We Stand Against the Stars (Gundam/Macross)
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Derek58
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Well at least we know this now.
Hey there! Time for a chat in a dark room
Yessss, sweet sweet beam carbines/rifles
Sweet!
Neat
Nice
True Zeon controlled special weapons
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x1 MS-10 Pezun Dowadge
x3 MS-06MP Manipulation System Type Zaku II
x3
x2 Nuclear Bazooka
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My god it's literally every spaceborne Zeon weapon designed up to this point except the Zakrello. Is there anything they don't have? We'll be staring down the barrel of a Big Zam next month.
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Yes, their on the tree, if you want me to make them a higher priority I will.
Derek58
Rocket Punch is Best Punch
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...god dammit Zeon
Research Report #05
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"The weapons of the alien vessel are formidable indeed. It's "main" battery consist of larger versions of the energy weapons of the alien suit, their larger size has allowed us a more in dept look at the mechanisms. The cannon collects an unknown gas in it's chamber (we have not identified the mixture but we have replaced it), then using a sort of electron manipulation the gas is spun until the the mixture is stretched thin. Once the mixture is thin enough it is then ignited via laser, then using the same electron manipulation as before it is propelled out the barrel in beam form. The electron manipulation alone gives us ideas for a solid slug "railgun", however that is not the most impressive thing we've uncovered. The main weapon of the ship is some kind of "reaction cannon". We not exactly sure how it works but low-balled estimations say this gun will make nukes obsolete. Unfortunately we'd need to get the ship space-worthy to find out more, as testing a weapon of this power in atmosphere is likely a bad idea."
With regards,
Dr. Michal Chistov
(Weapons researched, heavy energy weapons unlocked, energy weapons can now be placed in the main battery, New Tech unlocked: Railguns, New MS Part: Sniper: MSSaR Mk. 1 (Moblie Suit Semi-automatic Railgun Mark 1), the GM and EMS-11 are now capable of using this weapon. But of course, you know this already.)
With regards,
Dr. Michal Chistov
(Weapons researched, heavy energy weapons unlocked, energy weapons can now be placed in the main battery, New Tech unlocked: Railguns, New MS Part: Sniper: MSSaR Mk. 1 (Moblie Suit Semi-automatic Railgun Mark 1), the GM and EMS-11 are now capable of using this weapon. But of course, you know this already.)
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They don't have an RnD department and no manufacturing capacity. Just how do you expect them to get the Big Zam. We have told you to stop trying to blow this out of proportion. They have less than 30 MS. And they can only get more stuff from stealing and we have improved our protection detail now. And Zeon will not keep letting them steal as that makes them look incompetent.
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...god dammit Zeon
To be honest with you all Zeon rolled a 1.
Edit: They do have about 20 regular Zaku 2s with no ECA
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Steal it, like they stole everything else.
They have god damn nukes.
And no, those are just their special weapons. They have 13 high end testbed and custom Mobile Suits, and 3 latest generation units that take a dump on basically everything we have. We have no clue how many conventional (Zaku I and II C or F) MS they have. Or Space-Type Goufs and Efreets, those are also technically possible.
Additionally, I suspect that at this point Gihren may be bankrolling them deliberately by letting things fall off the back of the space-truck. Sure, it wasn't deliberate initially and it's not making a great impression on the public, but it's doing a hell of a god job softening the Federation up for if he wants to try and pull something in the future.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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Would be nice, seeing the side talks will be a bit moot before T Zeon is crushed.
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Right because Zeon is really going to let itself look so incompetent that they keep losing all of there gear. They have 20 Zaku IIs with no new upgrades. As for the Nukes so what they can threathen to use them but the moment they do they lose. We have more Zeon has more and no one will complain when we carpet bomb them for using a Nuke. Again they are not all-powerful they are lucky and Gihren isn't stupid enough to arm and let these forces humiliate him and his government like this. Not everything is a grand conspiracy sometimes things really just go bad.
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first off that is going to be a pain to deal with, that thing can hit a battleship from the front make it go though its backside and i hope we can capture it.
however, it will be surpported better then it first test run.
when dealing with this we need to make the fleet as agile as possable and run Minovsky particle density to max as i do not think even our biggest guns can come near it firing range
next
if that come with nukes we will have more then enough reason to deploy our own.
