructure Dice and 1 Heavy Industry Die on Chicago Planned City for a 75% chance and an Average DC of 43 to complete Phase 4 and be done with a plan goal.
- 1 Die on Suborbital Shuttle Service for a 100% chance and a DC of 1 to complete Phase 1 and get the Himmalayan Blue Zone some logistical support.
- 1 Die on Bureau of Arcologies so we are always building at least a small amount of High Quality Housing so that we don't have to do Housing actions every turn.
- 2 Die on Continuous Cycle Fusion Plants for a 100% chance and an Average DC of 1 to complete Phase 8 so we have enough Energy.
- 1 Die on Crystal Beam Industrial Laser Deployment to continue building that up.
- 1 Die on Anadyr for a 83% chance and a DC of 18 to complete this plan goal.
- 1 Die on Division of Alternative Energy so we can get a trickle of Energy each turn.
- 1 Die on Chemical Fertilizer Plants for a 100% chance and a DC of 1 to complete it and get the Food from it.
- 4 Dice on Civilian Support Expansion because that is a running issue until it is complete.
- 3 Dice on Agriculture Mechanization Projects Phase 2 for a 61% chance and an Average DC of 46 to complete that line of Action. For now.
- 2 Die on Strategic Food Stockpile Construction for a 97% chance and an Average DC of 14 to complete Phase 3.
- 1 Die on Freeze Dried Food Plants so it is finally done.
- 1 Die on Extra Large Food Stockpiles to get that done.
- 7 Dice on Harvesting Tendril Deployment Phase 2 for a 33% chance and an Average DC of 56 to complete and get us enough Resources per Turn that we will start storing them so we have some extra after Reallocation so we can hit the ground running.
- 6 Dice, one of them Erewhon, on Enterprise to continue working towards that Plan Goal.
- 1 Die on Lunar Rare Metals Harvesting to slow roll that goal.
- 2 Die on Professional Sports Programs for a 70% chance and an Average DC of 40 to complete this action and get the PS. We can't do it on 1 Die.
- 1 Die on Pinhole Portal Early Primitive Prototype Construction for a 19% chance and a DC of 82 to complete with this plan. This is an expensive bastard of an action.
- 2 Die on NOD Research Initiatives for a 25% chance and an Average DC of 66 to complete that and know what sort of tech we have coming down the pipeline for the foreseeable future.
- 1 Die on Universal Rocket Launch System Deployment to get started on that Plan Goal.
- 1 Die on Escort Carrier Shipyards New York for a 40% chance and a DC of 61 t ocomplete this plan goal.
- 4 Dice on Shark Class Frigate Shipyards Seattle for a 64% chance and an Average DC of 46 to complete the Shark Frigate Deployment
- 2 Die on Mastadon deployment for a 90% chance and Average DC of 23 to get Steel Talons a new set of bases. If this was just the Mastadon Deplyoment then I would slow roll it, but read the text of the action these are the start of new Steel Talon bases for field testing.
- 4 Dice on Conduct Civil Satisfaction Surveys for a 98% chance and an Average DC of 20 to pass the highest DC.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Yes, but the question is whether the claws will be a beneficial addition when we have just refitted the harvester fleet with tendrils. It seems likely that the answer will be "in some circumstances, yes, in other circumstances, no."
And even where it is beneficial, we have already refitted the harvest fleet supply chain with tendril equipment, so working backwards to retrofit that equipment into a claw-based system is not going to be as expensive as creating the tendril equipment in the first place.
It may even be that claws are incompatible with tendril hardware (say, because they are based on the idea of driving the claw firmly into stony ground, which is incompatible with keeping your tendril tiberium-vacuum-hose working well).
So I do not foresee the claw refit being either as far-reaching (Progress-intensive) or as costly in terms of the required equipment (costly-per-die) as the tendril refit.
I could be wrong.
- Location
- his hidden lair
I'm skeptical the Gana can naturally reproduce, and even the ones expressing some kind of intelligence to issue commands are probably so heavily riddled with evolutionary trade offs and shortcuts suited for cloned disposable weapons that the prospect of Gana developing into a stable and sustainable species seems incredibly unlikely and a bit contrived.
There's a few animals today humans have optimized so much they'd basically be hosed in the wild, and Gana are likely orders of magnitude more optimized for short, violent, and disposables lives than any domesticated animal I can think of. If we secure Gana prisoners, I'm all for treating them with respect and dignity, but I imagine they'll probably have horrifying health problems over any long periods, and the sort of genetic engineering to try and remove those issues is something I can't even begin to speculate on.
