[x] Aid
Who Needs Harmony?: An MLP Empire Quest
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[] aid only.
sound like an easy diplomatic win and also get the foot in the door
sound like an easy diplomatic win and also get the foot in the door
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Finally after the long wait it has finally return I just want to say and I quote "What took you long enough".
moratorium, guys.
i do agree with just aid right now, can still have them get more later on.
I'm unsure which of the two I think we should pick...
Just aid it will make them trust us slowly
Also it wont make them mad at us for interfering in the civil war if we invade to restore order
- Location
- Canada
After some thought on the nature of runes, they look awesome! Since they look good, and with the fact that its a language that can be like a program, then would something like civilians adopting rune style into cups, pottery, wood carvings or decorations have some kind of effect?
While the Griffons may not be capable of magic, would ambient magic providing some power into these runes?
While the Griffons may not be capable of magic, would ambient magic providing some power into these runes?
Maybe we could swing Limited Assistance if we bring Marecinas in on our investigation of Canterbury. Privately inform her of our discovery regarding their ruler's assassination, as well as the knowledge that whoever killed her likely instigated the civil war back in Gryphus. We share a mutual enemy, and invite her to send a trusted subordinate as an ambassador/contact going forward. We've already agreed to avoid annexation with the College, so let her know that too.
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- alphen aan den rijn
with aid the ball is in there own court how much military aid we give.
mean while it means that we can build up slower.
mean while it means that we can build up slower.
huh.. Might I suggest a Write in option?
this will need to be cleaned up and better worded before its actually used.
[] Logistical support: While We(griffons) will not move personal across the borders, We will instead provide logistical support to the guard and abolitionist. Modern steel weapons and armor, built to their specifications. Cannons, and possibly a few advisors on how to use them, along with shipping gunpowder for their use. A surplus of food, beyond the aid need for the refuges. and anything else they reasonably need to remained supplied enough to fight their war. Possibly, even Extend the rail line in the crystal empire down to the border, and into maretonia.
Basicly, while we won't fight, we put our industrial base at their disposal. which is not an small thing. especially if we don't have to keep it covert anymore.
this will need to be cleaned up and better worded before its actually used.
[] Logistical support: While We(griffons) will not move personal across the borders, We will instead provide logistical support to the guard and abolitionist. Modern steel weapons and armor, built to their specifications. Cannons, and possibly a few advisors on how to use them, along with shipping gunpowder for their use. A surplus of food, beyond the aid need for the refuges. and anything else they reasonably need to remained supplied enough to fight their war. Possibly, even Extend the rail line in the crystal empire down to the border, and into maretonia.
Basicly, while we won't fight, we put our industrial base at their disposal. which is not an small thing. especially if we don't have to keep it covert anymore.
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- The state of Paranoia
I'm leaning towards just aid. We want to get our foot in the door, then we can increase our support if needed.
Also, if we do send soldiers I want them to be under our command. There's no point in sending our own troops if we can't use the opportunity to test out maneuver warfare tactics.
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Also, if we do send soldiers I want them to be under our command. There's no point in sending our own troops if we can't use the opportunity to test out maneuver warfare tactics.
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This sounds a lot like the Aid Only option. I think that also has us offer logistical support, right? Is the goal of your write in to offer more logistical support than the Aid Only option?
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What if the spymaster actually just stabbed the employer in the back making it easier for us after he started making enemies with everyone in his kingdom? Don't forget there is a possibility said spy might be working with her.
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- Germany
[ ] Aid Only
The Captain clearly doesn´t like us interfering anymore than absolutely necessary and she did raise a good point about us supplying the Abolitionists already. Let´s play fair and only aid them at first. If the war against Prickicles goes poorly, we can still re-negotiate again via trusted magicians and liasions.
Sorry, but that´s a bad idea. In that canon omake the Guard has already been shown to be very high-strung about the whole assassination bit and us even so much as *hinting* that we fiddled with Mareias remains without the Captains input will blow up in our face, to say nothing of the heavy implications that Maretonias old enemies to the west had something to do with it. As I stated already, the particulars about Mareias assassination needs to be kept under wrap until we know more about Canterbury or else the situation will degrade even more.
