[X] Plan Cap Goods, PS and Military
Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
- Location
- colombia
Not them, but probably because Arcologies are acualy high-quality, high-comfort housing.
- Location
- The Underdark
Basically, the Blue Zone Housing thing is building Commieblocks of the 2050s. Lots and lots and lots of cramped rooms with some fairly mediocre amenities compared to the Arcologies, which are about the same amount of housing, but it is nice housing with things to do and places to be. A fairly decent chunk of your population is tired of living in a concrete slab with some windows is another way to read this.
You noticed it last turn, taking this turn for the bureaucracy to do its thing, and then next turn or the turn after it will show up.
More like the non innovative capital goods projects will never get marked high priority, because they are purely treasury internal.@Ithillid , care to comment?
Think about it this way. The Navy does not particularly care how you go about getting the goods to do the Governor lines, the UYL did not care how you got the capital goods to get the Light Industrial Sectors. You can do that several different ways, and that is something where it is up to you.
Given that the name is exactly the same, I would think so.
It is almost entirely because you are having to build the yards completely from scratch, rather than what you are doing with the Governors, which is take a line intended for a 60,000 + ton displacement battleship, chopping it effectively in half, for a pair of 17,000 ton displacement cruisers.
The space mining is a nice bonus but I mostly want it for another round of space project discounts rather than mining income. Plus we do have Lunar prospecting results coming in soon and hopefully there'll be enough to at least let us get started. I want to keep making progress on orbital cleanup so we can get another phase of comm sats in, but if it's important I could turn one of the 10R Services dice into a 5R die to get the bit of cash needed to do a probe die.
ConfusedCanuck
Where did it all go wrong?
- Location
- Neverland
[X] Plan Cap Goods, PS and Military
[X] Plan Capitally Urgent
[X] Plan Capitally Urgent, Funds for Steel Talons, Get Your First Shots, Cleanup on Aisle LEO
[X] Plan Capitally Urgent
[X] Plan Capitally Urgent, Funds for Steel Talons, Get Your First Shots, Cleanup on Aisle LEO
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Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
[X] Plan Capitally Urgent
- Location
- Outside the Box
- Pronouns
- She/Her
We did [] Near Body Survey Probes in Q2 2054. It's been 7 quarters since then and we still haven't gotten any results from it in the main quest. [] Inner System Survey Probes and [] Asteroid Belt Survey Probes are each going to have an even longer lead-time. Now that we're not rushing the Philadelphia II we should launch one of these survey probe projects soon; this turn preferably. Every quarter we delay now is a quarter before we can extend space mining beyond just the Moon/Mars.
If you switched [] Domestic Animal Programs for another die on [] Game Development Studios, then used the 5 resources to switch [] Orbital Cleanup for [] Inner System Survey Probes or [] Asteroid Belt Survey Probes, I would vote for your plan. It's very similar to what I was considering, especially how you try to do all our Very High Priority military projects ASAP.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
I don't think it's quite that simple. Different branches have different levels of screaming, and we're gonna get hilariously imbalanced results if we don't slip at least a few dice to things that are 'merely' High or middling priority. For instance, realistically the MARV train's not gonna stop especially while we're in the middle of building a hub and a fleet, and realistically we need the Orca refits pretty damn badly even if they're not being screamed for as hard as the 'Very Highs.'
Likewise, the Steel Talons want to work on gatling lasers, and I bet a lot of other branches would consider it very important... but not until after we roll it out with the Talons and they can go all "wait, gatling lasers are a thing now!? We can just... have those!?"
I mean maybe, but that basically requires us to spend like 3-4 Free dice on Bureaucracy, which we normally prefer not to do. Rolling out two huge reform packages within three months is still pretty good and doesn't force us to compromise other goals like "kick Nod around" and "get North Boston chugging along better so we can kick Nod around more vigorously with better war factories."
I don't think the Containment Facilities project is important enough to justify shorting Chicago. One die on Chicago will free up 5R and won't bring us anywhere near actually completing those Chicagoland refineries too late to use the new H-G method in them.
I strongly recommend taking a die off Shala and putting it on orbital cleanup. We could use the Resource surge a turn or two down the line, and there's a damn good +PS option gated behind it. Given that we need all the +PS we can get in the near future to enact the union/co-op moves
With important public health options and so on, completely starving the Services sector of resources isn't going to be attractive anymore, I think. Flipping a die from Shala to cleanup and from Silos to Chicago would free up a total of 15 Resources, enough to upgrade a die or two to something that's more actually legit important.