Like pretend you're a sociopathic NOD geneticist splicing species to try and create super soldiers, soldiers you don't remotely consider people. What terrible compromises are you willing to give this lizard man to give it the reflexes to dodge a barely subsonic bullet? Hypersensitive nerve bundles and constant pressure in the cranium from engorged blood vessels- hardly even a compromise. This form of regen leads to cancerous tissue? Who cares! Telomeres rapidly degrading from being copied so frequently as a result of their accelerated life cycle? All the better for disposable shock troops!
It's hard to quantify the sheer inhumanity at play here if NOD really is treading the line of sapient Gana.
There's a few animals today humans have optimized so much they'd basically be hosed in the wild, and Gana are likely orders of magnitude more optimized for short, violent, and disposables lives than any domesticated animal I can think of. If we secure Gana prisoners, I'm all for treating them with respect and dignity, but I imagine they'll probably have horrifying health problems over any long periods, and the sort of genetic engineering to try and remove those issues is something I can't even begin to speculate on.
Like pretend you're a sociopathic NOD geneticist splicing species to try and create super soldiers, soldiers you don't remotely consider people. What terrible compromises are you willing to give this lizard man to give it the reflexes to dodge a barely subsonic bullet? Hypersensitive nerve bundles and constant pressure in the cranium from engorged blood vessels- hardly even a compromise. This form of regen leads to cancerous tissue? Who cares! Telomeres rapidly degrading from being copied so frequently as a result of their accelerated life cycle? All the better for disposable shock troops!
It's hard to quantify the sheer inhumanity at play here if NOD really is treading the line of sapient Gana.
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Oledoms
Friesmancer
Skipping away from Gana and Scrin a bit, is the Ranching Domes a one time thing or will there be other phases available each. I kinda imagine the huge demand for steaks, butter, eggs and milk from both the Blue Zone Populace and the new arrivals so there will be a major demand for farmers that a single batch of domes will not be able to cover.
Also, will there be an option to build dedicated industrialized Hog Farms? Considering how easy it is to farm pork for meat?
Also, will there be an option to build dedicated industrialized Hog Farms? Considering how easy it is to farm pork for meat?
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
- Location
- USG Ishimura
True, I just want to keep the possibility in mind.
Natural reproduction may or may not possible, but they are possible to create now, and so long as the technology exists to create more, there will be more.
And it is clear the Gana are improving. Improving in a way that gives them long term viability isn't clear, but in general it's usually better for your bioweapons to have a long shelf life, especially if they're intelligent. You don't want to have to reteach your NCOs and junior officers how to lead every few years. A human life span isn't necessary, but twenty to thirty years? That's enough, especially if they reach maturity quickly.
And yes, creating beings like this is horrible, but that's rather besides the point. They exist now, and until we feel brave enough to reach out and touch India, they will continue to exist, and more will be made. It isn't a question of how long they'll live, it's a question of what to do with them while they're alive.
Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
- Location
- Belgrade,Serbia
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Simon what exactly in this:makes you think the tech is incompatible with NOD digging arms?
We should have done Ranching Domes literally years ago, but there hasn't been funding available for a 20 RpD project in Agriculture until recently. We need the Ranching Domes both for advancing Tissue Replacement and doing more complex artificial ecosystems. We should probably do them before/along with Shala.
- Location
- his hidden lair
The latter is something I'm in agreement over at least. I don't see GDI ever creating or condoning the use of Gana unless they've been so drastically altered to arguably be something completely different (eg not a purpose made janissary slave race) But we have every obligation owed to them as we owe to Erewhon.
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- Location
- Outside the Box
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Here's a preliminary Array for next turn. As always, it's big. Like really big. Wow. please report any potential errors, missing projects, ideas for improvements, etc. etc.
--Note2: Anyone who wants a copy of the current version of the excel sheet I use to help make these Arrays can have one; just send me a PM if you're interested.
--Note3: You can use this calculator to calculate the effects of the Admin Assistance dice on specific projects.
--Note4: The most recent version of the Array is most often the Informational threadmarked version.