The Captain clearly doesn´t like us interfering anymore than absolutely necessary and she did raise a good point about us supplying the Abolitionists already. Let´s play fair and only aid them at first. If the war against Prickicles goes poorly, we can still re-negotiate again via trusted magicians and liasions.
Sorry, but that´s a bad idea. In that canon omake the Guard has already been shown to be very high-strung about the whole assassination bit and us even so much as *hinting* that we fiddled with Mareias remains without the Captains input will blow up in our face, to say nothing of the heavy implications that Maretonias old enemies to the west had something to do with it. As I stated already, the particulars about Mareias assassination needs to be kept under wrap until we know more about Canterbury or else the situation will degrade even more.
If the omake and this latest chapter are any indication, Marecinas is too honorable and direct to do anything like this.
You have a point, but Maretonia and the Royal Guard are in no position to do anything rash. That's why only Marecinas would be informed of our findings, as she wants to find the murderer responsible. Sending us a trusted subordinate will also allow her to verify our findings going forward, eliminating if not reducing the possibility of falsified information being fed to her.
It would be a quite a bit less covert, and more imidiate. we start sending them military aid now, instead of waiting for house strom to move on them. Also the Rail line being built into Maretonia would be huge, greatly incressing the amount of aid we could ship them.
Instead of dropping some supplies off a truck in front of their house, we park the truck and have two big burly dudes carry everything in the truck into their house.
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- The state of Paranoia
She won't do anything rash like attack us, but she could certainly turn down any offer of aid from us.
Sounds like it might be worth offering. It would also help to have a rail line for after the war is over, to facilitate trade with Maretonia.
The downside is that building a railroad would be a pretty juicy target for the nobles.
On a more meta level, we don't need the royal guard to ally with us at all. In fact our diplomatic efforts shouldn't be towards them liking us, instead we need them to like the abolitionists.
At this point the Abolitionists are the only group representing the citizenry of the Maretonia in any meaningful way. They are also essentially ours at this point, having received a lot of support with basically no ask in return.
Thus we angle this situation for the Guard to side with the Abolitionists, we essentially get them onside with us by default and thus gain a lot of advantage in our on going shadow war with the Slaver aspects of this country.
At this point the Abolitionists are the only group representing the citizenry of the Maretonia in any meaningful way. They are also essentially ours at this point, having received a lot of support with basically no ask in return.
Thus we angle this situation for the Guard to side with the Abolitionists, we essentially get them onside with us by default and thus gain a lot of advantage in our on going shadow war with the Slaver aspects of this country.
- Location
- Germany
You do have a point, but I am still a bit wary of telling even her only, to say nothing of any "trusted" subordinate...remember that the poison most likely was administered over Mareais personal wine goblet, which only a select few are "trusted" enough to handle and she still got killed all the same. Besides, that rumored Changeling conspiracy might have infiltrated the Guard as well, so if we tell the Captain, then we tell *only her*.
The only problem is we have absolutely no idea about the spymaster besides that the individual used to work for Brochard as a spymaster and ran off with his money. We have no idea about his/her goals, what said person done, or even who the person was. The only reason we were able to narrow down where the person might have went is finding some of Brochard's old currency! We know to little to assume that the person would not get along with the queen, or other important individuals.
- Location
- Hell, or at least the closest place to it
Well, this is an obvious choice. If Our non involvement is required for a deal, then so be it. Aid it is.
- Location
- Novi Sad
I personally think that Aid only is the best option,it doesn't give the impression that we plan to sink our talons into Maretonia and spares the lives of our soldiers,maybe add as a gesture of good faith the results of our own investigations and politely request the formal recognition of Abolitionists
Omake: Let's play Total War: Disharmony-The Griffonian campaign, Ep 2
AN: I co-opted the flags @Firebringer2077 made for the "in-game flag". I feel it fit for the "Golden-Feather Victorious" Griffonian path.
Non-canon Omake: Total War Disharmony - "Let's play Total War: Disharmony - The Griffonian campaign. Ep 2: EGG"
*A video. It's thumbnail depicts a giant egg rolling down a hill. Seagulls are chasing it, with speech-bubbles repeating the word "Mine!".
