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Who Needs Harmony?: An MLP Empire Quest

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The Void King said:
Ok but don't say I didn't warn you

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The musings of a chaotic spirt on fate

Fate

What a strange word Fate is, So small yet so big. So much weight is put into such a word yet to few ever truly understand it.

But not I no no no, I understands it well Why do you think your little empire Lives My audience?
Surprised are you hmm, and why shouldn't you be after all I planed this beginning why else would The little Rose find that book And the King would conveniently drink himself to death when I was sealed?
My my you think you would learn there are no such thing as coincidence in this world my audience

What you think I didn't know I would get sealed? ha ha ha I am a God and a VERY powerful one at that even though fate is not my realm dose not mean I can't affect it after all it is the nature of chaos to change

What was that saying you mortals have? Ah yes there it is

Fate is not set in stone,
My dear human
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Neat. +5 to a roll.

Jam jar binks said:
A Draconequus' Curiosity


Fate.

Always there, always weaving away. Never able to be broken no matter what I do, no matter what I change.

I was angry at first, when I found out what was planned. I was to be a bring of unity! I was to be turned to stone, let out a few thousand years later to test some aspiring student, and then just fade away! So I tried to stop, or at least change fate. When that didn't work I decided that if I couldn't change my fate, I could at least enjoy the time before my end.

Enjoy I did, what caught my fancy I toyed with, and what annoyed me I, well- let's not talk of those not here. And before too long, they came. The sisters, my to be jailers. I fought, I used many a trick, laid some for later. They fought, and brought the elements to bear. Those rainbow rock candies of fate.

I may be a god of disharmony, but even I am beholden to fate.

I was stone.

'And so,' I remember thinking, 'this is it, my end.'

But then, a change. It was unthinkable! Where I, The God Of Disharmony and Chaos failed, some Emperor succeeded in killing himself by drink! I was livid. I was overjoyed. but more than that, I was curious. What had changed? So I used what scraps of my power remained in this stone tomb and looked into the endless probabilities of the world, the chaos that underpins all of reality.

And I laughed. I howled. I screamed. I saw.

Threads.

Stretching across and beyond the infinite.

Beings, the likes of which I had never seen. Not able to do much more than nudge things, but I of all beings know that sometime a nudge is all you need. And so a nudge here, a mix up in the distillation process there, and a Emperor is dead.

I looked further. A merchant heir, a warrior wife. The rise of an Empire unlike any before. The Emperor's seeming foreknowledge of what to do. I was confused, not and easy task for one such as me, but confused I was. Why had they made sure that such an Empire would come into being? Why would it benefit them?

With burning curiosity, I looked Deeper.

And I saw the truth. What had seemed like good fortune and a strangely knowledgeable Emperor was in fact a front for more of these beings. They decided what to research, where to explore. And they were so delightfully chaotic! Endless arguing, infighting, and dreaming.

But more so, I saw plans. What they wished to see the world come to. An amalgam of dissonance and harmony. A story. A game.

I could not agree more.

Fate has much power, but even it can be broken. It just seemed that it took a little while longer than most.

And so I with drew my gaze back into my stone prison and waited.

I cannot wait to see what happens, can You, dear Questers?


Omake inspired by


Pretty much my first attempt at anything like this :/
Edit: Omake for @Questor
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Very very interesting. +10 to a roll.

Lurking_Badger said:
People talking about Omakes. People writing Omakes. People using Omakes. I guess it is Omake time. Edit: Yo @Questor, I wrote a thing for you!

#1 Rule of Time Travel: Don't​

It was another wonderful and peaceful day in Ponyville, which meant that a monster attack, random villain appearance, world ending calamity, ancient evil, and/or magical mishap was about to happen. In this case it was the last one. It all started when Twilight Sparkle decided to research some forgotten history.

"Twilight, are you sure this is safe? Whenever someone messes with time it ends really badly."

Twilight looked up from the large magical array that she was finishing off. "Ok Spike, tell me one instance where time travel didn't work out-"

Spike started lifting up fingers. "Well, there was-"

"-and didn't get resolved in a timely manner."

All of his fingers dropped. "Huh, I can't really. But how do you know it won't happen this time? I mean what if we change something and then don't realize it."

