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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Rafin said:
No. I's still crackpot, because the majority of scholars are in consensus that it is. There's more clergy than wizards and clergy is more trusted by the mainstream populace than wizards. Evidence matters less.
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That is not how science works. Science is evidence-based, not consensus-based. Consensus is only somewhat useful when evidence is ambiguous.
 
Andmeuths said:
And yet, as votes stands, the Gold College is possibly going to creep into Mathilde's recommendations, it's got a very strong lead over Jade, and I'm curious to know why.
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Because this are the choices we're going to present to Wilhelmina. My own resoning was:
Wizard - she is who she is, we should not ignore it or fight it even if itthrows a wrench in your plans
- Let Eike decide - the girl can and should choose on her own College but,
- Gold - if you really want her to be the stewardship magnate heir of yours, you should put her with the Golds,
- Grey - but personally, I'd love to see her with the Greys, it worked great for me.
 
storryeater said:
Yeah, but that doesn't make a true but unaccepted theory a crackpot theory, it makes it a theory that is true but denied, just like washing one's hand before surgery was.

Crackpot implies insanity, wrongness, throw stuff and see what sticks.
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We have no idea if Teclis' theory is true. Teclis' theories are not always rule of law, just look at Elementalists and Mathilde's Windherder, in which both cases they defy Teclisean theories. Nobody is willing to test the theory but we sure don't know if it is a "true but denied" one either.
 
Codex said:
We have no idea if Teclis' theory is true. Teclis' theories are not always rule of law, just look at Elementalists and Mathilde's Windherder, in which both cases they defy Teclisean theories. Nobody is willing to test the theory but we sure don't know if it is a "true but denied" one either.
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Aye dude, I agree with that, my original post a few replies upwards was mainly disagreeing with the "evidence matters less" bit.
 
storryeater said:
Yeah, but that doesn't make a true but unaccepted theory a crackpot theory, it makes it a theory that is true but denied, just like washing one's hand before surgery was.

Crackpot implies insanity, wrongness, throw stuff and see what sticks.
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Actually Non consensus theorys are generally considered crackpot Until Proven otherwise again and again.

Then they become the consensus... until a new crackpot theory comes around.

(your objectively correct, but even scholars and academics, even today, subconsciously believe in consensus over new evidence based stuff. E.g the amount of legitimate experts that though the blackbird wind car was a fake even though the math checked out.)

and this is a time before black swain theory, let' alone before the academic abandonment of observationlism.
 
So I've been wondering Tongs clearly won't work atleast not if we're not basically so fucked the articles don't matter.

But Windherder our incredibly advanced Windsight and Ulgus ability to repel other winds seems like they might allow some interesting things.

I get that Boney said its not possible to have any semblance of fine control with the whole repulsion thing but I feel like as part of some larger multiwind ritual with wizards from multiple colleges it might achieve something. Even if its basically funneling winds to the appropriate place for the wizards who use said winds to do their thing.
 
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Huh. You know what's sad? The section of our magic skills in the character sheet that has to do with Dhar and its manipulation is literally bigger than all the rest. That's kinda crazy. But hey, maybe it will come in really useful when trying to work with Waystones, especially since—as I understand it—a large part of their function is purifying Dhar, or at least getting rid of it.

Seriously though, Mathilde would make an abso-fucking-lutely terrifying Black Magister. Especially if—feeling freed from the Articles—she decided to go ahead and pursue the illegal Tongs idea. With how negligible the amount of Dhar created was describe to be, the Belt could probably even make it actually a neutral process by the end. Still horribly illegal, but at least it's environmentally friendly!

Man, now I kinda want to read an omake or spin-off series where we had to go Black Magister.
 
Ericwinter said:
Huh. You know what's sad? The section of our magic skills in the character sheet that has to do with Dhar and its manipulation is literally bigger than all the rest. That's kinda crazy. But hey, maybe it will come in really useful when trying to work with Waystones, especially since—as I understand it—a large part of their function is purifying Dhar, or at least getting rid of it.

Seriously though, Mathilde would make an abso-fucking-lutely terrifying Black Magister. Especially if—feeling freed from the Articles—she decided to go ahead and pursue the illegal Tongs idea. With how negligible the amount of Dhar created was describe to be, the Belt could probably even make it actually a neutral process by the end. Still horribly illegal, but at least it's environmentally friendly!

Man, now I kinda want to read an omake or spin-off series where we had to go Black Magister.
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I would totally write this if I didn't get crippling anxiety whilst trying to write updates that leave me deleting everything and starting over repeatedly to the point where I get literally nothing done. Sounds like it could be really fun to write.
 
Ericwinter said:
Huh. You know what's sad? The section of our magic skills in the character sheet that has to do with Dhar and its manipulation is literally bigger than all the rest. That's kinda crazy. But hey, maybe it will come in really useful when trying to work with Waystones, especially since—as I understand it—a large part of their function is purifying Dhar, or at least getting rid of it.

Seriously though, Mathilde would make an abso-fucking-lutely terrifying Black Magister. Especially if—feeling freed from the Articles—she decided to go ahead and pursue the illegal Tongs idea. With how negligible the amount of Dhar created was describe to be, the Belt could probably even make it actually a neutral process by the end. Still horribly illegal, but at least it's environmentally friendly!

Man, now I kinda want to read an omake or spin-off series where we had to go Black Magister.
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You know, Karag Dum is right there if we need a base of operations with a population understanding of having to take extreme measures for The Greater Good(The Greater Good)...
 
SuperSonicSound said:
I would totally write this if I didn't get crippling anxiety whilst trying to write updates that leave me deleting everything and starting over repeatedly to the point where I get literally nothing done. Sounds like it could be really fun to write.
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I don't know if it would help, but there are some writing programs where you can set it to not delete anything. It's apparently not so uncommon a problem.
 
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storryeater said:
That is not how science works. Science is evidence-based, not consensus-based. Consensus is only somewhat useful when evidence is ambiguous.
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I think you're bait-and-switching on what is meant by "science". The thing that the people with degrees are doing in academic buildings is very much consensus-based. Peer review is a consensus check. What counts as evidence is a matter of consensus. (p-hacking and 0.05, anyone?)
 
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