Among the seagulls, a pair of griffons with crowns on their heads are ripping apart bird after bird, both of them also repeating the mantra.*
The screen opens up to the camera hovering over the faction capital.
"Hello ladies and gents, It's ****** back here again to continue on our great quest to murderize all the people specializing in their own special fairy dust, with good old steel, gunpowder and our gigantic -"
*Click*
*CENSORED FOR THE YOUNGER AUDIENCE, STAND BY.*
*Click*
"In the last episode we just had our pet terminator decapitate our chief rival.
Interesting mechanic of this game: unlike good old' Total War Warhammer, most lords can die."
"The time in-game actually moves forward, people get older; basically you got to go all out Crusader Kings in this shebang and make certain you have a ready pool of assholes to sit on the throne.
Some factions have it easy, with complete control over who will replace the big boss, others can vote random people in so you can never lose all of your Lords as long as you have active general-class characters still under your banner."
"Note we actually have an heir of our own, I kinda skipped his birth since he's too young to show any stats."
"The thing is, Griffonians are one of the unlucky sods that can't do any of that. It's all hereditary - unless the next in line really breathes in the total failure, you can't even disinherit them by paying with stability or gold or by sacrificing some poisoned dagger artifacts.
And as it was, Brochard completely failed to get it on before his impromptu, very metal battlefield funeral."
"You remember when I talked about my spies rising unrest in Aquillea? Mechanically this is done by changing the allegiance scores in their lands. Coupled with the fact that with the death of the last Lord character a Griffon Faction destabilizes with different results depending on their status and -
Let me show ya:"
The camera quickly scrolls up until the camera is hovering all of Griffonia. Roughly two-thirds of the shown map is colored in Gryphus' colors
"Yeah. That kinda happened."
"With two thirds control over Griffonia, our Lord's diplo bonus and the excellent relations between us and the Wingbardians, it's time to have...
DE REFERENDUM!"
*Spooky music*
"We push this button here and call a general meeting between all the faction heads - which is just us, the super-turtle and some random city state merchants with lots of money, at this point - maybe haggle some details but honestly, we are unifying Griffonia so quickly and with most of the economy totally intact that I'l just use give minimal concessions. slihgly lessening my tax income but guaranteeing total integration and -"
On the map, territorial borders changed colors to a Golden hue with a red trim. All flags also changed, representing the new changes.
"Just like most things in this game, your nation can mold or shift itself depending on how you've played or what their in-game experiences have been."
The camera zoomed to the nearest flag.
"This is the flag that you most often get when playing as Golden-Feather and successfully uniting Griffonia with minimal needed bloodshed."
"If more games were developed with this much care, we would have more gamers.
Psst game developers: Hint hint nudge nudge,"
"So now we can start cracking into the global stage before others do and pool our resources together to set up a real economy. Let's hope everything goes well.
We also get a random event now them, randomly opening paths for our armies and navies to use to discover new lands to conquer... or well, ally I suppose."
"Do you guys think I should bother roleplaying as Golden-Feather and try keeping my conquest to acceptable targets only? This game is one of the few...
Actually, is it the only Total War game where you can win something else than a conquest victory during the normal campaign? There's the Vortex campaign in Warhammer, but any where the main, primary campaign offers a way to win that doesn't demand total map paint mastery?"
"Answer those questions down below, I wanna know."
*Timeskip of Awesome*
"So we have been going forward a tad and then... well, this happened."
*Event Screen Turn On.*
*"Abandoned dragon egg"*
"A dragon egg. I've never gotten this event before. Tons of possible events in this game, some of them very minor... but this one I think is a bigger one: you can see it with the way this event has that egg next to a fully animated fireplace thing going on."
"We can sell it as a curiosity... or we can hatch it, with still unknown effects, although it says that possibilities are effected by the skills and character traits of our lord and other characters used in this action."
"We aren't magical so we can't turn it into magic ingredients and we aren't short of hard cash, so I guess mystery box?
