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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition

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[X]Plan Diplomatic Support for Karachi
-[X] Seoul
--[X] Propose (-15 PS)
-[X] Karachi Trade Route
--[X] Campaign (-15 PS)
-[X] Technological Transfers
--[X] Campaign (-15 PS)
-[X] Military Concessions
--[X] Propose (-0 PS)
-[X] Tiberium Abatement Coordination
--[X] Lobby (-10 PS)

-55 PS, total.

Again, pushing for a diplomatic solution to our Karachi commitment, with a side of "establish a lasting agreement." Not putting forth anything on the "Trade Policy" section allows our diplomats maximum freedom without spending the PS to propose each option there.
 
[X] Plan Diplomatic Support for Karachi + Taiwan
-[X] Seoul
--[X] Propose (-15 PS)
-[X] Karachi Trade Route
--[X] Campaign (-15 PS)
-[X] Taiwan
--[X] Propose (-0 PS)
-[X] Technological Transfers
--[X] Campaign (-15 PS)
-[X] Military Concessions
--[X] Propose (-0 PS)
-[X] Tiberium Abatement Coordination
--[X] Lobby (-10 PS)


[X] Plan Treasury Needs
-[X] Limited Navigation
--[X] Propose (-15 PS)
-[X] Taiwan
--[X] Propose (-0 PS)
-[X] Karachi Trade Route
--[X] Campaign (-15 PS)
-[X] Technological Transfers
--[X] Campaign (-15 PS)
-[X] Tiberium Abatement Coordination
--[X] Lobby(-10 PS)


[X]Plan Diplomatic Support for Karachi
 
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[X]Plan Diplomatic Support for Karachi
[X]Plan Seo Goes to India v1.1

Peace in our time. Remember, we're not alone.
 
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Zanfib said:
If we try to negotiate for Karachi but can't get a deal, and then we attack to get Karachi anyway, it will make us look untrustworthy, and might scuttle any deal we do get.

If we don't include Karachi in the negotiations, then us attacking to get it is just business as usual and won't be viewed as a backstab.
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Any major offensive against any of these warlords that happens within a year or so of the negotiations will be seen as, in some sense, a backstab. Certainly by those warlords! Never underestimate the human aptitude for rationalization. In this case, both their rationalization of the attack as a betrayal even if we never strictly promised not to do that, and OUR rationalization of a massive amphibious invasion on the same scale as Operation Downfall directed against a large slice of territory near the Bannerjee heartland as "just business as usual."
 
[X] Plan Diplomatic Support for Karachi + Taiwan + Limited Nav
-[X] Seoul
--[X] Propose (-15 PS)
-[X] Limited Navigation
--[X] Propose (-15 PS)
-[X] Karachi Trade Route
--[X] Campaign (-15 PS)
-[X] Taiwan
--[X] Propose (-0 PS)
-[X] Technological Transfers
--[X] Campaign (-15 PS)
-[X] Military Concessions
--[X] Propose (-0 PS)
-[X] Tiberium Abatement Coordination
--[X] Lobby (-10 PS)

[X] Plan Diplomatic Support for Karachi + Taiwan + Limited Nav - Tech
-[X] Seoul
--[X] Propose (-15 PS)
-[X] Limited Navigation
--[X] Propose (-15 PS)
-[X] Karachi Trade Route
--[X] Campaign (-15 PS)
-[X] Taiwan
--[X] Propose (-0 PS)
-[X] Military Concessions
--[X] Propose (-0 PS)
-[X] Tiberium Abatement Coordination
--[X] Lobby (-10 PS)

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[X] Plan Limited Goals
 
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[X] Plan Limited Goals
-[X] Seoul: Propose (-15 PS)
-[X] Limited Navigation: Propose (-15 PS)
-[X] Karachi Trade Route: Insist (-25 PS)
-[X] Tiberium Abatement Coordination: Lobby(-10 PS)

[X] Plan Focus In, Spend Heavily
-[X] Limited Navigation: Propose (-15 PS)
-[X] Karachi Trade Route: Insist (-25 PS)
-[X] Tiberium Abatement Coordination: Campaign (-20 PS)

Approval voting Simon's plan similar costs for both, and both have the key thing we want to get out of the negotiations, Karachi.
 
