- Location
- USA
So you would force a people to move into our empire and introduce a now hostile element into our lands. That's just plain bad. I have no doubt they will come with us but we will force no one.
Who Needs Harmony?: An MLP Empire Quest
- Thread starter Questor
- Start date
- Location
- Back in Cali
To save their lives yes I would. We can deal with it same as we deal with other problems that come up by choosing the right options.
honestly i don't think we can fix the wasteland. its been trapped in eternal winter for so long the plants and wildlife are GONE. no one has resoruces to fix it, best we can do is let nature slowly creep back from the outside in.
what hostile element? the Crystal ponies are so broken they can't do a thing to us and even if we rip them from this ruined shithole we're still giving them a better life then they could have under sombra or if they stayed in these worthless, decaying ruins.
- Location
- USA
Well its quiet simple say they want to stay for whatever reason and attempt to rebuild their nation then we just say no your coming with us fuck your free will your one of us now, idc how weakened they are they will remember it regardless, im not saying they will want to stay but we shouldnt force anyone who dosent want to though i highly doubt many will object.
rebuild with what? there is NOTHING out here Raptor. no food, the only water is snow that has been contaminated by the battle, the city has been left in ruins by the battle and won't be able to shield them from the cold, and supplying the city enough to let it rebuild will strain our logistics to the breaking point if we can even afford it.
they stay in the city of a dead empire they die and we can't meaningfully change that.
- Location
- USA
Like i said i doubt it will happen but im against forcing them all to move against their will should they not want to.
- Location
- Space
They were literally able to produce food in Empire under Sombra you know so if they say that they want to stay i believe that they know their land far better than us, but once again if.
- Location
- Back in Cali
There are only two options here one is stay and die in the ruins of a fallen civilization. The other is come with us so they cab heal and return one day in the future after we have restored the land. If these people were of sound mind and body that choice would be theirs to make. They are not all of them are broken in one way or the other that means the duty falls to us. We make the choice to let them die or accept that some will hate us for forcing them to move. I am alright with the hate because they get to live so they can hate.
food as in what people will willingly eat or "food" as in the fantasy version of 40k rations and corpse starch
- Location
- USA
And that is where we will agree to disagree then my friend.
- Location
- Back in Cali
I was trying to not come out and say that whenever I talked about the starvation rations Sombra was feeding his people. But I doubt that is it remember the bodies were left where ever they fell no recovery for processing. The only thing we have that talks about the bodies is that they were used to make abominations.
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- Saipan
See, all this arguing about whether we take the Crystal Ponies or not surprises me. If we leave them there, I'm just imagining it all as us saving a malnourished and traumatized child from a slaver by arresting the slaver, but leaving the child in the house of the slaver. A house that's run down with no running water or electricity, and very little food.
- Location
- Italy
A few mixed answers/points I want to make about the recent discussions
1) the crystal ponies are coming with us. They're not capable of caring for themselves right now, they have no government/ social structure! If we leave them here, most of them will starve! the mentally healthier MIGHT start coming back in a few years if they really want to (I find it unlikely they would want to though)
I can't really imagine many refusing though, so this is probably a moot point.
2)we're taking the crystal heart. We're not leaving a powerful magical artifact defenseless! IF the ponies decide they want to come back in the future we could decide to let them take it with them, but not now. I don't expect them to have a problem with it.
3) about the book... I think many of us are a bit too paranoid. The crystal heart seems to have purified all dark magic around, and we have oricalchum just in case.
It's probably just a spell book. Probably dark/dangerous magic, but not necessarily evil. And even if it was evil magic knowledge of it can still be useful. We'd just have to be carefull about who's given access to it.
I'll remind you that even in canon mlp BOTH CELESTIA and TWILIGHT are shown to know and use dark magic, if very rarely.
Even Some of Sombra's knowledge could be possibly used for good. For example crystal golems to work in the fields/mines, or for our army (as long as no crystal pony is part of their creation).
Controlling trolls and various beasts would be useful as well..
Basically what I'm saying is that we should have trusted people study the book's content, and then use what's useful and not immoral (carefully and after triple checking!!!) while preparing countermeasures for whatever is evil/corrupt/unacceptable.
At the very least it will further our understanding of magic and its limits.
4) I doubt Sombra gained power before Discord, mostly because I doubt He would have tolerated the mad not! Unicorn
1) the crystal ponies are coming with us. They're not capable of caring for themselves right now, they have no government/ social structure! If we leave them here, most of them will starve! the mentally healthier MIGHT start coming back in a few years if they really want to (I find it unlikely they would want to though)
I can't really imagine many refusing though, so this is probably a moot point.
2)we're taking the crystal heart. We're not leaving a powerful magical artifact defenseless! IF the ponies decide they want to come back in the future we could decide to let them take it with them, but not now. I don't expect them to have a problem with it.
3) about the book... I think many of us are a bit too paranoid. The crystal heart seems to have purified all dark magic around, and we have oricalchum just in case.