OK, we need to slot in a few people... OK, so we need our Lord, and two characters - the positive outcome needing one with good learning and the other being good at martial in case of bad rolls...
A fourth slot is left blank, the magic symbol telling us that we can't pick it because we have no mages under our employ as of now.
With an extra note that certain character traits can lead to new outcomes..."
"Our research adviser fits the first, our wife fits the second, plus the spousal bonus should make our lord's rolls even better. And what we get is..."
*Event Screen shift, sounds of dice rolling on a table while the results are calculated.*
*"Successful Hatching!"*
"So the egg hatches and we get multiple options - with some of them grey'd out. Let's look at those first:
We can't harvest the dragon for magical regents - dark, man.
Wow, a xenophobe option of just killing it for an XP - and Prestige boost? Damn, man.
We also can't 'tame the monster' to become our future attack dog."
"What the fuck, developers? You have issues, man.
Never stop making games!
This feeds the dark side of my heart!"
"Now to the options available for us:
We can place the dragon - her, to be precise, apparently only the 'good options' care of the gender of the thing - to the care of a minor noble house or some institution, the basic run-of-the-mill good options.
We can send it to a Knight Grandmaster to be taught the art of badassery or..."
'Available to traits Kind, Xenophile or Pragmatic
You adopt -'
*Scene-shift of Doom*
*Click. Click?*
"Would you like me to disable the safety protocols?"
*Click-click-click-click -*
*Scene-shift of Disharmony*
"So we have a dragon daughter now!"
Non-canon Omake: Total War Disharmony - "Let's play Total War: Disharmony - The Griffonian campaign. Ep 2: EGG"
*A video. It's thumbnail depicts a giant egg rolling down a hill. Seagulls are chasing it, with speech-bubbles repeating the word "Mine!".
Among the seagulls, a pair of griffons with crowns on their heads are ripping apart bird after bird, both of them also repeating the mantra.*
The screen opens up to the camera hovering over the faction capital.
"Hello ladies and gents, It's ****** back here again to continue on our great quest to murderize all the people specializing in their own special fairy dust, with good old steel, gunpowder and our gigantic -"
*Click*
*CENSORED FOR THE YOUNGER AUDIENCE, STAND BY.*
*Click*
"In the last episode we just had our pet terminator decapitate our chief rival.
Interesting mechanic of this game: unlike good old' Total War Warhammer, most lords can die."
"The time in-game actually moves forward, people get older; basically you got to go all out Crusader Kings in this shebang and make certain you have a ready pool of assholes to sit on the throne.
Some factions have it easy, with complete control over who will replace the big boss, others can vote random people in so you can never lose all of your Lords as long as you have active general-class characters still under your banner."
"Note we actually have an heir of our own, I kinda skipped his birth since he's too young to show any stats."
"The thing is, Griffonians are one of the unlucky sods that can't do any of that. It's all hereditary - unless the next in line really breathes in the total failure, you can't even disinherit them by paying with stability or gold or by sacrificing some poisoned dagger artifacts.
And as it was, Brochard completely failed to get it on before his impromptu, very metal battlefield funeral."
"You remember when I talked about my spies rising unrest in Aquillea? Mechanically this is done by changing the allegiance scores in their lands. Coupled with the fact that with the death of the last Lord character a Griffon Faction destabilizes with different results depending on their status and -
Let me show ya:"
The camera quickly scrolls up until the camera is hovering all of Griffonia. Roughly two-thirds of the shown map is colored in Gryphus' colors
"Yeah. That kinda happened."
"With two thirds control over Griffonia, our Lord's diplo bonus and the excellent relations between us and the Wingbardians, it's time to have...
DE REFERENDUM!"
*Spooky music*
"We push this button here and call a general meeting between all the faction heads - which is just us, the super-turtle and some random city state merchants with lots of money, at this point - maybe haggle some details but honestly, we are unifying Griffonia so quickly and with most of the economy totally intact that I'l just use give minimal concessions. slihgly lessening my tax income but guaranteeing total integration and -"
On the map, territorial borders changed colors to a Golden hue with a red trim. All flags also changed, representing the new changes.
