We Stand Against the Stars (Gundam/Macross)
The Fourth Kind of Ace
- Location
- USA
U.C. 0079.08.17- Side 7, Research Sector
Pixie had always said that there were three kinds of Aces: Those who seek strength, those who live for pride, and those who can read the tide of battle. Those were the three, Cipher mused silently to her self in the cockpit of her GM. They had offered her a Gundam, but is was a point of pride that she could out fight anyone well in a 'grunt' unit. Speaking of which, she thought to herself. She jumped her GM away from a Zaku taking a wild swing at her with a Heat Hawk, putting a beam through it's lower torso. Whenever it had come up Pixie had insisted she was the third, which she supposed was true, Cipher mused as she jammed the bottom edge of her shield into a Zaku as she landed. The impact crushed the TZ machine's cockpit and it toppled backwards.
I hope it was quick, otherwise that's a bad way to go.
Cipher continued marching toward the gunfire she'd been hearing for the past fifteen or so minutes. She was supposed to be the only armed MS in the colony, she was cheaper than a whole squad (if only just), so she surprised that anyone else was putting up much of a fight.
As she came upon the active battlefield she mused further, You know Pixie (you scum) you forgot the all important fourth Ace.
Two Zakus, one with a MMP-80 and the other with a bazooka, lay face down, clean holes lie in the center of their torsos, dangerously close to their reactors. A Gundam, she wasn't if it was a prototype or not (it was painted in test colors), was blocking 120mm fire from a Zaku with it's shield. The Gundam was holding its rifle above it's head, clearly poised to fire at the first opportunity. From Cipher's point of view it was obvious the pilot was an amateur, abet a skilled one.
Lucky nuggets with just enough skill to not die right away.
Cipher wouldn't lie, taking on three-to-one odds with a bazooka in the mix was impressive, but if the pilot carried like they were they'd detonate a reactor and kill the whole colony. Which would mean that she wouldn't get paid, Sigh.
Lets save this idiot from themselves.
Her GM once again leapt into the air, when the artificial gravity reasserted it's self she angled her MS and fell. Right onto the enemy Zaku. The TZ Mobile Suit fell backwards as it was crushed by the the Federation's mainstay. After she finished off her downed foe with a beam to the cockpit she turned to the Gundam and opened radio communications. "You, in the Gundam, name and rank."
???
< I'm, um, not really in the military. >
Ah, just her luck, a civi playing hero. "So? You've still got a name don't you?"
???
< Of course I do! I just don't see any reason to give away to some weirdo! Actually just who are you? Nobody but that Federation Merc should have a Mobile Suit! >
The voice was young, male, and filled with a fear disguising bravado that reminded her of P.J. in a way that made her chest hurt. She shook off the feeling and responded, "Look kid, people tend to take joy riding military hardware very seriously. So drop the attitude and I'll deputize you or something." Maybe it was nostalgia, but having a younger wingman again would be nice.
???
< ....Can you really do that? >
"Probably not, but if anyone complains I'll offer to drop my price by 30%," Cipher smiled to herself, "now come on, there's more TZ stalking about."
???
< ......Sure. What should I call you? >
"Anything other than 'buddy' is fine, but my callsign is Cipher. You?"
< Amuro Ray >
(The next update is coming in the next 2 days, as an apology for how far away that is ask me anything about Cipher)
Pixie had always said that there were three kinds of Aces: Those who seek strength, those who live for pride, and those who can read the tide of battle. Those were the three, Cipher mused silently to her self in the cockpit of her GM. They had offered her a Gundam, but is was a point of pride that she could out fight anyone well in a 'grunt' unit. Speaking of which, she thought to herself. She jumped her GM away from a Zaku taking a wild swing at her with a Heat Hawk, putting a beam through it's lower torso. Whenever it had come up Pixie had insisted she was the third, which she supposed was true, Cipher mused as she jammed the bottom edge of her shield into a Zaku as she landed. The impact crushed the TZ machine's cockpit and it toppled backwards.
I hope it was quick, otherwise that's a bad way to go.
Cipher continued marching toward the gunfire she'd been hearing for the past fifteen or so minutes. She was supposed to be the only armed MS in the colony, she was cheaper than a whole squad (if only just), so she surprised that anyone else was putting up much of a fight.
As she came upon the active battlefield she mused further, You know Pixie (you scum) you forgot the all important fourth Ace.
Two Zakus, one with a MMP-80 and the other with a bazooka, lay face down, clean holes lie in the center of their torsos, dangerously close to their reactors. A Gundam, she wasn't if it was a prototype or not (it was painted in test colors), was blocking 120mm fire from a Zaku with it's shield. The Gundam was holding its rifle above it's head, clearly poised to fire at the first opportunity. From Cipher's point of view it was obvious the pilot was an amateur, abet a skilled one.
