No wait, I am the one asking about us "getting Commodore-Perry´d" (a reference I wouldn´t be doing in RL, btw, because I got no idea who that was), after which I just disappear.
US Navy guy that pulled a massive case on gunboat diplomacy to make Japan "reconsider" their isolationism (except for one port with the Dutch) in the 19th century. They acceded and signed treaties shortly thereafter giving Britain, Russia, the US, and France trade access and advantages.

Also, you not knowing Commodore Perry is how you know it's a negaverse! After all, I don't know who Sauron is nor am I sure I would know offhandedly what the Crystal Heart is without it having been a major plotpoint here. Therefore, nega-me has different interests than this me :p
 
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Also, you not knowing Commodore Perry is how you know it's a negaverse! After all, I don't know who Sauron is nor am I sure I would know offhandedly what the Crystal Heart is without it having been a major plotpoint here. Therefore, nega-me has different interests and this me :p
It all makes sense now, that's why Nega-Me doesn't hate the Buffaloes!

Truly this is the darkest timeline
 
I'd like to see a diplomatic option to basically tell all our friendly nations about what happened to Discord and send ambassadors to Equestria as a group.
 
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Oooooh, first time I am featured in a nega-verse.

And of course nega-me is the one for weapons of mass destruction by using the Sun and other celestial bodies, while I, even though I don't comment too much on our Empire's military matters, am for far more practical options such as the expansion and upgrading of the military and would probably be far more concerned that something made our expedition not return. But he is still like me that he is more than willing to use realpolitik with any resulting consequences as a chance to reel in the nobility and unify the kingdom more.

Nega-me also seems to be more inward focused and for playing inter-realpolitik while I am more into outside threats and opportunities. Of course our Empire has less inward facing problems than Equestria so I guess than can be assigned to "What is our most immediate problem" kind of thinking.

I can only wonder how nega-me would react to sudden shift into global politics... probably would try to figure out a way to either use the shift to maybe somehow get power away from Equestria's nobility and how to get hands on outside resources/technology/trade to solve Equestria's other internal problems, while probably being concerned how Equestria's populace might react to the global scene. He would also probably be frustrated that certain technological progressions into industrialization might be harder with Equestria's political feudal system against any shifting of power away from them and their nature veneration culture will make the populace will form more luddite opposition to it.
 
I can only wonder how nega-me would react to sudden shift into global politics... probably would try to figure out a way to either use the shift to maybe somehow get power away from Equestria's nobility and how to get hands on outside resources/technology/trade to solve Equestria's other internal problems, while probably being concerned how Equestria's populace might react to the global scene. He would also probably be frustrated that certain technological progressions into industrialization might be harder with Equestria's political feudal system against any shifting of power away from them and their nature veneration culture will make the populace will form more luddite opposition to it.
The Nobility Still has enough power to Counter the Sisters considering it took Stoning Discord for said Nobility to Crown the sisters in the first place.
It'd Take something near that level of threat for the sisters to push for Strong Centralization of Power.
The nobles considering that levies were mentioned have their own Private armies which doesn't bode well for said centralization.
But considering in MLP Comic Canon the Changelings openly invaded Equestria seizing various City states held by said nobles Before Celestia went Nova and sealed them in a Volcano the Sisters may just get a threat on that level.
If the Yeti don't get their act together first and don't do it themselves.
 
Equestria Nega-verse 2
Equestria Nega-verse 2
AN: I decided after reading the authors negaverse to try and make one of my own. This is based off the informational post on Griffon Cultural differences and some part are just slightly edited. I hope you all enjoy.
Notes on The Winter War and Equestrian/Griffon Differences

I've seen some discussion about The Griffon's Capabilities and Culture recently in the thread. Most notably a lot of arguments about if they should be at the stage of development and why or why not they might have reached it. As such I have decided to provide so more information on why the Gryphus Empire is the way it is. The most important thing to talk about it the war with Sombra or "The Winter War" given it has perhaps the biggest impact of any event so far in the world.

The Winter war began shortly after the Empire was reunified, Garrick defeated his main rival Brochard in battle, who was killed by Grandmaster Konrad Hardbeak now Konrad "Kingslayer" and given that he squeezed his kingdom very hard in order to raise his army pretty much all his nobles were quick to proclaim their loyalty to the new soon to be Emperor Garrick giving him a lot of popularity with all levels of society at the start of his reign. He then managed to get the rest of the minor states to join diplomatically and began to explore beyond it its borders, the first expedition to the west found the Yak tribes... the second to the south found Sombra approaching with a brainwashed army of about 100,000 slave soldiers plus various dark magic horrors alongside an unnatural blizzard that wrecked the land.