"It isn't going to happen. I've already checked over Star Swirl's essays on time travel, read all of the books I barrowed from Dr. Hooves, and checked with Celestia. When Discord ruled over Equestria, the first time, he disrupted the flow of history in such a way that any actions made before his rule should have a mitigated effect. As long as we don't effect any really important people, or mess with anything during or after his rule, we should be fine."

"Well, if you say so. I'm going to grab something to read while you talk to ancient farmers about crop rotations or something."

As quickly as he could on his short stubby legs, Spike ran to his room and grabbed a book about the new strategy game he was going to play. He had enjoyed the first one and the company had just come out with the second. By the time he got back to the ritual chamber, all of the devices and magical circle were complete. He stood next to Twilight and with a flash was gone.

A Random Part Equestria, Discordian Era, Year 🦌🐐🐉🐈🐎


With a flash, a unicorn and a dragon appeared in the middle of what could only be described as pure chaos. The trees were chirping, the sun was jumping, and the animals were swimming through the periwinkle plaid sky. The dragon promptly fell down as he had just run into the very cross unicorn.

"Spike! You just interrupted my spell! Now I need to recalibrate it to get us back home."

"Sorry Twilight, I was just distracted by my book. I just got into one of the scenarios that could be played and it is super interesting."

Suddenly, the aforementioned book was magickly grabbed from his scaly hand and floated in front of Twilight's face.

"You've never been this interested in a book unless it was a comic; let me see that." She started paging through page after page, a scowl slowly formed, then she turned back to look at the cover. "Spike, this book is rated for ponies over 18 and is filled with some of the most disgusting things I could imagine. You are not allowed to read this and I will be searching through your room."

With a flick, the book sailed through the air and into a bush.

"But Twilight, I am over 18! In fact, I'm only a little younger than you!"

Before he could say anything more, the duo flashed away again into the future. It was at this perfectly timed moment that another being, much more devilishly handsome, flashed in with a snap of his finger. He started sniffing the air, then he took off his nose and placed in on the ground.

"Ok nose, be a good boy and find out what those pesky time travelers left for Discord."

With a yip, the nose was off. I went up trees, down holes, in the grass, until it got to a particular bush and started barking. Discord gave the nose a good patting before placing it back on his face. He then picked through the bush until he found a particular book. Conjuring up his reading glasses, he licked his claws and started reading. The more he read, the wider his smile got until it was larger than his face.

"Amazing, truly the work of a genius! The blood, the gore, the convoluted mechanics, incest, executions, assassinations, and all the random events. It was as if some being outside of normally perceived reality decided to write a convoluted plot to get this book to me." Discord thought about that for about one second. "It was probably just random chance. Now how am I going to implement these ideas for my entertainment? Too bad I didn't get Conquest and Kings I with this, it might have helped with working out how to use the sequel."

Arcane College of Gryphus, Golden Era of Gryphus, Year ????


In a long unused room of the Arcane College stood a machine with a very specific function. It had been designed in a collaboration between Merlin and Archimedes, used runes learned from the Crystal Heart and Yaks, rare magical materials from all around the world were incorporated into it, and took a third of the yearly budget. It had been thought to be a waste, but today it would prove that it could do what it was designed for; It would capture a time traveler.

With a trademark flash, two time travelers appeared within a shining blue bubble suspended between several metal and crystal spikes. The two occupants groaned from the aches they felt from being forced out of the time stream. Spike was the first to get up as his draconic blood gave him a bit more resistance than his purple companion.

"Twilight, I think you did something wrong. It doesn't look like we are in the right ritual room and there are banners with griffon heads hung up everywhere."

"One moment Spike. I'm trying not to throw-up right now."

At that moment, a crystal pony in a janitors uniform walked in with a mop in her mouth. When she saw the mysterious individuals, she immediately dropped her mop, turned around, and yelled down the hallway.

"Someone get Merlin! His machine caught someone! And get the member of the Black Guard that is staying here just in case!" She spared only a single glance at the glowing bubble before leaving and closing the door behind her.

Spike turned to Twilight. "You know we could have asked Discord about the history before him instead of getting into another mess."

Twilight gave a long groan. "It would have been more trouble than actual time travel."
People talked about Twilight somehow meeting Garrick or Konrad through some botched attempt to learn about the past. I simply cut out the middle man and had her travel to them. She should have learned from Starlight Glimmer, but I guess sometimes you need to learn a lesson twice.

