Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
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Makes sense.
I mean, GDI must have first captured Nod crystal beam lasers back in the 1990s, because at some point in all those gunnery duels between Abrams and Obelisks of Light* must have produced fragments and parts of working models, enough that GDI must have been trying to piece together how the systems worked.
The most likely obstacle would have been in the industrial techniques required to make parts of the system, not in the captured hardware itself.
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*(You can do it with reasonable cost-effectiveness if you have good micro; the Obelisk heavily damages a Medium Tank but doesn't blow it away in one shot)
I mean, GDI must have first captured Nod crystal beam lasers back in the 1990s, because at some point in all those gunnery duels between Abrams and Obelisks of Light* must have produced fragments and parts of working models, enough that GDI must have been trying to piece together how the systems worked.
The most likely obstacle would have been in the industrial techniques required to make parts of the system, not in the captured hardware itself.
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*(You can do it with reasonable cost-effectiveness if you have good micro; the Obelisk heavily damages a Medium Tank but doesn't blow it away in one shot)
This is the current phase of ZA factories, future sets of ZA factories will roll the armour out to general ground forces and further down the list of priority. We can, in fact, eventually end up with ZA equipped Homeguard, but that's a bit down the line.
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Also, I suspect that the factories to do that will cost significantly more than the current batch.
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I'm curious, is there a possibility of FTL communication in Scrin gacha?
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I'm pretty sure we have deliberately walled ourselves off from knowing everything in the Scrin gacha.
cryptoam
building an 1980s encrypted protocol
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Guess what our portal tech enables us to do?
Microportals for EM coms across interstellar distances, GO!
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This is true in theory; you can probably fire a comm laser through a portal that way, though interstellar range portalling may require some real sophistication.
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And, probably, a lot of energy…
cryptoam
building an 1980s encrypted protocol
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Well yeah. It's not gonna be a cheap option but it is one that is both doable and secure against hostile threats trying to interdict or intercept data(assuming that the system and the data feeds are not compromised).
In 4 it was a complete working Obelisk and it was one of NOD's most advanced versions of the Device. Which was their way to hand waving how NOD regained the ability to shoot air targets with Obelisks in that game, because they stole the prototypes back. That makes allot more sense in this universe.
EDIT: I'm saying 4's writing was less thought out then yours. Stop being weird Simon.
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Yeah, that's dumb. I think we all agreed that that's dumb.
What it comes down to is that failure to reverse-engineer is easy to explain and is not dumb. But having working examples that you can't reverse-engineer AND leave lying around for an enemy with Nod's known capabilities to steal... that is dumb.
What it comes down to is that failure to reverse-engineer is easy to explain and is not dumb. But having working examples that you can't reverse-engineer AND leave lying around for an enemy with Nod's known capabilities to steal... that is dumb.
Which is why 4 is being used for idea mining, and not considered canon.
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FYI, this has been invaluable to me for running my side-quest, so I just want to give a big shoutout to you for making it.
staplesdex2
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As it was shown during that one Campaign Mission that LEGION performed when stealing back the Stealth Tech the Steel Talons had lying around in their area and not doing anything with it instead of shipping back to GDI's more heavily guarded territories to be studied intensely and hopefully be reverse-engineered.
You all know what I'm talking. That one mission in the Kane's Wrath Expansion pack.
Still something I will forever hold the Steel Talons for.
Strunkriidiisk
THE LEGEND
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Nice. Glad it's been helpful.
Uh... I'm not sure who you're arguing with. Because nobody said that. I sure as hell didn't? My meaning initially last page is that C&C4 logic is dumb and you shouldn't expect it to be smart when it comes to things like throwing Tiberium into space amongst the list of other dumb stuff. I'm not sure what you think that has to do with this Thread's timeline or why were talking about the logic of this universe suddenly, you're being weird and putting words in my mouth.
I mean I can't agree more. But also I feel a little patronized here?
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Tertiary schooling (I assume it includes medical universities) was reopened in Q4 2053.
Any idea How long does it take to train MD in GDI?
I.E. When do first wave of MDs will graduate?
And will they help with our Health problem?
Any idea How long does it take to train MD in GDI?
I.E. When do first wave of MDs will graduate?
And will they help with our Health problem?
They have almost certainly already graduated a while back
Also MDs (and nurses and MTs) are the sort of people you almost always need more of. Given that GDIs population growth at the moment consists primarily of refugees, many of whom are sick (possibly chronically) and/or injured, the people who go into medicine have excellent career prospects.
If I had to spitball?
Given how integral Tiberium seems to be to a lot of highend Nod tech, It was probably more about figuring out how to reverse-engineer a comparable system without Tiberium use and at a reasonable cost. Kinda like how difficult its been to produce a military-grade laser before the last five years, despite almost fifty years of development.
Because I refuse to believe that it took GDI 50 years to understand the principles around a bunch of captured systems.
I would also hypothesisze much the same problem with a lot of other captured highend Nod techs like stealth.
Meantime, because GDI sticks to mundane stuff, if Nod gets their hands on the designs and have the resources to spare they can replicate or modify it. Which is how we got the Nod Carryall and the Redeemer.