It's probably just a spell book. Probably dark/dangerous magic, but not necessarily evil. And even if it was evil magic knowledge of it can still be useful. We'd just have to be carefull about who's given access to it.
I'll remind you that even in canon mlp BOTH CELESTIA and TWILIGHT are shown to know and use dark magic, if very rarely.
Even Some of Sombra's knowledge could be possibly used for good. For example crystal golems to work in the fields/mines, or for our army (as long as no crystal pony is part of their creation).
Controlling trolls and various beasts would be useful as well..
Basically what I'm saying is that we should have trusted people study the book's content, and then use what's useful and not immoral (carefully and after triple checking!!!) while preparing countermeasures for whatever is evil/corrupt/unacceptable.
At the very least it will further our understanding of magic and its limits.
4) I doubt Sombra gained power before Discord, mostly because I doubt He would have tolerated the mad not! Unicorn
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- Back in Cali
Discord would not really care. Discord wasn't at all concerned about others no matter what they did.
- Location
- Italy
FINALLY!
- Location
- A house
Was hoping diplo relations would go up too, considering we just stopped a world ending threat together, BUT YEAH! BEST EMPEROR EVER!
Also, is 10 really the cap? I want to see if it's possible to get 11/10 spousal relation. Even if it's just fluff now, I really feel we deserve going up to 11 on loving our wife.
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- Back in Cali
10 is the cap if we get more it would likely only be a buffer nothing else.
So... Interesting thought. Outside the fact that Archimedes is absolutely a survivor of the Old Empire, the Empire Resurgent has a rather interesting position. Due to the rather high attrition rate of the Winter War in particular but with our other conflicts adding to it, we have the conditions to transition to a "proper" industrial economy:
A lack of working age laborers means farms will have to get more efficient, which they did in part with the seed drill. Higher efficiency means lesser costs and greater concentration of farmland under those who can more cheaply work it, displacing some portion of the workers to the cities. This means cheap labor for various manufacturing/refining type jobs such as the various metalworking businesses. Even with the recent equipment developments there it is still a skill based job in all respects as a lower entry skill means more competition, so we will likely see a split between quality and mass production (for example, split between those smithies that work armor and those that produce things like nails and pots) leading to guilds and the ancestors of modern factories respectively.
Fortunately, the griffon lands are plentiful in "essentials" like iron ore and coal, so we shouldn't hit the point of needing to take certain types of areas in the interest of national wealth and security until we get numerous and affordable steam powered vessels, as such ships will need numerous coaling stations along whatever coasts they are sailing between. Although it is possible we'll see interest and "interest" in certain luxury foods and such.
A lack of working age laborers means farms will have to get more efficient, which they did in part with the seed drill. Higher efficiency means lesser costs and greater concentration of farmland under those who can more cheaply work it, displacing some portion of the workers to the cities. This means cheap labor for various manufacturing/refining type jobs such as the various metalworking businesses. Even with the recent equipment developments there it is still a skill based job in all respects as a lower entry skill means more competition, so we will likely see a split between quality and mass production (for example, split between those smithies that work armor and those that produce things like nails and pots) leading to guilds and the ancestors of modern factories respectively.
Fortunately, the griffon lands are plentiful in "essentials" like iron ore and coal, so we shouldn't hit the point of needing to take certain types of areas in the interest of national wealth and security until we get numerous and affordable steam powered vessels, as such ships will need numerous coaling stations along whatever coasts they are sailing between. Although it is possible we'll see interest and "interest" in certain luxury foods and such.
- Location
- Back in Cali
We have over 3 million people in our Empire and growing the war has only cost a few thousands of deaths. We have more than enough people also our army is not pressed gang levies they are a full time military and a professional force.
We do have levies actually, but they are only called up for defense of the homeland. And what casualties, and professional military, we have are taken from the most fit portion of the population, so it still works.
Oh yeah, and now we have to increase efficiency more to account for the surviving Crystals we rescued and how they have quite nearly nothing left of their nation and will basically live off our donations of food and so on. Sure they will become workers too, later, but now we have to figure out how we want to integrate them into the Resurgent Empire.
- Location
- Back in Cali
Those are regulars and they are used to keep the monsters in check as part of their civic and community service. And no they are not the most fit portion all of our people are the most fit portion they are all fighters and warriors that is our thing there is no shortage what so ever we have lost less than a single percent of the population. We already make more than enough for double our populations need the Crystal Ponies are not going to strain anything beyond the immediate reserves.
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
- Location
- Murica
It's worth mentioning that it takes a fair amount of time to go from steam power existing to steamships and trains and the like. Early steam engines were only good for pumping out coal mines, since they were so horribly inefficient they required coal to be basically free. It took a lot of refinement and tinkering to get engines that were good for much else. I know our tech development is already crazy fast, but the Industrial Revolution isn't going to happen overnight. On a realistic timescale, it would take decades.
- Location
- California
Nope, we have a canon omake that says otherwise.
Also,
Tyranny = Discord Interrupt
Since Discord has a solid dislike of order, and what is more orderly and restrictive than an oppressive regime.