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I think it´s less "don´t care" and more "see it it as superfluous considering most of the stuff proposed is bound to happen in its own anyway".

It´s still a good course of action.
It's not though. The only thing Questor has given is that the Royals will be fighting alongside the Abolitionists if war ever breaks out. That says nothing of their political support, and it is best we push it towards the Abolitionists than the White Star. We could literally end up in a cold war situation wherein we would have to be the aggressor in the situation to hold our interests, or back down and leave the Abolitionist faction to their fate and waste all our time and resources spent intervening.
 
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It's not though. The only thing Questor has given is that the Royals will be fighting alongside the Abolitionists if war ever breaks out. That says nothing of their political support, and it is best we push it towards the Abolitionists than the White Star. We could literally end up in a cold war situation wherein we would have to be the aggressor in the situation to hold our interests, or back down and leave the Abolitionist faction to their fate and waste all our time and resources spent intervening.

Fair enough...I mean, why not?

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It's good to see that Marecinas blames Pegicles for the death of all his victims without dismissing the dead slaves, plus the following impression:
It's fascinating to note the leader of the Royal Guard is harboring anti-noble sentiments...


their political support, and it is best we push it towards the Abolitionists
Well, personally, I wonder whether Marecinas would be a better ruler of Maretonia than Ambrosia. I could easily see her support the abolishment of slavery, both out of pragmatism and a sense of responsibility.

She doesn't even want the crown, she just wants the good of Maretonia and the upholding of her queen's legacy.


@Questor, could I get an estimate for the difficulty of the following write-in?

[X] Plan Legacy
-[X] International Relief Effort
-[X] Aid Only
-[X] Ask what Marecinas knows of Mareia's stance on tha matter of slavery, and try to lead that into the nobles assassinating their sovereign because they saw her slow reforms as concessions and weakness. Make sure to avoid the pitfall of giving the impression as if we are using Mareia's death to further our own position. If we can convince Marecinas that her former queen's actions would have slowly reformed Maretonia until slavery was first de-facto and then de-jure abolished... we might get a genuine ally, instead of one of convenience.
 
Well, personally, I wonder whether Marecinas would be a better ruler of Maretonia than Ambrosia. I could easily see her support the abolishment of slavery, both out of pragmatism and a sense of responsibility.

She doesn't even want the crown, she just wants the good of Maretonia and the upholding of her queen's legacy.
It's a good idea for a back-up plan, hence why I gave you the Like, but I ultimately believe that the greatest gains for our empire that have good enough odds at this point fall on the Abolitionist faction gaining power, in whatever form that may lie. I would be willing to support such a plan if the Abolitionists ultimately fail and it comes down to supporting a binary choice of Marecinas or White Star, but not until then. At the end of the day, we play towards the benefit of Gryphus. That doesn't mean that this needs to be a zero sum game where our benefits are at Maretonia's expense, but it does mean I prefer to prioritize maxing Gryphus's gains over maxing Maretonia's gains.

Ultimately, I don't even care that much about whether a foreign country practices slavery or not in so much as it stops affecting us, but I do like the fact that it has given us an opportunity to assert our sphere of influence over another portion of the continent.
 
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I wonder if we could add a clause to Aid where we're allowed to increase our presence if our personnel are attacked by enemy troops. That would ensure that attacks are punished, and even adds room for risky False Flag Operations.

Should we worry about Marecinas' state? Last thing we need is for her to collapse and leave a power vacuum amongst a neutral power. That doesn't even touch the chance of her becoming irrational from lack of rest. Multiple people have pointed out how sharing sensitive info at this point is too risky, and I have been convinced of their caution.
 
Say what you will, you gotta give Marecinas credit. Anyone lesser would have folded and the capital falling into riot and war, or had pick a side, or anything like that. It clear Marecinas cares for the well being of the kingdom and her subjects while having no love for the nobles who started the civil war leading to the mess everyone find themselves in.

If we had come to the Royal Guard sooner, I'm sure Marecinas would be in better mental shape to work out an deal, but it is also clear she's under an mountain of stress and desperate to find a way out without giving up Maretonia's Independence for it faults, or showing weakness.

[X] Write In: Aid for Recognition:
 
Say what you will, you gotta give Marecinas credit. Anyone lesser would have folded and the capital falling into riot and war, or had pick a side, or anything like that. It clear Marecinas cares for the well being of the kingdom and her subjects while having no love for the nobles who started the civil war leading to the mess everyone find themselves in.

If we had come to the Royal Guard sooner, I'm sure Marecinas would be in better mental shape to work out an deal, but it is also clear she's under an mountain of stress and desperate to find a way out without giving up Maretonia's Independence for it faults, or showing weakness.

[X] Write In: Aid for Recognition:
the way she's unhappy with the situation and how she actually DOES worry for her people speaks well of her. She could actually make a good queen if things end up going that way, and I think the abolitionists could even support her if they get the ONE concession they always wanted.



I'll go with the write-in, though i feel it's a little unnecessary


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Turn 27 Rumor Mill
Breadbasket of the World: With the recent advances in agricultural techniques pioneered by Archimedes, Genevieve and the arcane scholars in the Imperial Court, the numerous land reclamation efforts undertaken by the government, and the introduction of Earth Pony magic to the Empire, the nation's agricultural output has skyrocketed to previously unimaginable levels. Average national crop yields have nearly quadrupled over the course of the past decade, far exceeding population growth and causing a corresponding drop in food prices, further feeding the population boom that began in the aftermath of Discord's disappearance.