It was more about reestablishing the normal pipeline of medical training than increasing the supply of medical grads.
Remember that TibWar3 interrupted universal basic education for five to six years.
Basically, it prevented Health loss from medical personnel retiring without replacement.
Night_stalker
Slava Ukraini!
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Could also be subtle Nod sabotage. Slightly change some notes while they're working on something, and well....
Unlikely, given the time frame and the sheer amount of resources GDI has to throw at RnD.
Brotherhood intelligence is good, but its not THAT good.
And supporting evidence is that whenever GDI discards their reluctance to use Tiberium, they can make rapid progress.
See how quickly they made a Liquid T bomb after realizing Nod had one.
Just a note on that Obelisk that GDI supposedly controlled for a few decades.
The naval laser systems are anti-air (to be fair, anti-missile, but I'm pretty sure the planes getting hit wouldn't quibble over that detail). Their original prototypes were based on Nod gatling lasers with the intent to replace the rail gun arrays on Wolverine Mk 3s. That didn't work out and it was adjusted to be an anti-missile system (which would go on to be further developed into the PDS remote stations on Predators, etc). Has it turned out that GDI cracked the "point powerful lasers at the sky and hit things" that Nod never managed outside of a rogue AI?
...Probably not yet. I mean, the entire design is based on a Nod laser minigun, not a laser turret or Obelisk. If at some point we funded the Steel Talons exploring their Heavy Combat Laser development, on the other hand? I'm just imagining the gnashing of teeth of Nod warlords if we had an anti-air "obelisk" system before Nod figured out how to do it.
Nod never had a proper anti-air laser system up to the start of the Quest. The closest we get is the laser systems installed on buggies and Venoms, which replaced machine guns. Three generations of Obelisk of Light? Ground attack only. Two generations of Laser Turrets? Ground attack only. Scorpion tank getting its cannon replaced with a laser? Ground attack only. The only proper anti-air laser system ever deployed (that wasn't a machine gun equivalent) was the CABAL designed Obelisk of Darkness. There was only one known functional example of it, that was destroyed with CABAL at the end of the Firestorm conflict. It was never part of Nod's inventory.
Now, Kane was pretty quick to have someone recover a prototype stealth tank in Australia and was pretty quick to have someone recover the Obelisk (and the research on it) when he was made aware of it (in 2077 by C&C4 canon). Given that he knew about the existence of a Liquid Tib research site that GDI's government and probably the vast majority of the military brass was unaware of, I'm hard pressed to accept that Kane somehow never found out that a second functional Obelisk of Darkness existed, let alone that GDI had it, for up to 46-47 years. You can't easily conceal or move an Obelisk like you can a tank, yet the Obelisk apparently was hidden for decades while the prototype tank wasn't?
Nah, I'm fully on board with a second functional Obelisk of Darkness not existing.
Now, Kane was pretty quick to have someone recover a prototype stealth tank in Australia and was pretty quick to have someone recover the Obelisk (and the research on it) when he was made aware of it (in 2077 by C&C4 canon). Given that he knew about the existence of a Liquid Tib research site that GDI's government and probably the vast majority of the military brass was unaware of, I'm hard pressed to accept that Kane somehow never found out that a second functional Obelisk of Darkness existed, let alone that GDI had it, for up to 46-47 years. You can't easily conceal or move an Obelisk like you can a tank, yet the Obelisk apparently was hidden for decades while the prototype tank wasn't?
Nah, I'm fully on board with a second functional Obelisk of Darkness not existing.
The naval laser systems are anti-air (to be fair, anti-missile, but I'm pretty sure the planes getting hit wouldn't quibble over that detail). Their original prototypes were based on Nod gatling lasers with the intent to replace the rail gun arrays on Wolverine Mk 3s. That didn't work out and it was adjusted to be an anti-missile system (which would go on to be further developed into the PDS remote stations on Predators, etc). Has it turned out that GDI cracked the "point powerful lasers at the sky and hit things" that Nod never managed outside of a rogue AI?
...Probably not yet. I mean, the entire design is based on a Nod laser minigun, not a laser turret or Obelisk. If at some point we funded the Steel Talons exploring their Heavy Combat Laser development, on the other hand? I'm just imagining the gnashing of teeth of Nod warlords if we had an anti-air "obelisk" system before Nod figured out how to do it.
To be fair, I'm about 98% sure that the Initiative already had a liquid Tiberium bomb program running before TW3. Australia wasn't a peaceful Tiberium research station with a few dozen liters of research samples on hand, that kind of thing doesn't convert an entire continent into a Red Zone. Reading between the lines I think it went off like a bomb because they were playing around with bombs, or at least bomb-tier volumes of refined liquid Tiberium in a concentrated enough configuration to sympathetically detonate. Civilian research just doesn't need that much boom in that small a space, and the fact that we suddenly whipped a fully functional LT bomb out of our ass in the middle of a genocidal alien invasion/apocalyptic world war/the worst industrial disaster in a generation threesome from Hell is deeply suspicious. It's really fuckin' pushing the boundaries of believability even for C&C if GDI came up with and built that from scratch in a few months instead of already having the plans/parts around.
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