--Note5: I don't know if the -5 to Bureaucracy dice penalty expires this turn or after this turn. *shrug*
-[] Blue Zone Apartment Complexes (Phase 6?) 0/160? 2 dice 20R 72%, 3 dice 30R 99%
-[] Blue Zone Apartment Complexes (Phase 6+7?) 0/320? 3 dice 30R 16%, 4 dice 40R 71%, 5 dice 50R 97%
-[] Blue Zone Apartment Complexes (Phase 6+7+8?) 0/480? 5 dice 50R 26%, 6 dice 60R 72%, 7 dice 70R 95%
-[] Suborbital Shuttle Service (Phase 1) 156/200 1 die 30R 100%
-[] Suborbital Shuttle Service (Phase 1+2) 156/450 3 dice 80R+ 32%, 4 dice 105R+ 84%, 5 dice 130R+ 99%
-[] Suborbital Shuttle Service (Phase 1+2+3) 156/650 5 dice 130R+ 20%, 6 dice 155R+ 65%, 7 dice 180R+ 93%
-[] Continuous Cycle Fusion Plants (Phase 8) 243/300 1 die 20R 88%, 2 dice 40R 100%
-[] Continuous Cycle Fusion Plants (Phase 8+9) 243/600 3 dice 60R 2%, 4 dice 80R 34%, 5 dice 100R 80%, 6 dice 120R 97%
-[] Crystal Beam Industrial Laser Deployment 51/600 5 dice 100R 2%, 6 dice 120R 22%, 7 dice 140R 62%, 8 dice 160R 89%, 9 dice 180R 98%
-[] Isolinear Chip Foundry Anadyr 258/320 1 die 50R 83%, 2 dice 100R 100%
-[] Civilian Support Expansion (Phase 2) 13/250? 2 dice 20R 4%, 3 dice 30R 52%, 4 dice 40R 90%
-[] Agriculture Mechanization Projects (Phase 2) 26/250 2 dice 30R 8%, 3 dice 45R 61%, 4 dice 60R 94%
-[] Freeze Dried Food Plants 181/200 1 die 20R 100%
-[] Strategic Food Stockpile Construction (Phase 3) 85/175 1 die 10R 50%, 2 dice 20R 97%
-[] Strategic Food Stockpile Construction (Phase 3+4) 85/375 3 dice 30R 16%, 4 dice 40R 65%, 5 dice 50R 93%
-[] Strategic Food Stockpile Construction (Phase 3+4+5?) 85/600? 5 dice 50R 2%, 6 dice 60R 23%, 7 dice 70R 61%, 8 dice 80R 88%, 9 dice 90R 98%
-[] Harvesting Tendril Deployment (Phase 2) 74/750 6 dice 180R 4%, 7 dice 210R 33%, 8 dice 240R 75%, 9 dice 270R 95%
-[] Tiberium Harvesting Claws Development Done
-[] GDSS Enterprise (Phase 5) 348/1535 12 dice 240R 3%, 13 dice 260R 14%, 14 dice 280R 39%, 15 dice 300R 67%, 16 dice 320R 87%, 17 dice 340R 96%
-[] Lunar Rare Metals Harvesting (Phase 2) 11/115 1 die 20R 38%, 2 die 40R 94%
-[] Lunar Regolith Harvesting (Phase 3) 57/290? 2 dice 40R 6%, 3 dice 60R 59%, 4 dice 80R 94%
-[] Lunar Regolith Harvesting (Phase 3+4) 57/570? 5 dice 100R 4%, 6 dice 120R 30%, 7 dice 140R 69%, 8 dice 160R 92%
-[] Professional Sports Programs 102/250 2 dice 20R 70%, 3 dice 30R 98%
-[] Scrin Research Institutions Done
-[] Skywatch Telescope System Done
-[] Railgun Munitions Development Done
-[] Hallucinogen Countermeasures Development Done
-[] Escort Carrier Shipyards (Nagoya) Done
-[] Escort Carrier Shipyards (Dublin) Done
-[] Escort Carrier Shipyards (New York) 138/240? 1 die 20R 40%, 2 dice 40R 94% (Nat 1)
-[] Mastodon Heavy Assault Walker Deployment 113/225 1 die 10R 30%, 2 dice 20R 91%
-[] Conduct Economic Census DC 250 Done
-[] Security Review L&CL Done
-[] Blue Zone Apartment Complexes (Phase 6+7?) 0/320? 3 dice 30R 16%, 4 dice 40R 71%, 5 dice 50R 97%
-[] Blue Zone Apartment Complexes (Phase 6+7+8?) 0/480? 5 dice 50R 26%, 6 dice 60R 72%, 7 dice 70R 95%
-[] Suborbital Shuttle Service (Phase 1) 156/200 1 die 30R 100%
-[] Suborbital Shuttle Service (Phase 1+2) 156/450 3 dice 80R+ 32%, 4 dice 105R+ 84%, 5 dice 130R+ 99%
-[] Suborbital Shuttle Service (Phase 1+2+3) 156/650 5 dice 130R+ 20%, 6 dice 155R+ 65%, 7 dice 180R+ 93%
-[] Continuous Cycle Fusion Plants (Phase 8) 243/300 1 die 20R 88%, 2 dice 40R 100%
-[] Continuous Cycle Fusion Plants (Phase 8+9) 243/600 3 dice 60R 2%, 4 dice 80R 34%, 5 dice 100R 80%, 6 dice 120R 97%
-[] Crystal Beam Industrial Laser Deployment 51/600 5 dice 100R 2%, 6 dice 120R 22%, 7 dice 140R 62%, 8 dice 160R 89%, 9 dice 180R 98%
-[] Isolinear Chip Foundry Anadyr 258/320 1 die 50R 83%, 2 dice 100R 100%
-[] Civilian Support Expansion (Phase 2) 13/250? 2 dice 20R 4%, 3 dice 30R 52%, 4 dice 40R 90%
-[] Agriculture Mechanization Projects (Phase 2) 26/250 2 dice 30R 8%, 3 dice 45R 61%, 4 dice 60R 94%
-[] Freeze Dried Food Plants 181/200 1 die 20R 100%