The Griffons responded by not just gathering every troop they could but from mercenaries and knights to militia also putting into production as much of their more experimental weapon concept as possible, things like gunpowder, cannons, stationary flamethrowers and eventually a newfound rare anti-magic ore called Orichalcum. The Yaks responded by send every fighting age Yak of every clan to the battle under portents of certain doom from all their shamans. Even then they were outnumber badly.

As such the strategy chosen was to fortify the pass through the Peregrine mountains on their southern border, Redstone Pass and meet Sombra there. A chokepoint like this made the makeshift mines, cannons and flamethrowers very effective in these battles... even though the first was cleared by Sombra sending waves of starving disposable slaves. To summarize the battle the Allied forces held the pass against successively harsher waves with causalities mounting. Sombra eventually had enough and choose to go all in with himself as he lead his elite guard and horrors. Despite serious causalities instead of blowing the pass with explosive to trigger an avalanche and retreating they instead choose to gamble on collapsing on him in hopes of winning it all. It was effective at damaging his forces but Sombra nearly broke the lines anyway with his magic until the Empress Gabriella rallied them and the Triumvirate of Griffon Unification; Empress, Emperor and Grandmaster charged Sombra. The first two worked together to distract him until Konrad can cut Sombra's horn off destroying his army but having to watch his shadows spirit flee south once more. The Imperial war memorial mentioned by Snowdrop was built to commemorate this battle but with the knowledge they would be fighting a war with more sacrifice on the ay in mind.

This lead to a second longer stage of the war as the heavy losses from the battle mean they can't pursue immediately. Scouting then also results in the Griffons finding out that Sombra's blizzards make an invasion practically impossible and the full horror of Sombra fully mind-controlling his entire population with the first Crystal ponies being rescued by horrified Griffons. The war turns into a several years long stalemate where the Griffons rebuilt and upgraded their army, built up their war machine, built fortifications on the border, committed what sabotage they could to Sombra's war effort and saved what Crystal Ponies they could. Sombra responded by sending winter storms to sabotage their agriculture and making this a fight on literally every level of society to the very bottom rung.

The Griffon found a huge break when they made contact with Neighpon and found new allies quick to support them fully against the Shadow King. Ones with a smaller army but with plenty of magic including Qilin Pyromancy which meant they could now actually send an army to attack the Crystal Empire. Instead of immediately attacking however the Griffons choose to meet Sombra's army on their fortifications, he even brings a full grown dragon corrupted by dark magic... Konrad kills it. Then he lights his sword on fire and kills Sombra a second time in his shadow form. This let's them finally attack the Crystal city and after diving into Sombra's dungeon to find the Crystal heart awaken it from a mix of the love from the imperial couple, collective love of the army for their comrades and patriotism of all involved defeated Sombra while also freeing his slaves. Konrad doesn't technically kill Sombra the final time himself but a lot of stories credit him with it anyway.

It did not however revitalize the land that was devastated or heal the trauma from his rule. As a result in order to not starve to death most Crystal Ponies end up in the Empire which implements an "Adopt a Pony Program" to help house them. With the Emperor leading the way by adopting a new daughter and the population have spent years hearing about just how bad Sombra was most see it as a patriotic duty so they are integrated fairly easily. The Crystal Empire itself annexed as the Crystal protectorate with the option to join or leave down the line save a naval base leased to the Neighponese as the Empire begins the process of rebuilding.

There is no question that the Winter War had a great impact upon its participants. Every race, every nation and clan and class was affected by the conflict. The Yaks learned the horrors of true war, and became aware that the world beyond their homeland was both very big and very dangerous. The varied races of Neighpon were forced to reevaluate their differences and rivalries in the face of a mutual threat to their freedom and existence. And Gryphus? The nation that fought and bled and suffered the most at the dark hoof of Sombra, the nation that served as a bulwark against his cruel ambitions?

The Empire of Gryphus went from a collection of fiefdoms loosely affiliated by virtue of a shared history to a unified nation under a centralized authority. It's people, once divided along cultural, economic or racial lines, were united in the face of a dangerous outside world. The demand for material to fuel the Imperial War Machine led to a massive increase in agricultural and industrial output and the creation and spread of numerous revolutionary innovations. Though countless lives were lost, the Empire has emerged from the war stronger than it was before.

As a result of the Winter War while neither Griffons nor Equestrians see war as something to be glorified or celebrated, with many Ponies seeing it as a last resort that should only be considered once all other options have been exhausted, only the Griffons see armed conflict as both inevitable and ultimately unavoidable. And despite, or perhaps because of so many Imperial families having lost loved ones to the fires of war, there does exist a certain romanticization of war and combat in Imperial Culture. Those who serve, be they knights, sailors or common soldiers, are adored and seen as heroes by the civilian population, and even the idea of dying in battle is looked upon with a certain degree of fondness. If the best way to die is of old age surrounded by loved ones, then the second best way is on the field of battle surrounded by your brothers and sisters in arms, giving your life for the nation and those you fight to protect, be they your family, your comrades or the Emperor.

