Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
I mean, it's in orbit, so it'd be pretty hard for them to attack effectively. The real threat is them launching another space attack, and the counter to that is our ASAT network, not our air force. If we're worried about that, we should be building Stage 3 of the ASAT Defense System, which is expensive but would give us exactly the kind of redundancy our command and control didn't have in Tiberium War III, enabling Nod to launch a single terrorist attack at Goddard that then paralyzed everything.
[grunts] Well, I don't like slow-walking the fiber optics project (something you share with the last plan I quoted), but this plan is closer to what I had in mind... though with some drawbacks. First, I'm pretty sure we're better off with two dice on the fusion prototype, because it's nearly impossible for the power production project to not finish even with three dice. Superconductor plants are very attractive because they let us get energy and capital goods from light industry dice, too...
The information we have is that Philadelphia stage 2 will either provide or enable projects for bonuses or extra dice. So, while stage 1 doesn't do much, just as with the other space stations, stages 2 and on will give significant benefits.
We have orbital supremacy, by virtue of the ASAT network, and it has an orbital control station so they can't pull the trick that worked at the beginning of C&C3. (That's what ASAT stage 2 did.)
As I recall our current ASAT is superior to GDIs pre-TW3 ASAT, without a masterstroke - such as what they pulled at the start of TW3 - it is unlikely that Nod can destroy our orbitals like they did back then.
Philadelphia II is attractive because it gates extra dice / roll bonuses, two things that we really really want.
- Location
- USA
[X] Plan Gimme the Fruit
With the new no energy cap good option we can wait on rolling stock so this plan makes sense and any I came up with would not be any different in a meaningful way.
With the new no energy cap good option we can wait on rolling stock so this plan makes sense and any I came up with would not be any different in a meaningful way.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
@Ithillid , is it true that we can spend two Tiberium dice on Chicago and zero Infrastructure dice?
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@sunrise , my concerns with this plan are:
1) No resources for fusion power prototyping.
2) No work on fiber optics or orbital communications, both things we really want done before the next election in order to increase voter participation. I get why you expect finishing more cleanup to be more efficient but there's still fiber optics.
3) No work done towards completing the Vertical Farming project that was half-begun last turn.
4) As discussed above, I'd love it if you could pry loose another 5 Resources to activate the fourth Services die and throw it at Childcare. We're almost as good at Services as we are at Tiberium, so leaving a Services die unactivated for lack of resources is almost as counterproductive as leaving a Tiberium die unrolled.
- Location
- The Underdark
Technically, yes.
Do we really want to restore democracy to a world threatened with destruction? Do we really want to give more tools to the NOD speakers?
- Location
- Milky Way
[X] Plan Superconductor Fusion and Communication
[X] Plan Superconductor Fusion and Communication Culture Version
Infrastructure (5 dice)
-[X] Blue Zone Arcologies (Phase 1), 2 dice (30 Resources)
-[X] Fiber-Optic Expansion, 1 dice (20 Resources)
Heavy Industry (5 dice)
-[X] Blue Zone Power Production Campaigns (Phase 2), 3 dice (30 Resources)
-[X] Fusion Power Prototype, 2 dice (40 Resources)
Light and Chemical Industry (3 dice + 1 Free)
-[X] Superconductor Foundries , 1 die (30 Resources)
-[X] Yellow Zone Light Industrial Sectors, 2 dice (20 Resources)
-[X] Security Reviews, 1 die
Agriculture (3 dice)
-[X] Perennial Aquaponics Bays, 1 dice (10 Resources)
-[X] Vertical Farming projects, 2 dice (30 Resources)
Tiberium (5 dice)
-[X] Blue Zone Perimeter Fencing (Phase 2), 4 dice (60 Resources)
Orbital (3 dice)
-[X] Expand Orbital Communications Network (Phase 2) ,2 dice (2 Fusion) (20 Resources)
-[X] Orbital Cleanup (Phase 2), 1 dice (15 Resources)
Services (4 dice)
-[X] Scrin Research Institutions, 1 Dice (30 Resources)