NickAragua said:
Trust me, it was intentional, lol
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Hah hah. Ha, haha. Hah.

But seriously. I don't see the Bannerjees parting with the ability to besiege BZ-18 or tolerating the threat to their western flank without an equal or greater guarantee of their security. Granting territorial waters means we can keep our ships on our side and their ships on theirs:

Ithillid said:
[ ] Establishment of Territorial Waters
Rather than trying to establish specific trade lanes, divvying up the south pacific between GDI and the Brotherhood of Nod would substantially deconflict the interests of the parties involved in this affair. While it would almost certainly allow Yao to be militarily reinforced, and politically propped up, and therefore unpopular with the Initiative's hardliners, it would also ensure that the Initiative can keep Brotherhood heavy assets south of Taiwan, and far from territory currently held by the Initiative.
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So less confrontations at sea. The price is that we also allow Bannerjees, Bintang and Yao to support eachother by maritime trade, but they're already doing that by cargo sub. So we'd be giving up the opportunity to woe Yao over, but in exchange GDI and NOD grant each other the tools to deal with their main strategic weaknesses and make it mutually difficult to attack each other.
 
[X]Plan: Leave it to the diplomats
-[X] Karachi Trade Route
--[X] Campaign (-15 PS)
-[X] Technological Transfers
--[X] Campaign (-15 PS)


MightbeaMimic said:
Okay, here's my plans


Plan: Minimalist as fuck
[ ] Technological Transfers
The Brotherhood still has many secrets up their sleeves. While extracting them is likely to be difficult, especially with the Brotherhood's own obscurantism in the way of making sure that the systems work properly. Extorting technology would be a bit of a grab bag, with little way to know for sure the value of what is being transferred until after the deal is finalized.
-[ ] Lobby (-5 PS) (-2 Mad Science)


Basically, we don't ask for Karachi because we're prepared to take it anyway and I don't like the idea of having to give major concessions to Nod
We also don't get involved with the trade routes because that's up to the diplomats to decide. It'll probably IMO end up with Limited Navigation in that case which I'm fine with. Tech transfers because we have to at least ask for it. I don't care about the Mad Science meter going down because I'm perfectly happy with doing more Mad Science

And

Plan: Military approved
[ ] Technological Transfers
The Brotherhood still has many secrets up their sleeves. While extracting them is likely to be difficult, especially with the Brotherhood's own obscurantism in the way of making sure that the systems work properly. Extorting technology would be a bit of a grab bag, with little way to know for sure the value of what is being transferred until after the deal is finalized.
-[ ] Lobby (-5 PS) (-2 Mad Science)

[ ] Verified Humanitarian Supplies Only
Shifting the needle further from what had been agreed upon, the idea of allowing the Initiative to investigate carried supplies and pilot the ships while in waters within a reasonable distance of an Initiative coastline, would maximize security, but only at the cost of jeopardizing the deal entirely.
-[ ] Propose (-15 PS)

Basically the same but we propose reducing what we give based on the recommendations of our military advisors. Honestly I'd rather go for the first plan but hey, this is an option
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You'll need to do below for each of your plans So that the plan names actually pop up.

[X]Plan: Minimalist as fuck
-[X] Technological Transfers
--[X] Lobby (-5 PS) (-2 Mad Science)

[X]Plan: Military approved
-[X] Technological Transfers
--[X] Lobby (-5 PS) (-2 Mad Science)
-[X] Verified Humanitarian Supplies Only
--[X] Propose (-15 PS)

[X] Plan Treasury Needs

[x] Plan: Render Unto GDI the spoils of its victory.
 
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[X] Plan: Render Unto GDI the spoils of its victory.
-[X] Verified Humanitarian Supplies Only
--[X] Lobby (-25 PS)
-[X] Taiwan
--[X] Propose (-0 PS)
-[X] Karachi Trade Route
--[X] Campaign (-15 PS)
-[X] Technological Transfers
--[X] Insist (-25 PS)
-[X] Military Concessions
--[X] Campaign (-10 PS)


(This is totally expected to be something where Nod goes 'fuck no'.)