"Just like most things in this game, your nation can mold or shift itself depending on how you've played or what their in-game experiences have been."
The camera zoomed to the nearest flag.
"This is the flag that you most often get when playing as Golden-Feather and successfully uniting Griffonia with minimal needed bloodshed."
"If more games were developed with this much care, we would have more gamers.
Psst game developers: Hint hint nudge nudge,"
"So now we can start cracking into the global stage before others do and pool our resources together to set up a real economy. Let's hope everything goes well.
We also get a random event now them, randomly opening paths for our armies and navies to use to discover new lands to conquer... or well, ally I suppose."
"Do you guys think I should bother roleplaying as Golden-Feather and try keeping my conquest to acceptable targets only? This game is one of the few...
Actually, is it the only Total War game where you can win something else than a conquest victory during the normal campaign? There's the Vortex campaign in Warhammer, but any where the main, primary campaign offers a way to win that doesn't demand total map paint mastery?"
"Answer those questions down below, I wanna know."
*Timeskip of Awesome*
"So we have been going forward a tad and then... well, this happened."
*Event Screen Turn On.*
*"Abandoned dragon egg"*
"A dragon egg. I've never gotten this event before. Tons of possible events in this game, some of them very minor... but this one I think is a bigger one: you can see it with the way this event has that egg next to a fully animated fireplace thing going on."
"We can sell it as a curiosity... or we can hatch it, with still unknown effects, although it says that possibilities are effected by the skills and character traits of our lord and other characters used in this action."
"We aren't magical so we can't turn it into magic ingredients and we aren't short of hard cash, so I guess mystery box?
OK, we need to slot in a few people... OK, so we need our Lord, and two characters - the positive outcome needing one with good learning and the other being good at martial in case of bad rolls...
A fourth slot is left blank, the magic symbol telling us that we can't pick it because we have no mages under our employ as of now.
With an extra note that certain character traits can lead to new outcomes..."
"Our research adviser fits the first, our wife fits the second, plus the spousal bonus should make our lord's rolls even better. And what we get is..."
*Event Screen shift, sounds of dice rolling on a table while the results are calculated.*
*"Successful Hatching!"*
"So the egg hatches and we get multiple options - with some of them grey'd out. Let's look at those first:
We can't harvest the dragon for magical regents - dark, man.
Wow, a xenophobe option of just killing it for an XP - and Prestige boost? Damn, man.
We also can't 'tame the monster' to become our future attack dog."
"What the fuck, developers? You have issues, man.
Never stop making games!
This feeds the dark side of my heart!"
"Now to the options available for us:
We can place the dragon - her, to be precise, apparently only the 'good options' care of the gender of the thing - to the care of a minor noble house or some institution, the basic run-of-the-mill good options.
We can send it to a Knight Grandmaster to be taught the art of badassery or..."
'Available to traits Kind, Xenophile or Pragmatic
You adopt -'
*Scene-shift of Doom*
*Click. Click?*
"Would you like me to disable the safety protocols?"
*Click-click-click-click -*
*Scene-shift of Disharmony*
"So we have a dragon daughter now!"
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The OP Power of Freindship! I APPROVE!
- Location
- Goose Land
I'm debating a write in where we ask the Royal Guard to have a meet with the Abolitionists in addition to the Aid Only supplies. We could phrase it as military coordination between the parties we trust to actually be able to do something about Storm, rather than an attempt to let the Royal Guard and Abolitionists feel each other out for the former to potentially support the latter for the throne.
The issue is that it would possibly rather publically push the Abolitionists into the spot light, and they couldn't handle that the last time it was checked.
@Questor what's the chance of Success for Aid Only + Dialogues with the Abolitionists (for military coordination purposes as the cover)? Are the Abolitionists in a position where they can handle being known as a Player for the thrown?
The issue is that it would possibly rather publically push the Abolitionists into the spot light, and they couldn't handle that the last time it was checked.
@Questor what's the chance of Success for Aid Only + Dialogues with the Abolitionists (for military coordination purposes as the cover)? Are the Abolitionists in a position where they can handle being known as a Player for the thrown?