I also believe that we as a player base would be paranoid enough to craft a device to stop time travelers from messing with the timeline or paradoxing us out of existence. It could happen at any time!
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Time Travel. The cause of, and answer to, the biggest disasters in fiction. +10 to a roll.

Pittauro said:
...hey @Questor, any chance for a "check the dragons' curse and see if there's any hope of doing something about it? Like, maybe Orichalcum can weaken it, for example, allowing them to wake up (but also suppressing their powers, for example).
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That may become an action in the aftermath of Gwyndlyn's visit to Neighpon.

Ancient One said:
Since we're heading to industrial revolution will there be options to reduce environmental impact? I feel like Garrick would take that kind of thing into consideration.
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At present the amount of industrialization your people are experiencing is still rather contained and small scale, and pollution has yet to become a major concern. That said, environmental issues may become an object of concern at some point in the future, and how you deal with them (if at all) will be an object of debate.
 
Omakes on my "list to be done when I feel like it":

The first step in the process of the College of Magic gaining its own dungeon in the basement or on the grounds. Because children with magic. (Inspired by it being done in Sword Without a Hilt)
The "Canon Twilight visits the Empire" idea someone floated a while back, with her asking after the OTL leadership of the era in order to have a casual conversation over tea/lunch
Finally going back and doing the Total War: Disharmony entry for the Zebras.
 
PyrrosWarrior said:
We've been told multiple times in-story and by Questor that the heavenly dragons are their own thing, and we know of multiple heavenly dragons. Koryu is just the only one that isn't cursed to be asleep 99% of the time.
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I do wonder what research and learning actions they are doing to try and break that curse. I assume that they are doing something.
 
You make it sound like things will calm down.

That's generally not how it works, especially once you cast a big enough net, and we're looking to map the planet here.
 
The Void King said:
Dose anybody else believe once things calm down and the last Big bad in this era is taken care of we will get a time skip?
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Not really, I more expect things to become more economically focused instead military focused once the last great evil falls. Maybe a war or two as well with other nations that can't compete with our economy or what a piece of the pie we have for themselves.
 
Well I guess we will guide all Golden-feathers that come after Garrick

Or maybe we guide most of them and then guide one prince on how to Rebel against he tyrant of a Father
 
x0Nothing0x said:
Not really, I more expect things to become more economically focused instead military focused once the last great evil falls. Maybe a war or two as well with other nations that can't compete with our economy or what a piece of the pie we have for themselves.
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Some of the less economically competitive countries might instead try something along the lines of the hermit state route and attempt to filter outside influence in an effort to maintain control over their populations and at least a semblance of independence.
"Dear citizens as you know, the only things out there are demon ridden realms of evil and open water, but we need not fear for our brave diplomancers armed with holy text stand ready to confront them away from our shores and convin cough I mean force them to trad cough transmute our goods and materials into yet better materials with which we may build our infrastructure and defenses.
Unfortunately though despite this the demons grow ever stronger and will inevitably try using any form of lie or force to take our land despite the brave efforts of our diplomancers and so it is our duty to constantly prepare in order to insure our survival and ability to resist all their tricks and temptations!
We shall mine and farm more of what we can so that we need not ever be desperate enough to give their temptations power and shall be less tempted when our diplomancers confront them!
We shall continue to strengthen the fortifications of our borders!
We shall push back the very sea if need be so that we have resources with which to keep up the good fight and prosper in spite of the limitations we have had inflicted upon us!
We shall be ready and we shall insure that their attempts to subjugate us are never worthwhile!"

Of course this kind of desperate ideology is likely to spark a war for different reasons down the road and cause more damage in the process.
This kind of issue is sadly almost inevitable when not every nation-state can grow at it's own pace.
We will probably sooner or later see a government convincing it's citizens the outside world is evil while a small group in the know works to modernize their country, bring in new raw resources and knowledge while pretending to be the original source in some capacity, and keep knowledge of importable luxuries non-existent among the populous using terms such as "curse", "temptation", and "deception".
 
