We Stand Against the Stars (Gundam/Macross)
- Thread starter manofjay
- Start date
- Crossover
- Location
- Back in Cali
The other colonies have defence forces. Same as what Zeon had had before it became Zeon.
- Location
- England
So not even remotely, understood.
So not at all? Looking at the timeline, Zeon had already declared independence when they established their defence force. Rather, they did the two simultaneously (established guard, declared independence.)
- Location
- Back in Cali
Zeon didn't declare Independence until after the death of Zeon himself. He died during his speech to declare Independence and they already had a defense force. It was expanded and became the core of the new Zeon military after the Zabis took control.
- Location
- England
Not really? If you go by Origin, they literally called themselves the Autonomous Republic of Munzo and conducted their own business. The Federation maintained a garrison, but it wasn't remotely the same as the other Sides. Similarly, in base MSG, the Republic of Zeon was a free and independent entity in Zeon's lifetime.
- Location
- Back in Cali
You do realize that for the most part all the colonies conduct their own business correct. Zeon was the most autonomous but before the death of their leader and the Zabis taking control they still were a part of the greater whole. Same with the rest the Earth Federation took resources from the colonies but aside from that more or less left them alone because no one wanted to be bothered to actually run them from Earth. The colonies deal with their own stuff because no one on Earth ever cared to. Only side one where the Federation had their seat of government was under direct control. The others were only used as resources to fuel the elites of Earth.
- Location
- Dhaka, Bangladesh
[X] With Backers like these who needs an R&D Division?
-[X] Flank them (Roll 2d100 (Shooting/Maneuver), Best of 4)
- [X] Can you hear me?
-[X] "So whose 'convoy' did you raid to get those anyways?"
-[X] Flank them (Roll 2d100 (Shooting/Maneuver), Best of 4)
- [X] Can you hear me?
-[X] "So whose 'convoy' did you raid to get those anyways?"
- Location
- England
No, Zeon declared independence when they declared independence, which was when Zeon (the man) declared the Republic.
And even if what you say is true, that just makes the attacks on Sides 2 and 4 even more of a dick move by Zeon than otherwise, because they literally nuked and gassed neutral parties for the crime of being...
Fellow spacenoids?
Well in Gundam canon they killed off half the human population the overwhelming majority of whom weren't on Side 3 to take out the EF garrisons before they could deploy as they achieved a complete surprise attack, and to avoid bloody urban combat. So it technically wasn't for evil the sake of evil, but it makes it no less of a war crime, and well one of their main leaders considers his father comparing him to Hitler as a positive thing iirc.
Do keep in mind is that in UC Gundam the only outright neutral Side was 6 whereas this quest is an au.
- Location
- England
Well yes it's the AU thing tripping me up, because it doesn't say it's an AU except for the bits with Macross.
But yeah, this Quest seems to be more in line with later Gundams, where Federation bad Zeon good.
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There was a unification war in Macross, and we apparently had a few other ones thrown in to this as well for fluff.
More like the Federation was corrupt, but Zeon, and by extension Neo Zeon used any moral high ground they had to gain momentum to charge into the depths of ill deeds. They also close lined the Federation along the way dragging them along for ride downward.
At the end of the day we've managed to clear the worst of the corruption in this quest, but Zeon remains Zeon. In short I wouldn't trust Zeon not to stab the Federation in the back if they thought they could get away with it while using hypocritical words to make their actions look good.
- Location
- Back in Cali
We had a unification war either before the start of the UC timeline or right at the beginning. The other conflicts that happened were uprising, insurgency, revolution, or terrorism.
As for the Federation and Zeon both side we're and to an extent still bad and corrupt. There is a reason we have options for Black ops and illegal actions. Even with our cleaning up of the highest placed officials there still are plenty of ingrained corrupt practices that we need to deal with. Zeon lost the most fanatical members to TZ and the leadership knows that pulling any power plays now will only get them killed along with all their people. They aren't good guys but they are smart enough to work for the greater good and survival.
Also Eternal the quest is tagged as a AU and crossover both are at the top along with the rest of them.
As for the Federation and Zeon both side we're and to an extent still bad and corrupt. There is a reason we have options for Black ops and illegal actions. Even with our cleaning up of the highest placed officials there still are plenty of ingrained corrupt practices that we need to deal with. Zeon lost the most fanatical members to TZ and the leadership knows that pulling any power plays now will only get them killed along with all their people. They aren't good guys but they are smart enough to work for the greater good and survival.
Also Eternal the quest is tagged as a AU and crossover both are at the top along with the rest of them.
- Location
- England
I'll remind you that said most fanatical members do not include Char "I'll drop a rock on the Earth to permanently freeze it" Aznable and Gihren "Half of all humanity is a small price to pay for me becoming ruler" Zabi.
- Location
- USA
Admittedly Char has had his worldview rocked (and even at his worst TZ would still have disgusted him), Gihren is playing the long game. Update at 12 today has I have woken up at an hour that isn't awful.
- Location
- England
In fairness, yes, Char only went off the deep end after everyone he cared about died, I'll give him that.
But long game or not, Gihren's a genocidal maniac who wants to murder people because something something natural selection overpopulation, I don't fucking trust him.
Speaking of those two, isn't Char still trying to get all the Zabis killed in the long run? I wish he'd hurry up with that.
- Location
- Tarn-Vedra
[X] Flank them (Roll 2d100 (Shooting/Maneuver), Best of 4)
- Location
- Back in Cali
No because the only reason he did that was because he was told that the Zabis killed his father even when there was no evidence of that. Right now there is a chance he goes after the Federation since they are the ones that killed his father. Since we caught tried and executed the ones responsible he might be satisfied.
ThatGuyWithIdeas
Treize died for our sins
- Location
- Romania
Oh boy, here we go again... taking a set of 2D100, wish me luck (and watch me roll a 1 on at least 1 of the dice...)
- Location
- Back in Cali
Hit them where it hurts.
Edit: Well one of them is dead.
Edit: Well one of them is dead.
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- Location
- USA
*silent QM screams of agony*
- Location
- Back in Cali
I am so sorry but you did say this battle had gone on for too long.
ThatGuyWithIdeas
Treize died for our sins
- Location
- Romania
Calm down QM... I'm pretty sure you haven't rolled the dice for the enemy yet, so they might still have a chance to get a crit themselves... right?
- Location
- Back in Cali
I'll make it up to you I am working a new schedule so I have more time off now. I will work on the individual Aces and MS for named characters for you and send it to you later today or tomorrow.