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We Stand Against the Stars (Gundam/Macross)

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The GM Custom is the one stated to be on par with Gundam-esque in terms of performance, and it is a firmly post OYW machine. GM Type C (Aka GM Kai) is the one we currently have that would had seen first combat in late December of the OYW.

GM Command is another variant that saw combat ealier, during siege of Solomon. Not as tough as Kai but isn't a push over either.
 
Derek58 said:
Oh nice, I didn't realize that our GM was that far along :)
Though it was more like the original GM in capabilities.
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Thanks, possibly genocidal space alien! :V

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The performance of MS and date they entered combat had underwent several retcons over the years. So side by side comparison really depends on source material. (And i can't just screenshot stats off of the PSP Ghrien's greed game cause i'm not home for a week.)

Edit: Yes i was really into it and even brought the game strategy in moonspeak. :V Going by memory the overall stat of earlier machine got toned down to add ZZ and Char's counter attack era machine.
 
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Adventwolf said:
They only advantage the Gundam had over other MS was its higher generator out put, its core blackship, learning computer all of which make it extremely expensive. We can make a MS with similar performance without those expensive components.
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Which is why I want to give it just to our aces, likely with the Special production type.
[] Special (2000 points)
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Derek58 said:
Right now, sure. But that could easily be much different by the time we finish the action chain to unlock MP Gundams.
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Yeah I doubt we will have 4000 points worth of equipment even then. Also remember that each level up decreases the number that can be built and maintained. Mass is thousands of machines built, limited is hundreds, and special is double digits at best. There is a reason a special is 2000 because that is about the max points of stuff we have. Only the most expensive and experimental equipment would get us close to a 4000 point limit.
 
The focus is on weapons, ships, and being hard & fair to Zeon. Also waking up the alien.

[x] Plan: More and better ships
-[x] Sway the neutral Sides- Exactly what it says on the tin. (DC varies)
-[x] Demand a public explanation from Zeon- Zeon vastly undersold the threat of 'True Zeon', its time for them to answer why (DC??)
-[x] Refit old ships- Our older vessels are now hopelessly out of date, with a minor refit we can at least install ECA
-[x] Convoy escorts- Our supply-lines are in danger we have to do something! (DC Medium 28% complete)
-[x] Replacement escorts- The Salamis are inadequate for the role, a new design is needed (Leads to mini vote)
-[x] Counter Ops- What it says on the tin. (DC??)
-[x][Tick Over] Fleet Tactics- If we are to fight an unknown threat we well need better fleet communication. (DC?? 80% Complete)(Tick over Action- when an action is at 80%or more it can be taken again for free, however you only use one Tick over Action a turn)
-[x] Beam weapon miniaturization- We don't know how strong the aliens' armor will be, MS sized Beam Weapons are a must. (DC??)
-[x] Alien on Ice- well we're not sure if this is a good idea, the alien could have valuable Intel (DC ??) (Free Action)
-[x] Study the weapons (DC??) 10%
--[x] Both
-[x] Ask to be a part of it and found our own
-[x] Try to get to get to know them better
--[x] Shin
 
[X] Plan Answers and reactions

Political Actions (Pick up to 2)
-[X] Sway the neutral Sides- (DC varies)
-[X] Demand a public explanation from Zeon- Zeon vastly undersold the threat of 'True Zeon', its time for them to answer why (DC??)

Military Actions (pick up to 2)
-[X] Convoy escorts- (DC Medium 28% complete)
-[X] Replacement escorts- (Leads to mini vote)

"Diplomacy" Actions (pick up to one) + (1 Any Action)
-[X] Further reinforce the Spy Core- (DC??)
-[X] Counter Ops- (DC??)

Research Actions (Pick up to 1)
-[X] Fleet Tactics- (DC?? 80% complete) Tick over Action
-[X] Beam weapon miniaturization- (DC??)
-[X] Alien on Ice- (DC ??) (Free Action)

Alien Ship Actions (pick one)
-[X] Study the weapons (DC??) 10%
--[X] Add Zeon Team

Special Actions (must pick one and only one)
Zeon has established an organization to study what are known as 'newtypes'. What is our response?
-[X] Ask to be a part of it and found our own

Personal Actions (pick one)
-[X] Train a skill
--[X] shooting

This plan is about reactions mostly. The sides were barely a fail and if we keep moving with them it should be possible to sway them. While the loss we took hurts the fact that we are both demanding an explanation for the omission but still willing to work with Zeon shows we are not unreasonable and that we are determined to maintain the peace but will not roll over when attacked or threatened.

Military while I would like the refit getting both the escorts finished up and making a new cruiser for that job is a better use especially because like I said the last turn we need to double down on intrigue this turn.

Intrigue we need to find True Zeon again and take them down and we need to improve our spy core I would have liked to do counter ops and the reinforcement but the last turn shot that plan down.

For research, we have the Tick over, the free, and the beam. The first two are pretty obvious we don't need to spend an action point on them and the Alien is now viable to talk to. The Beam is the next step in the path to new power and weapons for all of our forces. We don't need the medical equipment just yet.

For the ship basically the same as above it is the next most important thing. With both of us working it is most important to finish in time.

For the Newtype research asking to be a part of it is guaranteed to pass. Zeon has received a lot of help from us and we have been siding with them on a lot of things. They also need to give us something because of their omissions. Making our own competing program will just be a redundant waste of resources that can be better spent on a single program to advance the field better than two programs working separately and against each other. The two would end up researching the same things wasting and effort.