-[X] Childcare and Preschool programs, 1 Dice (5 Resources)
-[X] Ethnic Restaurant Program , 1 Dice (10 Resources)
-[X] Arts and Culture Grants, 1 die (10 Resources)
Military (5 dice +4 Free)
-[X] Super MARV Reclaimator Fleet (RZ-6 North), 3 Dice (60 Resources)
-[X] Reclaimator Hubs (RZ-6 South), 1 Die (20 Resources)
-[X] Toronto Apollo Fighter Factory, 1 die (15 Resources)
-[X] Valparaiso Apollo Fighter Factory, 1 die (15 Resources)
-[X] Copenhagen Hydrofoil Shipyard, 2 die (20 Resources)
-[X] Shell Plants (Phase 3), 1 die (10 Resources)
Bureaucracy (3 dice)
-[X] Security Reviews (LCI), 3 dice
Resources Available: 500
Resources Used: 500
Resources Remaining: 0
[X] Plan Superconductor Fusion and Communication Culture Version
Infrastructure (5 dice)
-[X] Blue Zone Arcologies (Phase 1), 2 dice (30 Resources)
-[X] Fiber-Optic Expansion, 1 dice (20 Resources)
Heavy Industry (5 dice)
-[X] Blue Zone Power Production Campaigns (Phase 2), 3 dice (30 Resources)
-[X] Fusion Power Prototype, 2 dice (40 Resources)
Light and Chemical Industry (3 dice + 1 Free)
-[X] Superconductor Foundries , 1 die (30 Resources)
-[X] Yellow Zone Light Industrial Sectors, 2 dice (20 Resources)
-[X] Security Reviews, 1 die
Agriculture (3 dice)
-[X] Perennial Aquaponics Bays, 1 dice (10 Resources)
-[X] Vertical Farming projects, 2 dice (30 Resources)
Tiberium (5 dice)
-[X] Blue Zone Perimeter Fencing (Phase 2), 4 dice (60 Resources)
Orbital (3 dice)
-[X] Expand Orbital Communications Network (Phase 2) ,2 dice (2 Fusion) (20 Resources)
-[X] Orbital Cleanup (Phase 2), 1 dice (15 Resources)
Services (4 dice)
-[X] Scrin Research Institutions, 1 Dice (30 Resources)
-[X] Childcare and Preschool programs, 1 Dice (5 Resources)
-[X] Ethnic Restaurant Program , 1 Dice (10 Resources)
-[X] Arts and Culture Grants, 1 die (10 Resources)
Military (5 dice +4 Free)
-[X] Super MARV Reclaimator Fleet (RZ-6 North), 3 Dice (60 Resources)
-[X] Reclaimator Hubs (RZ-6 South), 1 Die (20 Resources)
-[X] Toronto Apollo Fighter Factory, 1 die (15 Resources)
-[X] Valparaiso Apollo Fighter Factory, 1 die (15 Resources)
-[X] Copenhagen Hydrofoil Shipyard, 2 die (20 Resources)
-[X] Shell Plants (Phase 3), 1 die (10 Resources)
Bureaucracy (3 dice)
-[X] Security Reviews (LCI), 3 dice
Resources Available: 500
Resources Used: 500
Resources Remaining: 0
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Given part of their success in recruiting comes from people who felt abandoned by GDI, absolutely we do
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
On further reflection I could work with it too. The nigh-inevitable rollover onto Phase 2 of Blue Zone Power is probably just as well, and there aren't a lot of other things we could do with the liberated Heavy Industry die that wouldn't cost more Resources.
In a word, yes.
GDI seems, going by the content in the Results posts, to have no trouble moderating and blocking Nod propaganda from its Internet systems.
Angling to be the spokesperson for a brand new "Blue Zones First/Only Party"?
To answer the question though, yes we do. GDI is the world government and it should absolutely expand to cover as much of the world as is practical, over the long term we can start doing serious damage to Nod recruitment as people realise that 1) GDI is actually not that bad and 2) Things are much better with GDI taking an active hand in the yellow zones.
Rule 2: Don’t Be Hateful, or, "Your whole structure for the society you wish to realize is reminiscent to aggressively dystopian regimes, and the advocacy of concentration camps among other things paints a picture that doesn't reflect well on you."
I do not dispute that the GDI should penetrate into the yellow zone. But I believe that we must maintain the informational isolation of the yellow zones, blue zones and displaced persons between them. The Internet can be developed, but in the form of several decentralized networks, between which it is difficult to switch. This way we will be able to thoroughly filter the information entering the yellow zones, calm the population in the blue zones and calculate the agitators of the Brotherhood of NOD.
Or alternatively, we can build concentration camps and arrange a Spartan state with careful verification of personalities, observation of people to check their loyalty and isolation from the rest of the world with careful monitoring of incoming information. We can make it even more distopian!