-[] Strategic Food Stockpile Construction (Phase 3) 85/175 1 die 10R 50%, 2 dice 20R 97%
-[] Strategic Food Stockpile Construction (Phase 3+4) 85/375 3 dice 30R 16%, 4 dice 40R 65%, 5 dice 50R 93%
-[] Strategic Food Stockpile Construction (Phase 3+4+5?) 85/600? 5 dice 50R 2%, 6 dice 60R 23%, 7 dice 70R 61%, 8 dice 80R 88%, 9 dice 90R 98%
-[] Harvesting Tendril Deployment (Phase 2) 74/750 6 dice 180R 4%, 7 dice 210R 33%, 8 dice 240R 75%, 9 dice 270R 95%
-[] Tiberium Harvesting Claws Development Done
-[] GDSS Enterprise (Phase 5) 348/1535 12 dice 240R 3%, 13 dice 260R 14%, 14 dice 280R 39%, 15 dice 300R 67%, 16 dice 320R 87%, 17 dice 340R 96%
-[] Lunar Rare Metals Harvesting (Phase 2) 11/115 1 die 20R 38%, 2 die 40R 94%
-[] Lunar Regolith Harvesting (Phase 3) 57/290? 2 dice 40R 6%, 3 dice 60R 59%, 4 dice 80R 94%
-[] Lunar Regolith Harvesting (Phase 3+4) 57/570? 5 dice 100R 4%, 6 dice 120R 30%, 7 dice 140R 69%, 8 dice 160R 92%
-[] Professional Sports Programs 102/250 2 dice 20R 70%, 3 dice 30R 98%
-[] Scrin Research Institutions Done
-[] Skywatch Telescope System Done
-[] Railgun Munitions Development Done
-[] Hallucinogen Countermeasures Development Done
-[] Escort Carrier Shipyards (Nagoya) Done
-[] Escort Carrier Shipyards (Dublin) Done
-[] Escort Carrier Shipyards (New York) 138/240? 1 die 20R 40%, 2 dice 40R 94% (Nat 1)
-[] Mastodon Heavy Assault Walker Deployment 113/225 1 die 10R 30%, 2 dice 20R 91%
-[] Conduct Economic Census DC 250 Done
-[] Security Review L&CL Done
- Infrastructure 6 dice +34
- Heavy Industry 5 dice +29
- Light and Chemical Industry 5 dice +24
- Agriculture 4 dice +24
- Tiberium 7 dice +39
- Orbital Industry 6 dice +26
- Services 5 dice +27
- Military 8 dice +26
- Bureaucracy 4 dice +19
- Last Security Review
--Note2: Anyone who wants a copy of the current version of the excel sheet I use to help make these Arrays can have one; just send me a PM if you're interested.
--Note3: You can use this calculator to calculate the effects of the Admin Assistance dice on specific projects.
--Note4: The most recent version of the Array is most often the Informational threadmarked version.
--Note5: I don't know if the -5 to Bureaucracy dice penalty expires this turn or after this turn. *shrug*
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Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
- Location
- Belgrade,Serbia
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
After this turn. Everything that said:
until a quarter came into use after that quarter was done from out point of view as players.
- Location
- Outside the Box
- Pronouns
- She/Her
"Until Q2 2061" could mean 'until we reach Q1 2061', in which case next turn we won't have the penalty, or it could mean 'until after Q1 2061', in which case then penalty is still in effect next turn. While for gameplay reasons I'd guess it's the latter meaning, the statement itself is ambiguous. (Sorry if this isn't clear because of language reasons.)
- Location
- nz
Has anybody floated the idea of talking to the scrin/visitors?
We have just got the tech to do that.
Even if they don't want to talk to the annoying monkeys who interrupted their 'perfectly legal mining operation'. GDI know that the scrin/visitors know who Kane is and apparently hate him. At the end of TW3 the scrin/visitors flipped out and launched an all out assault on NOD after a Kane broadcast.
They may just answer some questions about Kane given that we very much wish him ill. If for no other reason than 'screw that guy'.
We have just got the tech to do that.
Even if they don't want to talk to the annoying monkeys who interrupted their 'perfectly legal mining operation'. GDI know that the scrin/visitors know who Kane is and apparently hate him. At the end of TW3 the scrin/visitors flipped out and launched an all out assault on NOD after a Kane broadcast.
They may just answer some questions about Kane given that we very much wish him ill. If for no other reason than 'screw that guy'.