Military's not gonna like a cut in Free dice investment when they're explicitly begging for stuff. I get the logic but it's gonna hurt. Personally I recommend two dice on Hampton Roads (2 dice/turn on shipyards is probably about the maximum we can sustain without crippling ourselves in the long run) and putting one die on Orca refits or better yet Gatling lasers. We don't want the Steel Talons saying "I KNEW IT, THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT" because we spent literally zero dice on them this turn when they're just starting to wonder if we might actually be willing to fund them or if they're just hallucinating the new Wolverines.
Also, slow-walking that very first Governor yard might be a good idea just in case we get staggeringly unlucky and the Cap Goods projects misfire somehow. We can start slamming them out harder with some chance of overkill on a good roll when we know we have the Capital Goods to support the project properly.
I suppose that's fair... but by the same token we kind of cast into question our ability to spare dice for the rest of the military by doing that AND the 3-die MARV expansion. At that point we really want to pry loose the Free dice from other areas, even if it means high priority projects not getting completed, because there are other high priorities in the military. That Zone Armor factory, for example.
Yeah that's what I was considering doing, the pet program was mostly in there as a thing that gave PS but it's not a huge deal to cut this turn. I think I'll just go ahead and do it, nobody seems super attached to bringing back cats one turn earlier than we would have otherwise and we should get the ball rolling on surveys.
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- ?????????
[X] Plan Capitally Urgent
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- barking
[X] Plan Capitally Urgent
@Ithillid about the superconductor foundry: would this have knock-on benefits towards all our high energy R&D projects? Or are we already making enough superconducting material to do those without issue, and the foundries are just for industrial consumption?
Projects like advanced railguns, lasers, ion cannons, alien tech, fusion power.
Similar question, would the foundry have any effect on military production? Like, I assume the railguns use superconductors for their rails, capacitors, and the like. Or are those already adequately supplied by their own, internal production lines?
Projects like advanced railguns, lasers, ion cannons, alien tech, fusion power.
Similar question, would the foundry have any effect on military production? Like, I assume the railguns use superconductors for their rails, capacitors, and the like. Or are those already adequately supplied by their own, internal production lines?
trooperist
Cinnamon Roll AI
Sure hope that continues to apply to yards for Escort Carriers. Given the historical displacement of Escort Carriers and the displacement of modern helicopter carriers, they should probably be around the same displacement as the Governor Cruiser.
- Location
- Milky Way
[X] Plan Capitally Urgent
The Dictionary of Islamic Architecture quoted here describes the Ka'aba shrine a 'a tall rectangular box-like structure 15 metres high with sides measuring 10.5 metres by 12 metres.' Considering that having entire houses moved by truck is far from rare in today's world and GDI can build MARVs which weigh hundreds of tons it seems well within the realm of possibility. It would have to be done very carefully, but the physical size of the shrine shouldn't be an obstacle.
The problem is that the Ka'aba isn't the whole focus. The Black Stone around which the Ka'aba is built is, according to Islamic tradition, the stone sent from Jannah (Heaven) by Allah to show where Adam and Eve were to build the first altar after they were exiled from the Garden of Eden. But it's also considered the marker for a gateway to Jannah, so the geographic location is vital as well, in the same way as the Temple Mount in Jerusalem is for Jews (some traditions of Judaism state that the foundation stone around which God formed the Earth is located within the Temple Mount). The other issue related to the Ka'aba's current site is that it is ritually cleansed every year with water from the ZamZam Well, located on the site of the Great Mosque of Mecca just like the Ka'aba. The Zamzam Well is also considered a holy site in Islamic tradition, and it obviously can't be moved. As a result moving the Ka'aba elsewhere could be pretty problematic.
Here's where things get really interesting. Ithillid mentioned in the Q4 results that Mecca was abandoned 'as the water supply became untenable.' Now Mecca's supply of drinking water comes from a treatment plant at Jeddah on the west coast of the Arabian Peninsula, fifty miles west of Mecca (check out BOTCommander's map on page 219, find the little Red Zone in eastern Africa where northern Ethiopia is now, trace a line north to the west coast of the Arabian Peninsula and there's Jeddah) and if Tiberium ate Jeddah then we can deal with that. But if Tiberium got into the water table for the Zamzam Well....