Lucky nuggets with just enough skill to not die right away.
Cipher wouldn't lie, taking on three-to-one odds with a bazooka in the mix was impressive, but if the pilot carried like they were they'd detonate a reactor and kill the whole colony. Which would mean that she wouldn't get paid, Sigh.
Lets save this idiot from themselves.
Her GM once again leapt into the air, when the artificial gravity reasserted it's self she angled her MS and fell. Right onto the enemy Zaku. The TZ Mobile Suit fell backwards as it was crushed by the the Federation's mainstay. After she finished off her downed foe with a beam to the cockpit she turned to the Gundam and opened radio communications. "You, in the Gundam, name and rank."
???
< I'm, um, not really in the military. >
Ah, just her luck, a civi playing hero. "So? You've still got a name don't you?"
???
< Of course I do! I just don't see any reason to give away to some weirdo! Actually just who are you? Nobody but that Federation Merc should have a Mobile Suit! >
The voice was young, male, and filled with a fear disguising bravado that reminded her of P.J. in a way that made her chest hurt. She shook off the feeling and responded, "Look kid, people tend to take joy riding military hardware very seriously. So drop the attitude and I'll deputize you or something." Maybe it was nostalgia, but having a younger wingman again would be nice.
???
< ....Can you really do that? >
"Probably not, but if anyone complains I'll offer to drop my price by 30%," Cipher smiled to herself, "now come on, there's more TZ stalking about."
???
< ......Sure. What should I call you? >
"Anything other than 'buddy' is fine, but my callsign is Cipher. You?"
< Amuro Ray >
(The next update is coming in the next 2 days, as an apology for how far away that is ask me anything about Cipher)
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- Location
- Back in Cali
So Cipher is still a merc then. I guess it makes sense in a way. Amuro isn't really some kind of special ace though without his new type abilities and luck he never would have gotten far.
- Location
- Back in Cali
I wouldn't hold my breath. Amuro has no reason or inclination to follow Cipher or join the EFF. Not that he could anyways he is too young.
- Location
- USA
Amuro Ray still wound up piloting a Gundam, fate still seems to have a role for him regardless of changes.
He may not mentor under Cipher, but he will find a place on the frontlines of the coming war one way or another. Who knows, it might even be at the controls of a Zeon machine instead of a Gundam.
- Location
- England
It's true, the Gundam hard carried him through a month or two of high intensity combat.
However, at that month or two point he did git gud at a rapid pace, so there's that to note. Even against other Newtypes he was ahead of the curve.
Just, uh, not without training.
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- Back in Cali
How and why would Amuro ever join the EFF? Not only is he too young to join he never showed that he wanted to join in the first place. He only was forced to out of desperation. The Gundam doesn't matter it is nothing special and he won't keep it. This wasn't a major attack either it was a minor raid that Cipher was already dealing with before Amuro got involved.
- Location
- USA
I never said that he would. I said that it seems Amuro wont be escaping destiny, and is going to somehow wind up at the controls of a mobile suit. EFF, Zeon, or some coalition government that forms later, Amuro Ray is going to end up fighting the Zentradi.
Probably not for a long while since, as you said, he is still just a kid.
There is an alien invasion coming. A lot of people who dont give a rat's ass about politics are going to be joining the military for that simple little cause of saving hummanity from extinction.
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- Back in Cali
How is he not escaping destiny? So he got into the new Gundam Prototype that is in work what of it? He isn't keeping it and aside from helping Cipher who did it more so he wouldn't blow up the colony more than she needed his help. Amuro unless he joins Cipher is still going to be living on his colony with his father. And no people don't know there is an alien invasion is coming. In fact not even the highest levels of the military or government know that a invasion is coming. All they know is that it is possible that one could come. And Amuro was always an engineer before he was a pilot if he joins the war effort it will be in that capacity not as a pilot. And even if he was a pilot he would be no more than another pilot in the large list of pilots. Nothing incredible or super special unless he gets placed in a unique squad or organization. Even then it will only be the unit not him that is special. There is no new government that will form each faction would never allow it.
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- USA
This is actually only partly true, the people do know about the possible invasion but have no idea as to the scale. Also in the government's (both of them) opinion the invasion is happening and that it's only a matter of time.