The Empire's agricultural productivity is such that it has begun to export foodstuffs by the ton to its neighbors and trade partners, Gryphus-grown produce finding its way onto the plates of Yaks, Qilin, Minotaurs, and the Ponies of Canterbury, further swelling the Imperial coffers as foreign funds flow into the economy. +250 Trade Income

Little Maretonia: The steady influx of thousands of Maretonian refugees entering the Empire in general and the Crystal Protectorate in particular over the past few years has resulted in the establishment and rapid growth of ethnic enclaves in several major cities, the largest of which exists in the Crystal City. While the formation of such neighborhoods provides the refugees with a sense of community and familiarity, questions and concerns have been raised regarding how the Ponies living within these neighborhoods cling to the culture of their original homeland. Others see the ethnic enclaves as little different from the numerous underground settlements established by Diamond Dogs that exist parallel to many cities in the Empire, and accuse the critics of the newly formed Maretonian neighborhoods of xenophobia.

Vikings vs Samurai: The attention of the Imperial Public is suddenly drawn away from the events unfolding South of the border and towards the Emerald Isles as the long anticipated showdown between the Qilin and Caribou finally occurs. In a series of events that will come to be known as the Labsfarne Skirmish, a small flotilla of Vikinger vessels, intent on raiding the Western coast of the Emerald Isles and relieving it of its newly acquired wealth, clashed with a Neighponese Patrol. Neighponese officials have stated that the Caribou vessels refused to turn back or adjust their course despite numerous warnings, culminating in an attempt by what has been surmised to be the lead ship in the raiding party attempting to ram one of the Neighponese ships.


A Neighponese "Turtle-Ship", similar to one used in the battle.

The resulting naval battle was as swift and brutal as it was one-sided, ending with the sinking or incineration of all Caribou ships and the capture of the few surviving would be raiders, who are now being held by the Neighponese government as pirates. Casualties amongst the Qilin sailors were limited to half a dozen wounded and largely cosmetic damage to two of their ships. As of now, there has been no response or official statement regarding the event from the Jarls of the Caribou Kingdoms, though the Alphas of the Emerald Isles have officially expressed their gratitude for the Neighponese intervention. Time will tell what the consequences of this event will be, and what effect this will have on the region.
 
Aid for Recognition seems to be the obvious winner of the poll, on top of being an excellent write in. My thanks to @Somebodynobody10 for making such a great action.
Adhoc vote count started by Questor on Apr 13, 2020 at 6:21 PM, finished with 89 posts and 24 votes.

  • [X] Write In: Aid for Recognition:
    [X] Aid Only
    [x] Aid
    [X] Write In: Aid for Recognition:
    -[X] As in Aid only, but additionally try negotiating for Royal Guards acceptance of the Abolitionists as a proper faction of this civil war, even if weaker than the others they may seem.
    -[X] If the formerly neutral faction joins the fight they could find it beneficial approaching the other factions that might possibly work with them. If the Royal Guard include the Abolitionists when the time comes, it would give the whole faction legitimacy which to use to gather others to their banner.
    -[X] The Abolitionists are also Maretonians (those that don't want to just leave to their own homelands when all is set and done), even if influenced by us. The Abolitionists lack elite troops and military experience, while the Royal Guard lack a main battle-line which to attach to. Working together, at least in some limited capacity, would likely prove very beneficial.
    --[X] Of course, Gawain Golden-Feather cannot promise that an agreement would be reached between the two factions. As much as their detractors in Maretonia claim it, the Abolitionists are their own people. What we are asking is that the Guard honestly try to come to an agreement of sorts with them, the rest is up to the two Maretonian groups.
    --[X]In effect, most of the musings about legitimacy isn't something Gawain is gonna say to Captain General Marecinas. This is one of his internal reasonings on why he's aiming for this goal. What he would be telling Marecinas would be to look for assistance within the Maretonia if even limited support from Griffonia is so unwanted, and that while House White Star is still fighting, they are heavily ravaged economically, most likely afloat only because of our aid to combat the refugee crisis, rife with internal power struggles and otherwise disorganized. Abolitionists lack all of these weaknesses but the refugee problem. And no matter what, the Abolitionists are already fighting in the Civil War: Wouldn't it be better that instead of the situation potentially escalating until a greater involvement from us becomes more and more likely by their reckoning, the war would rather be handled mostly internally?
    [X] Plan Legacy
    -[X] International Relief Effort
    -[X] Aid Only
    -[X] Ask what Marecinas knows of Mareia's stance on tha matter of slavery, and try to lead that into the nobles assassinating their sovereign because they saw her slow reforms as concessions and weakness. Make sure to avoid the pitfall of giving the impression as if we are using Mareia's death to further our own position. If we can convince Marecinas that her former queen's actions would have slowly reformed Maretonia until slavery was first de-facto and then de-jure abolished... we might get a genuine ally, instead of one of convenience.
    [X]Aid for Recognition
 
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