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Prof.MoreRight said:
Some of the less economically competitive countries might instead try something along the lines of the hermit state route and attempt to filter outside influence in an effort to maintain control over their populations and at least a semblance of independence.
"Dear citizens as you know, the only things out there are demon ridden realms of evil and open water, but we need not fear for our brave diplomancers armed with holy text stand ready to confront them away from our shores and convin cough I mean force them to trad cough transmute our goods and materials into yet better materials with which we may build our infrastructure and defenses.
Unfortunately though despite this the demons grow ever stronger and will inevitably try using any form of lie or force to take our land despite the brave efforts of our diplomancers and so it is our duty to constantly prepare in order to insure our survival and ability to resist all their tricks and temptations!
We shall mine and farm more of what we can so that we need not ever be desperate enough to give their temptations power and shall be less tempted when our diplomancers confront them!
We shall continue to strengthen the fortifications of our borders!
We shall push back the very sea if need be so that we have resources with which to keep up the good fight and prosper in spite of the limitations we have had inflicted upon us!
We shall be ready and we shall insure that their attempts to subjugate us are never worthwhile!"

Of course this kind of desperate ideology is likely to spark a war for different reasons down the road and cause more damage in the process.
This kind of issue is sadly almost inevitable when not every nation-state can grow at it's own pace.
We will probably sooner or later see a government convincing it's citizens the outside world is evil while a small group in the know works to modernize their country, bring in new raw resources and knowledge while pretending to be the original source in some capacity, and keep knowledge of importable luxuries non-existent among the populous using terms such as "curse", "temptation", and "deception".
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So the changlings
 
@x0Nothing0x Now that you mention it, yes like the changelings.
I doubt they are the only example of this we will find.

@Questor Are we going to in the future have the option to codify procedures for how our diplomats meet and interact with different types of governments such as the general category I have described?
For instance prewritten frameworks for trade agreements that are palatable to nation-states with different types of socio-economic systems while still being useful for our purposes.
I imagine that such preplanning for different scenarios would be rather useful.
 
also speaking of the changelings, I have to wonder what will happen to our troll hunters now? I mean they were quite common in the heartland before we purged it of beast so then they all moved to Canterbury since they had a monster problem that rivaled or might have been even worse then our own. Also did a great job at give griffons positive opinions with the common folk over there as well. But now that the changelings are taking a page out of our book and purging their lands I have to wonder where they'll go next or if they'll fade away like the cowboy did. And speaking of cowboy I wonder if troll hunters will become the Empire's cowboy. As in how America has cowboys, Japan has the samurai, so I wonder if the troll hunters will become romanticized in the same way for the empire?
 
MrRobot said:
Or North korea... We know how it ends.
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technically speaking it hasn't quite "ended" yet. Maybe one day China will finally drop them and they'll finally implode...

Prof.MoreRight said:
@Questor Are we going to in the future have the option to codify procedures for how our diplomats meet and interact with different types of governments such as the general category I have described?
For instance prewritten frameworks for trade agreements that are palatable to nation-states with different types of socio-economic systems while still being useful for our purposes.
I imagine that such preplanning for different scenarios would be rather useful.
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I don't think it's worth it. Probably better to deal with them on a case-by-case basis, we likely wouldn't be able to prepare for every possibility anyway.

Questor said:
That may become an action in the aftermath of Gwyndlyn's visit to Neighpon.
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Good to know. Who knows, between the Crystal Heart, Orichalcum, the magical knowledge and traditions of many different kingdoms and, if we're lucky, the elements of harmony, there might actually be a chance to do something about it.

Hopefully the dragons are actually nice and grateful.


Ancient One said:
Since we're heading to industrial revolution will there be options to reduce environmental impact? I feel like Garrick would take that kind of thing into consideration.
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Questor said:
At present the amount of industrialization your people are experiencing is still rather contained and small scale, and pollution has yet to become a major concern. That said, environmental issues may become an object of concern at some point in the future, and how you deal with them (if at all) will be an object of debate.
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worries about environmental impact at this stage are really premature. We don't have THAT much industry, and we're likely to be informed once it starts to become a problem.

Also, as a reminder, Gryphons are actually of the "dominate nature" philosophy. They'd only care about the negative impact on themselves, but not, say, about making manticores extinct.