While this is also true to a lesser extent in Equestria, you have not yet had this belief challenged by a massive, nation-spanning conflict like the Winter War. Any armed clashes you have witnessed were between individual Counts, Dukes and Barons in the days before the Alicorn Sisters unified the nation, with skirmishes smaller in scale and scope than the Battle of Wingbardy, codes of conduct between the warring factions, and casualty counts that never exceeded the low hundreds. Your understanding of war is thus quite limited.
The Griffon view of nobility, like so many other things, was irrevocably changed by the Winter War. At the Battle of Redstone, and the Peregrines, and the Storming of the Crystal City, nobles and commoners fought and bled side by side on the front lines. When the battles ended and the dead were accounted for, many nobles, officers and knights alike, were among them. They were cremated upon the same pyres as the lowest enlisted soldier or militiagryph, and when it came time to promote surviving non-commissioned officers to replace them, many commoners, battle hardened veterans, suddenly found themselves possessing equal or greater ranks in the military than members of the nobility. At first, this chafed at their sense of superiority...but as the war dragged on, and the promoted commoners proved themselves equal in skill and bravery time and again, in some cases saving the lives of their noble counterparts, the commoners earned their respect and admiration, if grudgingly.

This, combined with the settlement and establishment of the new province of Kestrella necessitating the elevation of numerous commoners to the ranks of the nobility to administer it (more than one of which was a Diamond Dog), the Post-Discordian economic boom leading to many merchants and bankers building up levels of wealth previously only held by Nobles, and rapid industrialization producing a burgeoning middle class of city-dwelling burghers, resulted in many of the social barriers between the Nobility and the common people being greatly weakened. There still exists a social divide, but it is much less than it was a few decades ago.

By contrast, the Equestrians, who have not experienced an equivalent war, sudden economic boom or rapid industrialization since the end of the Discordian Era, are still very much an agrarian, feudal society divided along class lines, with fewer opportunities for social mobility.

Current events are also very much affected by the Winter war. The Winter war made the culture of Gryphus very anti-slavery so when relations with Maretonia began with several of their citizens sold into slavery that they refused to even admit they had until the Griffon read out a list of their owners things were deeply hostile from the start. It also made the Griffon's warry of starting a new war so soon after the old one and the Maretonians unwilling to attack since it would bring in Neighpon at minimum since they signed a defensive treaty with the option of more joining in due to positive relations. Instead their was several years of stand off were the Griffons refused to offer any compensation to slaveowner for the return of their citizen till they could have their spies rescue them and high tensions between both until the Queen died starting the Civil war.

These are just some of the differences between the Empire and Equestria that are likely to result in confusion and culture clash at some point in the future. Hopefully this help give a better understanding of why the Gryphus empire is the way it is however.

When I called Sombra Unicorn Sauron I was joking! I didn't think their was an actual Lord of the Rings fight going on offscreen!
So does anyone want to continue to argue that the Griffon's militarism is unrealistic?
No in fact I think I might be coming around to doing some of our own now. Though it is going to be a lot harder for us to pull off because of our stupid nobles! Some people get all the luck of having a convenient Dark Lord to help them centralize power.
I cannot believe that you were holding out on all of this for so long. How smug were you when the Griffons finally made first contact?
It was a very happy moment for me.
Wow! Yaks are awesome! An entire nomadic people and their culture going into a battle bloody beyond what they could ever comprehend in their experience? We need to ally with them too!
Ok great but do the Griffon have Pickelhaube or not? Answer the real question please!
First, it is confirmed the Griffons have cannons now just like I said before and we are absolutely buying some. It is number two on the list behind Railroads which I will just as confidently say they definitely have. If we want to unify the nation nothing will do it like good infrastructure.

Second, this whole post has made me concerned about our long term technological development. If there is one lesson from this it is that Necessity is the Mother of Invention, the Griffons had to adapt or end up Sombra's slave so did and did it well. Now they have a centralized government, gunpowder, a standing army, early industrial technology and far more unified national society. But if we had encounter Sombra would we do the same? A theoretical fight with Sombra would have probably been a mage duel with the Sister resolving things. While that would have saved a lot more lives it also means no long term existential pressure at all levels of society like the Griffons had and as such no great unified populace or government centralization to handle the crisis or large army to defeat his. We can import the machine which will go along way to making similar unification but we are missing some of the things that makes them able to produce it. Do we even have a similar proto-middle class to sustain an industrial economy yet? This is going to change a lot of my plans...
Guys I think Konrad might be the most badass thing in this quest so far. Killing a Dragon and two separate kings the most dangerous of them twice! Please tell me the "Kingslayer" is still around so we can meet him.
Konrad is getting on in years now but he is still alive and both still the Grandmaster of the Knights Lion and the Blackwatch which you saw escorting the Crown Prince. He also received the first Imperial medal of honor and an Orichalcum katana made by Neighponese swordsmiths.
Yes! We need to go to the Empire and meet him at some point.
You know with this in mind it suddenly make a lot of sense why they pulled out all the stops with the first contact for us now, they have learned the importance of first impressions. Their positive early experiences with the Yaks and Neighpon fighting Sombra resulted in strong long terms allies on both of their borders. With a negative first impression with Maretonia lead to years of conflict they are having to launch an invasion to deal with the fallout of even now.