EDIT: (You saw nothing Revned, nothing :p )
 
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Hazard said:
[X] Plan: Render Unto GDI the spoils of its victory.
-[X] Verified Humanitarian Supplies Only
--[X] Lobby (-25 PS)
-[X] Taiwan
--[X] Propose (-0 PS)
-[X] Karachi Trade Route
--[X] Campaign (-15 PS)
-[X] Technological Transfers
--[X] Insist (-25 PS)
-[X] Military Concessions
--[X] Campaign (-10 PS)
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You need to add -, before Each [], Like I edited in above. Otherwise the tally will read them all as separate plans.
 
HousePet said:
I don't see any point trying to influence where it happens. Not for 15 PS.
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Seoul gives a bonus to GDI diplomats actually getting a deal, which I think is valuable - other locations give other benefits, which I presume are likely pretty good. They might not be definitely worth 15 PS, but we are on track to be getting *fucktons* of PS this plan.
TripleTango said:
So less confrontations at sea. The price is that we also allow Bannerjees, Bintang and Yao to support eachother by maritime trade, but they're already doing that by cargo sub. So we'd be giving up the opportunity to woe Yao over, but in exchange GDI and NOD grant each other the tools to deal with their main strategic weaknesses and make it mutually difficult to attack each other.
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They would be able to ship many times more by regular ship than they are transporting by sub. It's not a trivial price.
 
[X] Plan Diplomatic Support for Karachi + Taiwan + Limited Nav
-[X] Seoul
--[X] Propose (-15 PS)
-[X] Limited Navigation
--[X] Propose (-15 PS)
-[X] Karachi Trade Route
--[X] Campaign (-15 PS)
-[X] Taiwan
--[X] Propose (-0 PS)
-[X] Technological Transfers
--[X] Campaign (-15 PS)
-[X] Military Concessions
--[X] Propose (-0 PS)
-[X] Tiberium Abatement Coordination
--[X] Lobby (-10 PS)

Basically what my plan was going for, but with more spending. Aces in my book.
 
Lightwhispers said:
Seoul gives a bonus to GDI diplomats actually getting a deal, which I think is valuable - other locations give other benefits, which I presume are likely pretty good. They might not be definitely worth 15 PS, but we are on track to be getting *fucktons* of PS this plan.
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Yes, but this doesn't guarantee that it even happens at the location we suggest. The talks will be happening at a location, of which there will be some benefits of. All we are doing is spending at least 15 PS to slightly increase the chance of it being a specific location of our choice.
And that we are getting "fucktons" of PS this plan, does not mean that we couldn't be getting something much better with the 15 PS.
 
[X]Plan Seo Goes to India v1.1
[X]Plan Diplomatic Support for Karachi
[X] Plan Treasury Needs
[X]Plan: Leave it to the diplomats

Honestly, Karachi is the most important thing. Limited Navigation or Territorial Waters, either works. Honestly, a Karachi Trade Route would work well for the Bannerjees, as that's a logi hub that could be useful for trade between GDI and them.
 
Ithillid said:
[ ] Technological Transfers
The Brotherhood still has many secrets up their sleeves. While extracting them is likely to be difficult, especially with the Brotherhood's own obscurantism in the way of making sure that the systems work properly. Extorting technology would be a bit of a grab bag, with little way to know for sure the value of what is being transferred until after the deal is finalized.
-[-] Propose (-0 PS)
-[ ] Lobby (-5 PS) (-2 Mad Science)
-[ ] Campaign (-15 PS)
-[ ] Insist (-25 PS)
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Is there a reason only lobby affects mad science?
 
[X] Plan: Minimalist as fuck
[X] Technological Transfers
The Brotherhood still has many secrets up their sleeves. While extracting them is likely to be difficult, especially with the Brotherhood's own obscurantism in the way of making sure that the systems work properly. Extorting technology would be a bit of a grab bag, with little way to know for sure the value of what is being transferred until after the deal is finalized.
-[X] Lobby (-5 PS) (-2 Mad Science)



The diplomats will do a perfectly good job without us butting in and ruining things. If we start doing things like pushing for Karachi then we're trying to essentially push for a deal that is heavily unbalanced in our favour. It will then either crash and burn or the diplomats will have to give the Nod factions major concessions. I don't think that's a good idea
 
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