Mh... one of the worst problems from an environmental point of view (other than the smog), is that recycling complex objects it's often difficult /expensive, as it's not easy to separate all the various materials... but maybe we can come up with some kind of "separating" rune? Something that would deconstruct an object in piles of its different basic elements? That would be invaluable, especially once we start to produce even more complex objects, like batteries.
 
Pittauro said:
Mh... one of the worst problems from an environmental point of view (other than the smog), is that recycling complex objects it's often difficult /expensive, as it's not easy to separate all the various materials... but maybe we can come up with some kind of "separating" rune? Something that would deconstruct an object in piles of its different basic elements? That would be invaluable, especially once we start to produce even more complex objects, like batteries.
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Well the expensive part of the equation can be solved by having recycling centers be run by the government. The government doesn't need to worry as much about the profitability, and the benefits to society are significant enough to make it worth it. Freeing land from being a dumbing ground, maintaining natural beauty, preventing environmental health problems, and stopping overall resource waste are all good benefits.

For the difficulty issue, maybe a sorting rune would work. For a machine that only contains solid, non-toxic materials, breaking it into smaller parts and having it sorted would work. Magnets are already used to sort out ferromagnetic materials in real life. Organic materials can be turned into compost, ceramics can be turned into aggregate, and glass goes through color sorting. Batteries and some other items can have their own recycling bin and system. Most of this will probably not be an issue for some time though.
 
Pittauro said:
Mh... one of the worst problems from an environmental point of view (other than the smog), is that recycling complex objects it's often difficult /expensive, as it's not easy to separate all the various materials... but maybe we can come up with some kind of "separating" rune? Something that would deconstruct an object in piles of its different basic elements? That would be invaluable, especially once we start to produce even more complex objects, like batteries.
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Lurking_Badger said:
Well the expensive part of the equation can be solved by having recycling centers be run by the government. The government doesn't need to worry as much about the profitability, and the benefits to society are significant enough to make it worth it. Freeing land from being a dumbing ground, maintaining natural beauty, preventing environmental health problems, and stopping overall resource waste are all good benefits.

For the difficulty issue, maybe a sorting rune would work. For a machine that only contains solid, non-toxic materials, breaking it into smaller parts and having it sorted would work. Magnets are already used to sort out ferromagnetic materials in real life. Organic materials can be turned into compost, ceramics can be turned into aggregate, and glass goes through color sorting. Batteries and some other items can have their own recycling bin and system. Most of this will probably not be an issue for some time though.
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Also note that we don't have plastics yet. Metal is actually very recyclable because mining it is difficult and energy-intensive, as it needs to be smelted to get rid of the oxygen and other contaminants. From what I've heard, recycling metal is actually cheaper than mining it, since it's already smelted and just needs to be melted down again and shaped into whatever you want to use it for.

Plastics on the other hand, are much cheaper to make new than to recycle. 1 and 2 type plastics are apparently recyclable, but all the other types just go straight from the recycling center to the land fill. It's apparently just too energy-intensive to make recycling plastics economically feasible.

BUT! We don't have plastics yet. So if we start recycling right now, we can use businesses and stuff since they'll actually make a profit off of it. Once plastics come along, I suggest we focus more on finding a recyclable/biodegradable alternative, so that we can just eliminate all use of plastics entirely.

Reduce, reuse, and only recycle if you can't do one of the first two. Recycling has just been pushed so hard because it puts the responsibility on the consumer instead of the businesses actually doing most of the polluting.

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Maybe we can use glyphs to make forcefields that do the same thing as plastics? The glyphs would probably be able to degrade once we finish using them.
 
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Lurking_Badger said:
Well the expensive part of the equation can be solved by having recycling centers be run by the government. The government doesn't need to worry as much about the profitability, and the benefits to society are significant enough to make it worth it. Freeing land from being a dumbing ground, maintaining natural beauty, preventing environmental health problems, and stopping overall resource waste are all good benefits.

For the difficulty issue, maybe a sorting rune would work. For a machine that only contains solid, non-toxic materials, breaking it into smaller parts and having it sorted would work. Magnets are already used to sort out ferromagnetic materials in real life. Organic materials can be turned into compost, ceramics can be turned into aggregate, and glass goes through color sorting. Batteries and some other items can have their own recycling bin and system. Most of this will probably not be an issue for some time though.
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Eh, profitability is STILL a problem for the government, it's just that it can take the bigger picture into consideration, and NOT ignore the negative externalities (like, say, the smog or the effects of inappropriate handling of dangerous toxic wastes).

