I feel obliged to point out that it would only consume most of our Free Dice if the Bays/Lunar Base/Island Class Stations are not more efficient then the current average 150 people in space per die from Columbia.
I fear we will face the same lesson the socialist learnt in weimer republic (working with the you know who) that working with these people will lead to them become more dangerous not less
tbh I see no path where this does not happen
I was arguing against your statement that
Which is completely unsupported by any evidence. The statement we do have indicates that to reduce the size of IF we need to take option A and not option B. Any idea that supporting the racism party will somehow cause them to break apart and get weaker needs citations since it goes completely against what we actually have been told, which is that supporting them gives them legitimacy.
And I can add as far as I know the followup stations/project from Colombia are supposed to be much more pop/dice efficient.
Without saying or implying anything about the in-universe facts, I observe that GDI separatist faction(s) were part of the command & conquer 4 plot, that this is a C&C quest that stations of the canon-wise is currently before the incident that incited said faction(s)' sedition, and furthermore that this quest's political outcomes are mostly probabilistic with narrative weighting.
We can shave off many, but probably not all.
We know (from discord discussion) that the IF party (like pretty much all parties) does have a bunch of different factions under their tent. They're not monolithic. So, it make sense that their politicians would have varying levels of bigotry, even if they don't vary as much as their base does.
There are no guarantees. Well, there's one guarantee, and that's that there aren't any others.
mean that we can only use free dice on a department when all dice from every department are in use or when all dice in the department we want to use them in are active?
Here's the thing. This following part of the plan is important
In which we tell IF to go fuck themselves while still doing the non racist goals and not giving them any credit for it. You know, almost like that's exactly what I have been saying we should do this entire time.
Here and in other places. So yeah, lets do the forts, lets do the zone armour, lets do SADN. Let's just do so while explicitly not accepting any support from people who's main goal seems to be apartheid in the short term and likely kicking out a significant portion of our population in the long term because of where they were born
As Dmol8 has previously shown, our previous policy on IF has been to deny them political wins while then doing the non racist stuff their voters want in order to undercut any points they try to make and reduce their talking points.We know (from discord discussion) that the IF party (like pretty much all parties) does have a bunch of different factions under their tent. They're not monolithic. So, it make sense that their politicians would have varying levels of bigotry, even if they don't vary as much as their base does.
My question is, how does the situation where we don't return IF calls, but do some of what they want, make their politicians any less able to trumpet "we got these things done", except now they can add "even though the Director of the Treasury is trying to drive us out of GDI"?
Politicians being creatures noted for adhering strictly to the truth, after all...
For the first, taking the higher version also includes the lower version. So it doesn't count as one vote. Or that's how it's worked in the past. And if it didn't, we wouldn't be able to make some of the maximum promise levels.
No, you're ignoring the part of my post where I say that I believe we can counteract that. And then goes on to suggest methods we could use to do just that.
And I believe that through doing SADN, ZA and Fortress towns we can largely counteract the radicalisation of all but the already extreme racists amongst the IF voters, by getting them to go to other parties rather than the one everyone refuses to work with. Thus meaning that while IF does radicalise it does so because the moderates left, not because the voters themselves radicalised.
It means that you can only start using free dice outside of Tiberium once all dice from all departments are spent.
Right @Crazycryodude and @Simon_Jester you may want to reconsider taking the [ ] Do not activate Free Dice unless all Department Dice are active. (Putting Free Dice on the Tiberium Department is excepted.) objective in light of this.
| Plan All the Spinoffs | Plan Attempting to go to Space (without Initiative First) | Notes: | |
| Income: | 25%. 655 RpT. | 30%. 770 RpT. -10 PS. | |
| Cap Goods Capstones: | 4 Captones. | 3 Capstones. -10 PS. | |
| Food: | 50 Con Goods. | 40 Con Goods. -5 PS. | Currently getting ~13 from perennials over next few turns. Committed to +12 from dairy. |
| Space Pop: | 10k. +10 PS, +Dev, +Starbound | 20k, +20 PS, +++Starbound | |
| Spin off Commitments: | Bureau of Arcologies +15 RpT. -10 PS. CID. +15 RpT. -10 PS | ||
| Free Market Party | Take 4 Industrial Capstones | Plan All the Spinoffs gives the FMP 5 promises, but only 4 were required to hit the desired level of votes. Net result: more FMP support, better FMP performance in the next elections? | |
| Market Socialists | Four industrial Capstones. Three phases of Blue Zone Arcologies. +81 Weak Oppose Votes. | Plan All the Spinoffs gives the Market Socialists 8 promises, but only 7 were required to hit the desired level of votes. Net result: more MS support, better MS performance in the next elections? Not all plan goals are being included in the tally. May need manual check. | |
| Militarists | ASAT Phase 6 Island Class LHAs +4 Devs | +2 Ground Forces ZA Plants | As much as I hate the model, the LHA's are a very small deployment (converted shipyard, ~18 hulls) and an easy promise to make. GF ZA is probably more critical than ASAT phase 6. We'll probably want to do all the tech devs next plan, just so that we can incorporate the technology via new platforms and the refits department. |
| UYL | Three phases of Blue Zone Arcologies Department of Core Crops Refurbish post war housing. +20 Weakly Oppose Votes. | Increase GDI processing limit by at least 1200 | Plan All the Spinoffs strengthens the UYL, and we'll probably want both 3 phases or arcologies and refurbishing post war housing (w/ apartments ending soon). A big chunk of the processing limit will come from Chicago. And we'll probably want the rest if we're planning on increasing out income by at least 1200. |
| Starbound | Gain at least 100 RpT from offworld mining Fund all remaining probe missions Increase GDI Income by at least 1200 10k population in space +21 Strongly Oppose votes. | 20k population in space | Plan All the Spinoffs again overcommits by one promise (5 for 4). As above. |
| Socialist | 5 Blue Zone Arcologies 4 industrial capstones +10 Strongly Opposed votes | Plan All the Spinoffs misses a 'free' 1200 GDI income promise. Plan AtS: If we're agreeing to 5 BZA here, we're missing out on additional free promises from Market Socialists. Plan AtgtS is making more promises than needed to get the level of support, presumably due to them already being promised to others. As above. | |
| Developmentalists | Increase GDI processing limit by at least 1200 At least one Development project Every Turn | No more than 3 free dice in the military/turn +4 GF ZA | Plan AtS: if we're making the processing limit promise here, why aren't we doing it elsewhere? I'm not sure why both plans are going for 7 promises, when only 6 were required? Maybe that was a change on the original page? |
| Litinov | Department of Alternate Energy | Do not activate Free Dice (except for Tiberium) unless all Department Dice are active. Spend no more than two free dice per turn on Military. +Litinov Happiness Mystery Box |
Your plans are invalid until they actually specify what projects are being promised.
Yeah I'm going to do that thanks.
