- Location
- Netherlands
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I'd personally wager that Heidi is loyal first to her son, second to Ranald, third to herself, and fourth to the Empire.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Location
- Manchester, UK
- Pronouns
- He/They
We're in a position of power over both Wilhelmina (we have control over Anton if we so choose, and combined that's a controlling interest) and Heidi (we know her secret and can easily have her killed).
It really feels like you're stretching to come up with a sexist explanation for the thread recognising the character flaws of Wilhelmina (controlling) and Heidi (deceitful) while ignoring the equally present recognition of the character flaws of Johann (reckless), Anton (spineless), Belegar (depressed and spite-filled), etc. etc.
We can treat people as friends and still recognise their flaws - no-one was treating Wilhelmina as unworthy to be a friend when they expressed concern for Eike.
- Location
- Chicago
- Pronouns
- She/They
That is my entire point. The thread seems to diverge from Mathilde- more with Wilhelmina than Heidi, but in both cases the negatives are the focus and the relationships are discussed as if they were strictly arms-length and transactional.
They are at very least our close, trusted allies, and should get that benefit of the doubt.
I do appreciate the rest of the Heidi fan club coming out in support though!
- Location
- Outside the Box
- Pronouns
- She/Her
To reuse an old comment, Heidi is a cat:
NeonLights
Formerly Reliable_2IC
- Location
- In shambles
I fully trust Heidi with her position and our friendship. She's handling her position with aptitude, and is much better than the last holder of the office. She's pleasant company and we share a lot of values. I'd trust her with Mathilde's life, just not with snacks or my wallet.
It ended up back at Ranald because people were using Heidi's faith as a point in her moral favor and an argument that she would not screw over the innocent. I just felt the need to point out that just because someone is Ranaldite, they are not necessarily moral, as his followers range from liberators of the oppressed to assholes robbing innocent people blind.
- Location
- France
@DragonParadox is 100% correct. Heidi is more of a fun contact and accomplice that we meet for an afternoon every few years than a friend, IMO, and the way she lies about herself to her husband is deeply fucked up - especially as he seems to genuinely respect/love her while she's lied to him about her entire life and probably even her name.
- Location
- Manchester, UK
- Pronouns
- He/They
Heidi resembles Ranald incredibly closely in terms of displayed personality - albeit as you point out she's rather more self-effacing than he is.
I would not be surprised if that's partly down to divine marks, but equally it may just be the reason that Heidi is such a successful priest was a meshing of her natural personality with his.
Given how well Mathilde gets on with Ranald it should be no surprise that when they find time for each other Mathilde and Heidi have a good relationship.
People who are nominally members of a faith and divine channelers follow different rules. Divine channellers have to keep the god at least somewhat happy with them or their spells stop working - betraying Mathilde, a fellow Ranaldite, would directly weaken Heidi's ability to use magic.
Definitely lied to him about her birth name - she's not a Haupt-Anderson. But someone's name is ultimately unimportant - it's just a label that is used to refer to them. Plenty of people change their name for far pettier reasons than making a mockery of the unjust system of nobility.
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- Location
- Russia
No, it averages to 99. You can get less, but you can also get more. Expected number of tries to generate an event with a probability of 1/x is x (it isn't hard to demonstrate:
E=(1/x)*1+(1-1/x)*(E+1) => E*x=1+E*x-E+x-1 => E=x) which gives you 99 kittens for 1 destroyed city.
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- Location
- somewhere over there.
- Pronouns
- They/It
[x] Wizard
-[x] The Golden Order
-[x] The Grey Order
-[x] The Golden Order
-[x] The Grey Order
The thing is, she's still going to have to work around those expectations as a gold, or as a Shallyan, or if she gets the dampeners. Matty all but said to Wilhelmina's face "if you go too far with the EIC, I or someone like me will kill you. This is your one warning." Eike will be under those restrictions as well, since the EIC has become relevant to the security and stability of an entire province. Two, if you count Sylvania as separate and a province. And they're quickly gaining a reputation of "pretty alright for human traders" among the dwarves. Eike being a grey means that she gets to see why she and her grandmother are under a sword of damocles, gets to personally decide what "for the good of the empire" means, and as the apprentice to a Lady Magister probably gets more leeway in what she does under the assumption that it's either a plot by Matty or at least approved by her. What she looses is the right to amass personal wealth and luxury without being able to justify it as tangentially useful to the empire.