Like, for an example from the real world: China recently stopped importing many kinds of plastic trash from the world because NOT ONLY is its recycling barely profitable, but also because it's actually creating pollution. Turns out that recycling plastic is actually mostly not worth it, at least with current technologies. You pay more for a worse product AND end up creating pollution anyway.

Also, going back to "government doesn't have to worry about profitability"... it does, but simply in a different way. If you're spending billions on anti-economic recycling, you're not spending it on research, on education, on infrastructure, on healthcare and welfare, and so on.

...basically, "let the government do it" is not ALWAYS a good solution.

Of course, getting away from real life problems, here we have magics and a simplified approach to the problem. We probably just need to invest more in research, both magical and technological, and try to come up with either new approaches or temporary solutions while we wait for other approaches to be made known to us.
Sentient Tree said:
Also note that we don't have plastics yet. Metal is actually very recyclable because mining it is difficult and energy-intensive, as it needs to be smelted to get rid of the oxygen and other contaminants. From what I've heard, recycling metal is actually cheaper than mining it, since it's already smelted and just needs to be melted down again and shaped into whatever you want to use it for.
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I think it depends on the metals. For more complex metal alloys or objects it might not be as easy/efficient to recycle, but for our common steel? oh, yeah, sure.

Probably glass too, and I think stone can be sometime recycled to make concrete too (don't quote me on this).

We're not quite at the point where we have complex, hard to recycle material, though we'll get there. Even there part of the problems can be solved by politics.

For example, plastics are wonderful... but you want to avoid one-use-and-then-throw-them-away plastics for most uses, and instead try to reuse them as much as possible.

so...well, no one-use plastic bags, but yes to reusable ones, for example. Rather than recycle, sometime it might just be better to... well, clean and reuse.

Sentient Tree said:
BUT! We don't have plastics yet. So if we start recycling right now, we can use businesses and stuff since they'll actually make a profit off of it. Once plastics come along, I suggest we focus more on finding a recyclable/biodegradable alternative, so that we can just eliminate all use of plastics entirely.
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and if they're just too convenient to use, we try to discourage needless waste, like all the plastic products you're only supposed to use once and then throw them away.

Sentient Tree said:
Reduce, reuse, and only recycle if you can't do one of the first two. Recycling has just been pushed so hard because it puts the responsibility on the consumer instead of the businesses actually doing most of the polluting.
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yeah, basically this.

Recycling is usually good. Reusing is better. Using less in the first place when possible is even better than that.
 
There is always the possibility that large scale plastic production may never happen because petroleum deposits don't exist. Rayon and other non-oil based plastic may still be made because wood and coal tar still exist. Don't know rubber-based plastic though. It might be funny if Discord permanently converted all petroleum deposits into ice-cream deposits.

There is also divergence in technological development. With magic in the mix, some things may not be a problem, so a solution is never invented. On the other side, some problems may be present that aren't in our world.

There are many possibilities in the future.
 
Sentient Tree said:
Reduce, reuse, and only recycle if you can't do one of the first two. Recycling has just been pushed so hard because it puts the responsibility on the consumer instead of the businesses actually doing most of the polluting.
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There is also the simple profits angle to look at.
Reduce? Less products get sold as there is a focus on getting more from less.
Reuse? less products get sold as people focus on getting more from the products they get.
Recycle? The only thing that may change is the materials used.
I think it is blatantly obvious which is better for profits here...
 
Themarineguy said:
There is also the simple profits angle to look at.
Reduce? Less products get sold as there is a focus on getting more from less.
Reuse? less products get sold as people focus on getting more from the products they get.
Recycle? The only thing that may change is the materials used.
I think it is blatantly obvious which is better for profits here...
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which is where the government, or in this case the emperor, has to stand up and lay the law, and stop the spread of misinformation.

There's nothing wrong in wanting to profit, but we're going to establish the legal framework in which that is done.
Manowl said:
Um guys is this conversation a bit too soon since Questor has said we are not that industrialized yet?
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eh, we'll get there, and it's not like we have much to talk about until we see the new turn options.
 
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