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They have 20 Zaku IIs? I feel like you just made that number up. And maybe, but it's not the craziest idea in the world when we know he was specifically investing in gear designed to take us down.
Derek58
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He didn't, the QM edited their post to include it.
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Literally what the QM just said. Of course they had gear to fight fight us up until a few months ago both sides were gearing up to fight a war for years. This is the same thing like last time when you tried to say that we lost a 20th of our fleet when it was nowhere near that number.
New Escorts
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(Size locked to Light Cruiser or smaller)
Class Name: (write in)
[] Light Cruiser (Main Battery slots 3, Secondary slots 6, Auxiliary slots 6)
[] Destroyer (Main Battery slots 1, Secondary slots, 8, Auxiliary slots 3)
Main Battery (options can be picked more than once)
[] Ultra-heavy (cost 3)
[] Super-heavy (cost 2)
[] Heavy (cost 1)
[] Heavy Railgun (cost 2)
[] Heavy Energy (cost 1)
[] Medium (cost 0.5)
[] Medium Railgun (cost 1)
[] Medium Energy (cost 0.5)
Secondaries
[] Medium (cost 2)
[] Medium Energy (cost 2)
[] Light (cost 1)
[] Light Energy (cost 1)
[] Missile (cost 1)
[] Anti-MS guns (cost 1)
[] Anti-Air guns (cost 0.5)
Auxiliary
[] Coms center (cost 2)
[] Hanger (cost 2)
[] Large Hanger (cost 3)
[] Extended Barracks (cost 1)
[] I-field Generator (cost 3)
[] Energy Conversion Armor (cost 2)
[] Minovsky Craft System (cost 2)
(There is a 1 hour minimum before voting)
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Class Name: (write in)
[] Light Cruiser (Main Battery slots 3, Secondary slots 6, Auxiliary slots 6)
[] Destroyer (Main Battery slots 1, Secondary slots, 8, Auxiliary slots 3)
Main Battery (options can be picked more than once)
[] Ultra-heavy (cost 3)
[] Super-heavy (cost 2)
[] Heavy (cost 1)
[] Heavy Railgun (cost 2)
[] Heavy Energy (cost 1)
[] Medium (cost 0.5)
[] Medium Railgun (cost 1)
[] Medium Energy (cost 0.5)
Secondaries
[] Medium (cost 2)
[] Medium Energy (cost 2)
[] Light (cost 1)
[] Light Energy (cost 1)
[] Missile (cost 1)
[] Anti-MS guns (cost 1)
[] Anti-Air guns (cost 0.5)
Auxiliary
[] Coms center (cost 2)
[] Hanger (cost 2)
[] Large Hanger (cost 3)
[] Extended Barracks (cost 1)
[] I-field Generator (cost 3)
[] Energy Conversion Armor (cost 2)
[] Minovsky Craft System (cost 2)
(There is a 1 hour minimum before voting)
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Ah I see.
That's... oddly low, considering they have a Gwazine which has 20 MS by itself, and then multiple other ships on top of it, but sure. That's a very top heavy force in terms of Ace Customs: Normal MS.
Well I mean I guess we can afford to throw away a hundred Mobile Suits for every one of theirs, which is good, because that's about the ratio we should be getting.
I mean the only counter to that was someone bringing up like, what was it, 17k warships? Over the entire Universal Century.
A couple hundred ships is fairly well supported by the actual canon, mostly Origin. Although I admit I was IIRC lowballing it when I said the force was only 150 warships by the time of Loum, I think that was just the combined Revil Fleet by itself.
Derek58
Rocket Punch is Best Punch
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Shouldn't be we able to put energy weapons on the main battery now?
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Just fixed it.
Derek58
Rocket Punch is Best Punch
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Ah neat.
What are the differences with railguns compared to beam and energy weapons?
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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Mainly a anti-air/MS build with nice punch.
Variant 1: Hanger plus ES armor with double barracks for really long escort runs.