We need to keep trying to get our shooting skills up we failed the last turn so we need to try again this turn.

Edit: Switched to counter ops and join and found our own program, The counter is to keep us safe from True Zeon attacks and to make ourselves ready for next turn to find and crush them. The special is changed so long as the two programs actually talk to each other and don't waste time working on the same things aside from ground work RnD.
 
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Adventwolf said:
For the Newtype research asking to be a part of it is guaranteed to pass. Zeon has received a lot of help from us and we have been siding with them on a lot of things. They also need to give us something because of their omissions. Making our own competing program will just be a redundant waste of resources that can be better spent on a single program to advance the field better than two programs working separately and against each other. The two would end up researching the same things wasting and effort.
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Not quite, Zeon developed psycomuu system and Federation developed systems that allowed newtype's level of performance. It is akin to sides of a coin or different colored light from a diamond.

I prefer some interaction with our squad mate, especially the one with excellent skills.
 
VoidZero said:
Not quite, Zeon developed psycomuu system and Federation developed systems that allowed newtype's level of performance. It is akin to sides of a coin or different colored light from a diamond.

I prefer some interaction with our squad mate, especially the one with excellent skills.
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Both can be completed by working together because a lot of the research overlaps. By working on the same program we can better prioritize the RnD being done.
 
[x] Plan: More and better ships

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I wonder would it be possible to make a cheap unmanned version of the Ball to support GM's kind of like wingmen. The Ball was ludicrously cheap and easy to build. It could bulk out our forces. If we ever get into a conflict and need more forces quickly.

Not really useful or practical though. It's late and I think my posts are showing it.
 
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[X] Plan Learn from failure

Political Actions (Pick up to 2)
-[X] Sway the neutral Sides- (DC varies)
-[X] Demand a public explanation from Zeon- Zeon vastly undersold the threat of 'True Zeon', its time for them to answer why (DC??)

Military Actions (pick up to 2)
-[X] Convoy escorts- (DC Medium 28% complete)
-[X] Replacement escorts- (Leads to mini vote)

"Diplomacy" Actions (pick up to one) + (1 Any Action)
-[X] Further reinforce the Spy Core- (DC??)
-[X] Counter Ops- What it says on the tin. (DC??)

I'd like to wait a turn on going after True Zeon again, so that we hopefully know exactly what they stole from Zeon, and all our MSes have beam rifles.

Research Actions (Pick up to 1)
-[X] Fleet Tactics- (DC?? 80% complete) Tick over Action
-[X] Beam weapon miniaturization- (DC??)
-[X] Alien on Ice- (DC ??) (Free Action)

Alien Ship Actions (pick one)
-[X] Study the weapons (DC??) 10%
--[X] Add Zeon Team

Special Actions (must pick one and only one)
Zeon has established an organization to study what are known as 'newtypes'. What is our response?
-[x] Ask to be a part of it and found our own

Personal Actions (pick one)
-[X] Try to get to get to know them better
--[X] Gamilin Kizaki

I'd like to get to know our squad better, starting with the newbie.
 
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Adventwolf said:
Both can be completed by working together because a lot of the research overlaps. By working on the same program we can better prioritize the RnD being done.
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I don't believe that is the case, assuming we are contributing research team in the same manner as Zeon did on the Marcoss; then they will be the one dedicating the research path. The Federation is never short of resources really.
 
VoidZero said:
I don't believe that is the case, assuming we are contributing research team in the same manner as Zeon did on the Marcoss; then they will be the one dedicating the research path. The Federation is never short of resources really.
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Just because we are not short on resources doesn't mean we should use those resources going over the same things that Zeon is already working on.
 
VoidZero said:
I don't believe that is the case, assuming we are contributing research team in the same manner as Zeon did on the Marcoss; then they will be the one dedicating the research path. The Federation is never short of resources really.
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Good point, changing my vote for that.

Adventwolf said:
Just because we are not short on resources doesn't mean we should use those resources going over the same things that Zeon is already working on.
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That's not a sure thing, we could just as easily end up working on different research, and benefit more from sharing it with whatever Zeon works on.
 
You know what fine that is a decent point. As long as both sides are sharing what they are working on then we can avoid overlap and wasting resources. Though with this it is likely that we will need to allow Zeon teams in on our research team as well. Also dropping the search for True Zeon for counter ops instead.
 
Adventwolf said:
Just because we are not short on resources doesn't mean we should use those resources going over the same things that Zeon is already working on.
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Again the research into newtype are radically different between Zeon and Federation. Simply take a look at G3/Alex and Braw Bro/Elmeth, entirely different interpretation of the same newtype phenomenon. I assure you we will not be able to produce any ture newtype MS without both lines of research.

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VoidZero said:
Again the research into newtype are radically different between Zeon and Federation. Simply take a look at G3/Alex and Braw Bro/Elmeth, entirely different interpenetration of the same newtype phenomenon. I assure you we will not be able to produce any ture newtype MS without both lines of research.
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Already switched and that was because they were at war and not talking to each other at all. With no war and "decent" relations a lot of overlap is going to happen.
 
[X] Plan Answers and reactions

I don't have any issue with waiting on interacting with our team.
 
Adventwolf said:
Already switched and that was because they were at war and not talking to each other at all. With no war and "decent" relations a lot of overlap is going to happen.
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That is the aim, assuming dice didn't decide to be funny. Overlap is happening with the Marcross research at least, we can hope the same for newtype phenomenon research.
 
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