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
[X] Plan Gimme the Fruit
Infrastructure (5 dice)
-[X] Blue Zone Arcologies (Phase 1), 2 dice (30 Resources)
-[X] Fiber-Optic Expansion, 1 die (20 Resources)
Heavy Industry (5 dice +1 Free)
-[X] Blue Zone Power Production Campaigns (Phase 1), 4 dice (40 Resources)
-[X] Fusion Power Prototype, 1 die (20 Resources)
-[X] Security Reviews, 1 die
Light and Chemical Industry (3 dice)
-[X] Yellow Zone Light Industrial Sectors, 2 dice (20 Resources)
-[X] Bulk Plastics Facilities, 1 die (10 Resources)
Agriculture (3 dice)
-[X] Vertical Farming projects, 2 dice (30 Resources)
-[X] Entari Development, 1 die (20 Resources)
Tiberium (5 dice)
-[X] Blue Zone Perimeter Fencing (Phase 2), 5 dice (75 Resources)
Orbital (3 dice)
-[X] GDSS Philadelphia II (Phase 1), 1 die (1 Fusion) (20 Resources)
-[X] Expand Orbital Communications Network (Phase 2), 1 die (1 Fusion) (10 Resources)
-[X] Orbital Cleanup (Phase 2), 1 die (15 Resources)
Services (4 dice)
-[X] Scrin Research Institutions, 1 die (30 Resources)
-[X] Childcare and Preschool programs, 2 dice (10 Resources)
-[X] Arts and Culture Grants, 1 die (10 Resources)
Military (5 dice +4 Free)
-[X] Super MARV Reclaimator Fleet (RZ-6 North), 3 dice (60 Resources)
-[X] Reclaimator Hubs (RZ-6 South), 1 die (20 Resources)
-[X] Toronto Apollo Fighter Factory, 1 die (15 Resources)
-[X] Valparaiso Apollo Fighter Factory, 1 die (15 Resources)
-[X] Copenhagen Hydrofoil Shipyard, 2 dice (20 Resources)
-[X] Shell Plants (Phase 3), 1 die (10 Resources)
Bureaucracy (3 dice)
-[X] Security Reviews (HI), 3 dice
Resources Available: 500
Resources Used: 500
Resources Remaining: 0
Yeah, I'll go for Cryo's modified version of my old plan.
Infrastructure (5 dice)
-[X] Blue Zone Arcologies (Phase 1), 2 dice (30 Resources)
-[X] Fiber-Optic Expansion, 1 die (20 Resources)
Heavy Industry (5 dice +1 Free)
-[X] Blue Zone Power Production Campaigns (Phase 1), 4 dice (40 Resources)
-[X] Fusion Power Prototype, 1 die (20 Resources)
-[X] Security Reviews, 1 die
Light and Chemical Industry (3 dice)
-[X] Yellow Zone Light Industrial Sectors, 2 dice (20 Resources)
-[X] Bulk Plastics Facilities, 1 die (10 Resources)
Agriculture (3 dice)
-[X] Vertical Farming projects, 2 dice (30 Resources)
-[X] Entari Development, 1 die (20 Resources)
Tiberium (5 dice)
-[X] Blue Zone Perimeter Fencing (Phase 2), 5 dice (75 Resources)
Orbital (3 dice)
-[X] GDSS Philadelphia II (Phase 1), 1 die (1 Fusion) (20 Resources)
-[X] Expand Orbital Communications Network (Phase 2), 1 die (1 Fusion) (10 Resources)
-[X] Orbital Cleanup (Phase 2), 1 die (15 Resources)
Services (4 dice)
-[X] Scrin Research Institutions, 1 die (30 Resources)
-[X] Childcare and Preschool programs, 2 dice (10 Resources)
-[X] Arts and Culture Grants, 1 die (10 Resources)
Military (5 dice +4 Free)
-[X] Super MARV Reclaimator Fleet (RZ-6 North), 3 dice (60 Resources)
-[X] Reclaimator Hubs (RZ-6 South), 1 die (20 Resources)
-[X] Toronto Apollo Fighter Factory, 1 die (15 Resources)
-[X] Valparaiso Apollo Fighter Factory, 1 die (15 Resources)
-[X] Copenhagen Hydrofoil Shipyard, 2 dice (20 Resources)
-[X] Shell Plants (Phase 3), 1 die (10 Resources)
Bureaucracy (3 dice)
-[X] Security Reviews (HI), 3 dice
Resources Available: 500
Resources Used: 500
Resources Remaining: 0
Yeah, I'll go for Cryo's modified version of my old plan.
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trooperist
Cinnamon Roll AI
Isn't that already half the Hawk party?
Dezron
In the Omnissiah we trust !
- Location
- Poland
You really want to waste time and resources to make real life Nineteen Eighty-Four ?
Or, we can actually do better than clumsy, heavy-handed measures that are likely to be counterproductive.
We are capable of doing better, so we will. Creating a dystopia is not our goal, and if you want that, this is not the quest for you.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Plan Gimme the Fruit
Okay, what even is your position? You want information control, and then suddely, expanding into YZ is dystopian?