It also explains why their expedition was so well armed and prepared, if one of my exploration efforts ran into Sombra I would be ready for battle for the next one too.
That reminds me @Questor what are the Griffon's relations with Canterbury like? They are our current buffer between the two and they weren't mentioned fighting in the war with Sombra.
Canterbury made contact with the Gryphus Empire the turn after their contact with Maretonia. They already had preexisting tension with Maretonia of their own so ended up allies of convenience from the start. Currently relations are only a half point above your's now, they are friendly and allies but not trusted allies to the same degree as the Yaks or Neighpon is. The reasons why, whatever they are remain unknown to you.
 
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I think the negaverse post is a bit too enthusiastic. I mean, we didn't have this sort of reaction to any of the factions we have met in this quest.
 
no other faction is in the industrial revolution. like we had : feudal japan, Nomads, Evil tyrant emperor, Arthurian England except it's all controlled by the changeling illuminati, pirates, vikings, greece, rome and now feudal europe with 2 god princesses running it. like equestria is the most interesting of the bunch IMO but they can't offer us much couse they run on magic.
we are industrial revolution germany.
 
I think the negaverse post is a bit too enthusiastic. I mean, we didn't have this sort of reaction to any of the factions we have met in this quest.
Yeah, because none of them are as awesome as us
no other faction is in the industrial revolution. like we had : feudal japan, Nomads, Evil tyrant emperor, Arthurian England except it's all controlled by the changeling illuminati, pirates, vikings, greece, rome and now feudal europe with 2 god princesses running it. like equestria is the most interesting of the bunch IMO but they can't offer us much couse they run on magic.
we are industrial revolution germany.
That is a little exaggerated but that was my basic idea.

While in our quest most of our meetings didn't have any world changing events reveal, save Discord which we knew about OOC, this quest is having a major revelations of something that has totally reshaped the world. Not to mention Equstria quest has had no major wars meaning the fact their was a massive fantasy series level conflict going on in the background is shocking. The only comparable experience to ours is finding out about the changeling and we were paranoidly guessing that since turn 1. Seriously it isn't even an exaggeration we were literally speculating about changeling infiltrators since the first turn.

We have been luck enough that most of our major upset are thing we can guess with OOC knowledge but for Equestria quest we are a problem that doesn't cover because our disruption doesn't cling to canon in any way.
 
1. Seriously it isn't even an exaggeration we were literally speculating about changeling infiltrators since the first turn.
...Why do I see in the negaverse someone pulling the it's always alienschangelings, to explain the relations between Canterbury and the gryphons empire as a joke, subtly referencing warhammer. Only to find that is exactly why the two aren't that close!!!

"JUST HOW GOOD ARE THE GRYPHON EMPIRE SPIES!?!?!?!?" - negaquest player after the reveal of the changeling spy games between griffonia and the changeling puppet religion, with the latter being unaware of said contest for most of the start.
 
Hot take: while Griffonia has legitimate pros over Equestria, claiming it's totally superior to it is vastly reductionistsic.
 
I mean they do have two proto gods on their side with high morale and an effective diplomatic core (uniting the disparate tribes and kingdoms of pony's) and good army (for when their diplomacy isn't enough
 
Hot take: while Griffonia has legitimate pros over Equestria, claiming it's totally superior to it is vastly reductionistsic.
I mean they do have two proto gods on their side with high morale and an effective diplomatic core (uniting the disparate tribes and kingdoms of pony's) and good army (for when their diplomacy isn't enough
Oh yeah! I don't disagree in the slightest. We might be better then them in some ways but they absolutely outrank us in other and are not to be discounted. They are certainly the closest thing to if not a peer power we have so far and their is a reason I would much prefer to maintain peaceful relations then ever fight them. The only reason I can see to ever be hostile Equestria would be a Nightmare Moon or Daybreaker situation and I hope that never happens.
 
Hot take: while Griffonia has legitimate pros over Equestria, claiming it's totally superior to it is vastly reductionistsic.
While we definitely aren't objectively better I would very much argue that for the average citizen of the Empire is happier, or at least has more opportunities, than the average citizen of Equestria

Most of the advantages Equestria has are innate ones from their race or the Princesses rather than a result of their government
 
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