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- Back in Cali
But why do they think that? Nothing they got says that an armada is on its way. We only know because of meta reasons. The ship didn't have records saying it was being tracked and that the Armada would follow it. And the debrief they got only said what the many splinter groups would do if we were found not that they were coming for us. Now it is very likely that some form of force would find us because the debrief told them that the groups send out ships to look around. So that way the Governments can reasonably assume that an attack will happen but they don't have a 100% confirmation. And the people would have none of this information. They know the ship that crashed was a warship, they know it was huge, they know that there are aliens, and they know they may show up. That is it nothing more because no government would tell their people "hey we are going to get invaded by an alien horde". That would only cause panic and crash the economy that is needed to prepare. The people see the government making preparations for a possible fight but that is something that would have needed to happen anyway. It is a logical move when faced by an unknown to build up and prepare as best as you can.
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- USA
That's why I said in the government's opinion, and people don't know about the invasion, but they are smart enough to put 2 and 2 together.
- Location
- Back in Cali
Not really they don't have enough information to conclude invasion. At best they can look and see military expansion to point to a potential conflict but not who the conflict is with aside from the one they are already fighting. Plus it isn't only military expansion that is happening industrial and civilian expansion is happening alongside the military expansion so it doesn't look like the government is simply building more weapons but is in fact just improving the lives of its people overall.
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- USA
I don't want to argue with you wolf, but the reason a large proportion of the civilian population think that the aliens are coming, and that they are hostile are as such:
1. The sudden turnaround in EF and Zeon relations
2. The large builtup of military industries
3. A lot of the damage on the Macross is obvious not from reentry and even in a world with no internet something like that isn't gonna stay secret for long.
I will say I've probably made it out to be bigger than it is. It's more along the lines that everyone had that one friend who swares that the aliens are coming and the need to build a bunker. That and the "the end is nigh" doomsayers have had a notable uptick in activity. Still a good chunk of the population think something thing is up and that it involves aliens.
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- Back in Cali
That's fine I guess.
I forgot that Gundam and Macross don't have an internet we need to get on that fast our cat videos and memes go unsent and gathering dust.
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KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
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- Midwest, USA
I'd love to see Amuro end up being an Ace who's good through a combination of Skill, Luck, "Fate", Newtype Bullshit, and having the single most highly-tuned, fully-customized fighting machine in this half of the galaxy.
As I recall, the Nu Gundam, which is a potent piece of equipment, is at least partially his work? But it was also dangerous because of who was piloting it.
As I recall, the Nu Gundam, which is a potent piece of equipment, is at least partially his work? But it was also dangerous because of who was piloting it.
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- Back in Cali
We will not have super-machines or super pilots in this. Even Aces will not win the war on their own. To win will need everything we can throw at them and every advantage we can build into the majority of the forces instead of single units. Also new types will not have the stupid level of powers that the later shows made.
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
....Alrighty then.
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- Back in Cali
Why do you think we are putting so much work into the fleet and tech? This isn't one-off versions everything we made is production version for our entire military. Aces and a super machine aren't going to win a war against a fleet of at least a million ships.....Alrighty then.
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
Let me phrase this differently:
I'm feeling kind of attacked, and extremely frustrated that you're being hyper-aggressive and putting words in my mouth about the scope of my idea, as opposed to the spirit of my idea.
Basically, the way you're talking to me about this is pretty jerk-y.
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- Back in Cali
That how I talk. Not much I can do about it.
- Location
- USA
The author could have just left Amuro as some random colony kid who wound up with a boring engineering career. Instead, they went out of their way to show still-young Amuro climbing into what seems to be the same Gundam he would pilot for the first series.
Sure, he wont be keeping that suit. And right now he might not have any plans to get back in the robot one day. But I believe that the whole point of the interlude was to show us that manofjay still has plans for the White Devil in their story.
We as the readers know things the characters cant, so we know very well that there will be war with the Zentradi.
After this last excellent chapter? I will be VERY surprised if Amuro doesn't end up a mobile suit pilot.
- Location
- Back in Cali
No that Gundam is at the California Base. This Gundam is being used to test some of the new tech we are developing from the next level of the V-project. And that was exactly what was established long ago that Amuro was just a random colony kid living his life nothing special.
The point was an introduction to Cipher and we already knew Amuro got involved since the last turn.
So what that means nothing. We know the war is coming that is why we are pushing technology and industrial capacity as hard as we are right now. Because that is how we are going to survive the war.
We have known that Amuro was involved in the fight for a while. We also had the choice not to get that Chapter we just decided we did like the sound of it. It was literaly a random choice that had all the chance of never seeing the light of day.
...but its a macross crossover? Does that mean our enemies will be nerfed super-extra-hard or is it just an instant lose later on?