NOD is not just a terrorist group. They have fairly strong religious trappings, such as the Black Hand and their Confessors, and their devotion to the Messiah cult of Kane. But they have also shown plenty of skill at manipulating existing cultural and religious strictures, especially with their transhuman focus, and the idea of such a sacred site to a major religion being infused with Tiberium would be a massive boon to their recruiting efforts in the Yellow Zones. We really need to look at setting Mecca up as a Planned City like Chicago, and get it started at least.
@Ithillid What can you tell us about the Mecca situation?
Ahhh beans I forgot that we had more free dice-still, 15 R is enough to spend it pretty safely on a variety of things. Let's spend on some lasers I guess-get them ready.
[X] Plan Counter The Zeitgeist
Infrastructure: 5/5, 55 R
-[X] Tidal Power Plants (Phase 2) 4 dice 40 R
-[X] Yellow Zone Arcologies (Phase 1) 1 die 15 R 97%
Heavy Industry: 7/5, 100 R
-[X] Fusion Peaker Plants 1 die, 20 R 66%
-[X] Heavy Rolling Stock Plants 2 dice, 20 R 96%
-[X] Kure Machine Works: 3 Dice, 45 R 13%
Light and Chemical Industry: 6/4, 115 R
-[X] Chemical Precursor Plants 3 dice, 45 R 82%
-[X] Johannesburg Myomer Macrospinner (phase 1) 3 dice, 60 R 100% Phase 1, 12% Phase 2
Agriculture: 3/3, 30R
-[X] State Operated Breweries 1 dice 10 R 91%
-[X] Perennial Aquaponics Bays 2 dice 20 R 97%
Tiberium: 5/5 80 R
-[X] Tiberium Prospecting Expeditions (Phase 6) 2/200? 2 dice 10R 36%
-[X] Chicago Planned City (Phase 3) 2 dice, 40 R
-[X] Hewlett-Gardener Method Development 1 die, 30 R 100%
Orbital 3/3, 50R
-[X] GDSS Enterprise (Phase 3) 2 dice 40 R
-[X] Inner System Survey Probes 1 dice 10 R 41%
Services: 4/4, 20R
-[X] Game Development Studios 4 dice, 20 R 73%
Military: 7/5 75R
-[X] Reclamator Hub Red Zone 7 North (Progress 49/105) 1 die, 20 R 75%
-[X] Ablat Plating Deployment (phase 2) 2 dice, 20 R 36%
-[X] Governor Class Cruisers (Yokohama) 2 die, 40 R 11%
-[X] Rapid Fire Laser Weapons Development 1 die 15 R 91%
Bureaucracy: 3/3
-[X] Security Reviews (Military): 2 dice 99%
-[X] Search For A Successor 1 die auto
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- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
First, I hate not activating all our dice. Second, we probably shouldn't aggressively push Chicago hard while we haven't got the H-G process ready. I recommend turning the Infrastructure Chicago die (which is suboptimal anyway) into two Tidal Power dice. With near-mandatory military factories we'll be working hard on this year alone consuming a total of something like -14 or more Energy, Tidal Power is very important. Getting it done soon will mean the difference between being forced later this year to drastically slow our military production operations for lack of power, and being able to keep pushing another turn or two and make greater inroads into the demand for warships.
Again, seeing all these high priority projects shorted on dice is just hurting.
Without the extra Infrastructure expenditure on Chicago, this wouldn't ache so much.
With fusion dice this budgeting isn't even accurate; we could get three Orbital dice active for this price in several ways. Hell, we could have two dice on Shala and one on the resource-neutral orbital cleanup project for 50 R.
I'd like to remind you that it's quite dangerous to be building a Governor yard at three dice if you're not truly sure of getting +Capital Goods from somewhere this turn.
You're relying on Heavy Rolling Stock for that and it should pay off, but I feel like you're badly begrudging the industrial economy the dice it needs to support future expansions.
Also, doing the Titan Mk III deployment this turn is almost certainly a bad idea. We should give the Steel Talons a development project so they aren't stuck with zero dice, but we just did deployment for them like... last turn, I think, and we're very hard up for military dice to the point where you're slow-walking or ignoring at least three Very High priority projects.
True. To be fair, the shock construction was a response to making up a huge deficit of forcing everyone to live under extremely gray borderline dystopian conditions for years immediately after the war... but yeah.
If we get the union/co-op reforms done, maybe we can finally feel okay doing some grants to help with that Consumer Goods trickle need.