No, I want to ensure control over information to have control over the population, not allowing them to be informed about the true state of affairs. We can create information in the blue zones about constant conflicts in the hard and red zones, maintain the image of the enemy who is always nearby. Create a red and black alarm, where no one will think about us. On the contrary, the population will gladly sign war bonds.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I hope you are memeing.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
[X] Plan Gimme the Fruit
To tackle some things that came up before the update post...
You're effectively complaining about things that either aren't our business in this quest, or that would have happened in the backstory before the Second Tiberium War, let alone the third one.
I don't understand why you think coal would be useful.
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Aaand back to the present.
We want to use tiberium abatement to turn Yellow Zone borderlands back into Blue. We want to use industrial projects and economic expansions to make defending Yellow Zones important to GDI's overall welfare. We want to make it easy for Yellow Zoners to communicate with the Blue Zoners and make it clear that we're not just exploiting the Yellow Zone populations as slaves or anything.
Yellow Zone populations are going to hear what Nod has to say no matter what we do. What we want to change is that they will also hear what GDI has to say. And that requires open lines of communication between the Blue and Yellow Zones. The penetration of GDI into the Yellow Zones cannot run both ways.
This is a terrible idea and it sounds more like something you're suggesting because you have a fetish for totalitarian dystopias than because you think it will actually help.
To tackle some things that came up before the update post...
GDI is monolithic because of the existence of Nod as a common enemy. Nod is not monolithic, but is very firmly loyal to Kane, giving it global reach. The various GDI Blue Zones are too small and too threatened by Nod to function as separate states, and many of them are the final remnants of multiple pre-tiberium nation states that have been "rolled up" into a small remnant.
You're effectively complaining about things that either aren't our business in this quest, or that would have happened in the backstory before the Second Tiberium War, let alone the third one.
No, the problem is that we can only mine uranium so fast and there are few or no untapped mines. The nuclear fuel supply might eventually run out, but the immediate problem is that we can't easily double our production of fissile materials to operate twice as many plants. Whereas we could maintain the existing fission reactor infrastructure, and a new fusion reactor infrastructure as well, for quite a long time.
Uh... tiberium, at least in this stage, is a rock. A green glowing rock. Not an organic substance. We could probably get some organic substances out of tiberium, but why coal? Burning coal is a terrible idea for us right now, because tiberium's done so much damage to the planetary biosphere that the Earth's ability to process CO2 back into oxygen has been massively compromised. If we didn't have a 'green energy' power grid the Earth would probably be runaway greenhouse-ing anyway.
I don't understand why you think coal would be useful.
We ate a big Political Support penalty for that, and I suspect that's part of the reason why.
Only if you can burn it without triggering a runaway greenhouse effect. Which we can't.
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Aaand back to the present.
This is a fucking terrible idea. Nod agitators don't have magic powers. We don't need to quarantine them away from the blue zone populations. If anything we want the opposite. We want to take Yellow Zone populations and turn them into 'Green Zones.' That is, populations whose lifestyles and cultural identity are somewhere between Blue and Yellow.
We want to use tiberium abatement to turn Yellow Zone borderlands back into Blue. We want to use industrial projects and economic expansions to make defending Yellow Zones important to GDI's overall welfare. We want to make it easy for Yellow Zoners to communicate with the Blue Zoners and make it clear that we're not just exploiting the Yellow Zone populations as slaves or anything.
Yellow Zone populations are going to hear what Nod has to say no matter what we do. What we want to change is that they will also hear what GDI has to say. And that requires open lines of communication between the Blue and Yellow Zones. The penetration of GDI into the Yellow Zones cannot run both ways.
What the fuck are you talking about here? Do you want this? Do you think anyone else wants it?
For what purpose?
This would not be beneficial, would make GDI weaker on net by limiting our ability to react rationally to the situation, and also be illegal because GDI is already a democracy and has a constitution with civil rights and so on.
This is a terrible idea and it sounds more like something you're suggesting because you have a fetish for totalitarian dystopias than because you think it will actually help.
ConfusedCanuck
Where did it all go wrong?
- Location
- Neverland
[X] Plan Gimme the Fruit
I'll vote for this since it has what I want.
I'll vote for this since it has what I want.
This betrays a complete lack of knowledge of the current situation. GDI is actually a democracy. Anyone proposing this sort of massive change, would probably be detained InOps on suspicion of being a NOD agitator.
Also, there is no functional economy that would allow for war bonds to be a thing.
If you're being serious about this as your goal, you're in the wrong quest. If you're not being serious, you need to work hard to change your framing, because that is not coming across at all.