Life protip: you can get more kittens if you keep pushing the button even after the city is destroyed.
- Location
- France
I'd be amazed if her name was Heidi. I'd be amazed if anything about her "life" was true.
Imagine marrying someone and only later learning that while you've trusted them and confided in them, they lied to you about event the pettiest details of their past? For no reason other than the power and money that came from marrying you?
- Location
- being near locations is my passion.
I am surprised and a bit confused about how ok I am with this particular con of Heidi's. I dislike her on a personal level because of her general methods, but due to her current position and goals I'm not opposed to her.
Normally I have a preference for honesty but regarding her marrige... meh.
We all wear masks to differing degrees throughout our days.
Thinking about it, the name and bloodline are nobilty nonsense. It's not 'idgaf' - I do care a bit. I'm pleased for her that she is enjoying the pleasures of an opressive system in a way that has mostly put the cost of her deception onto the house that an alternative Empress would have come from - she is probably not causing the system she beneftis from to transfer *more* power from those below her imo, just taking some noble's place *in* said system.
Bit sad, unethical and is unhealthy for their relationship that she is deciving her husband, but that aspect is just part of my "Heidi is a great character, but shitty person.
I don't like this. There's watermelons in cities and I don't want them to be taken by the angels.
@The3rdCorinthian can we build a fake city with no watermelons in it and press the button for it, in order to get kittens?
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Tasoli
Life is for Living
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- Behind the Keyboard.
So avarage political marrige in medieval times?
... I found the chaos cultist.
- Location
- Czech Republic
The thing is that this is not really political marriage from the emperor's perspective.
NeonLights
Formerly Reliable_2IC
- Location
- In shambles
The EIC has more to gain from improving the system than breaking it. It is the system in some places. Have a little faith that the organization we've worked to make trustworthy will remain trustworthy. What's with everyone being paranoid as well as being primed to hop straight to capital sentencing, and being ready to rip down everything at the slightest provocation anyways? Seems a little heavy handed.
And it's not about her having money. It's about making it the transition into being an heir and a wizard as smooth as possible, as well as making it easier to fit in. For all that Mathilde made it look easy, the duties of the Grey Order are heavier than those of most other Colleges.
- Location
- England, unfortunately.
- Pronouns
- She/They
Don't worry, he destroyed the city he was inside already
Also guys this is way off topic, lets stop getting kittens now, tis a silly derail.
You can't prove nothing.
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- [REDACTED]
[X] Wizard
-[X] Let Eike decide
-[X] The Golden Order
-[X] Let Eike decide
-[X] The Golden Order
- Location
- Argentina
I think I'd find the outcome "I'd recommend the Grey Order, but truly Eike should make a decision on her own to prevent wasted time in the wrong college" to be the ideal outcome, and that is how the voters are voting right now.
- Location
- Wherever I feel like being
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Double negative! He's a Chaos plant!
- Location
- Manchester, UK
- Pronouns
- He/They
Heidi is far too competent a liar to lie about the "pettiest details of her past". She'll have been entirely honest about many things if only because it's far easier to remember a story from your childhood and then replace the names of your parents than it is to remember the story you made up six months ago that never actually happened.
And beyond that - why would she want to keep secrets that she doesn't have to from the man who will be her partner for the next 10+ years?
She's not a compulsive liar. I've known compulsive liars, they'd make terrible con artists because they lie about everything and therefore can't keep their story straight.
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Pretty much, that's how I voted too. I think we should also bring up clergy as a possible option, but I can understand why people don't.