Variant 2: Hanger plus I-Field for anti-beam packing enemy
Variant 3: Es armor plus I-Field for everything, also got a barrack. No hanger tho.
[] Variant 1
-[]Class Name: Bartok
-[] Light Cruiser (Main Battery slots 3, Secondary slots 6, Auxiliary slots 6)
-[] Heavy Railgun (cost 2)
-[] Medium Energy (cost 0.5) x2
-[] Anti-MS guns (cost 1) x4
-[] Anti-Air guns (cost 0.5) x4
-[] Hanger (cost 2)
-[] Energy Conversion Armor (cost 2)
-[] Extended Barracks (cost 1) x2
[] Variant 2
-[]Class Name: Bartok
-[] Light Cruiser (Main Battery slots 3, Secondary slots 6, Auxiliary slots 6)
-[] Heavy Railgun (cost 2)
-[] Medium Energy (cost 0.5) x2
-[] Anti-MS guns (cost 1) x4
-[] Anti-Air guns (cost 0.5) x4
-[] Hanger (cost 2)
-[] I-field Generator (cost 3)
-[] Extended Barracks (cost 1)
[] Variant 3
-[]Class Name: Bartok
-[] Light Cruiser (Main Battery slots 3, Secondary slots 6, Auxiliary slots 6)
-[] Heavy Railgun (cost 2)
-[] Medium Energy (cost 0.5) x2
-[] Anti-MS guns (cost 1) x4
-[] Anti-Air guns (cost 0.5) x4
-[] Extended Barracks (cost 1)
-[] I-field Generator (cost 3)
-[] Energy Conversion Armor (cost 2)
Variant 1: Hanger plus ES armor with double barracks for really long escort runs.
Variant 2: Hanger plus I-Field for anti-beam packing enemy
Variant 3: Es armor plus I-Field for everything, also got a barrack. No hanger tho.
[] Variant 1
-[]Class Name: Bartok
-[] Light Cruiser (Main Battery slots 3, Secondary slots 6, Auxiliary slots 6)
-[] Heavy Railgun (cost 2)
-[] Medium Energy (cost 0.5) x2
-[] Anti-MS guns (cost 1) x4
-[] Anti-Air guns (cost 0.5) x4
-[] Hanger (cost 2)
-[] Energy Conversion Armor (cost 2)
-[] Extended Barracks (cost 1) x2
[] Variant 2
-[]Class Name: Bartok
-[] Light Cruiser (Main Battery slots 3, Secondary slots 6, Auxiliary slots 6)
-[] Heavy Railgun (cost 2)
-[] Medium Energy (cost 0.5) x2
-[] Anti-MS guns (cost 1) x4
-[] Anti-Air guns (cost 0.5) x4
-[] Hanger (cost 2)
-[] I-field Generator (cost 3)
-[] Extended Barracks (cost 1)
[] Variant 3
-[]Class Name: Bartok
-[] Light Cruiser (Main Battery slots 3, Secondary slots 6, Auxiliary slots 6)
-[] Heavy Railgun (cost 2)
-[] Medium Energy (cost 0.5) x2
-[] Anti-MS guns (cost 1) x4
-[] Anti-Air guns (cost 0.5) x4
-[] Extended Barracks (cost 1)
-[] I-field Generator (cost 3)
-[] Energy Conversion Armor (cost 2)
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Derek58
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I think that swapping out the ECA and the second barracks for an I Field would be a better idea.
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Yeah that was me and that quote was from the wiki. You don't go from 150 or 200 to 17k with 35 fleets in active service at the end without having large numbers of ships already available. And the quote is that during the entire time they had about that many not that the built that many over the time. Like I said production was already increased prior to the OYW and it was tripled by our actions. We were building at least 1 new carrier a month before and several of the New Nova classes a month before the increase. You have been trying to make True Zeon as a world-ending threat when they are not. They are a danger but one that can be dealt with. We simply rolled bad and so did Zeon. Now that we know what they have and both task forces are properly informed, the moles have been captured and our spy core is stronger than ever they are losing what makes them so dangerous. Like I said the moment they try to us the nukes they get carpet bombed by our own and no one will say anything. It is called appropriate retaliation you use WMDs you die.