Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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The collaboration plan is too, vague, for me, and does very little we could not do on our own anyway without a willing runesmith.
It will help waystone project, but i doubt it will outlive it, and feels way too reliant on Mathilde being there to provide dwarf good will and windherder.
I want a research branch that can exist independent of us once waystone project is done and we want to move on, something we can hand off to another once branch has proven itself.
It will help waystone project, but i doubt it will outlive it, and feels way too reliant on Mathilde being there to provide dwarf good will and windherder.
I want a research branch that can exist independent of us once waystone project is done and we want to move on, something we can hand off to another once branch has proven itself.
Eh, fair enough changing back. Unless someone can tell me where all the AP is supposed to be coming from for this collaboration.
[X] Plan: Research, References, and A Sweet Ride
[X] Plan: Research, References, and A Sweet Ride
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Ehm, yes, just look at a tree and you'll find out it happens quite often, its...
...Oh, nevermind, research branch, not tree branch.
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K von Carstein
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The problem I have with Research and Reference is the fact that the library will not be as widely accessible as the one from Collaboration, and personally I find that more important than the branch College.
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The library won't be as widely accessible only if we choose not to get involved in it.
And how much more restricted would be is debatable, i'm sure it would be, just the amount is uncertain.
Safely studied by residents and guests of the Karak, i would argue that this is as accessible as it need be, if they are allowind in K8P, they can use the library, if not, then not.
Not a fan of mention about guild secrets, i kinda like having that to make sure dwarven guilds don't get worried (and if a guild wants to declare something not a secret, they can).
And i guess i am kinda tuned of by the flowery language, the other charter has much more short and to the point feel to it.
Karak Eight Peaks: To the degree it safely and sustainably can, let K8P gather, preserve, and disseminate knowledge to all goodly folk. Let the tool of this boon be a library and all the books that might be gathered to it, watched over by those of any race who would swear and be accepted as librarians.
Karak Eight Peaks: Build a Great Library to collect writings from all over the world, where they can be safely studied by residents and guests of the Karak, subject to Guild restrictions (but don't break the Karak to do it, please)
And how much more restricted would be is debatable, i'm sure it would be, just the amount is uncertain.
Safely studied by residents and guests of the Karak, i would argue that this is as accessible as it need be, if they are allowind in K8P, they can use the library, if not, then not.
Not a fan of mention about guild secrets, i kinda like having that to make sure dwarven guilds don't get worried (and if a guild wants to declare something not a secret, they can).
And i guess i am kinda tuned of by the flowery language, the other charter has much more short and to the point feel to it.
Karak Eight Peaks: To the degree it safely and sustainably can, let K8P gather, preserve, and disseminate knowledge to all goodly folk. Let the tool of this boon be a library and all the books that might be gathered to it, watched over by those of any race who would swear and be accepted as librarians.
Karak Eight Peaks: Build a Great Library to collect writings from all over the world, where they can be safely studied by residents and guests of the Karak, subject to Guild restrictions (but don't break the Karak to do it, please)
The question though is available for what?I mean we already have a lot of locked AP from everything from our job to the EIC. The College branch has gone from something to help lift that burden to something that adds to it.
On second thought after reading through more posts the College might not be what I actually wanted to vote for.
As such Weber University, it's like a College but better. Also I understand the contents of the vote.
[X] Plan: Weber University
-[X] Branch College
--[X] Headquarters: Karag Nar
--[X] Charter: Research & Development in association with K8P University. Focus is Mathilde's research (waystones, curios, sevirscope project, etc.)
--[X] Colleges (all)
-[X] Karak Eight Peaks: University with big library.
-[X] Karak Kadrin Engineers Guild: A gyrocarriage
[X] Plan: Research, References, and A Sweet Ride
As such Weber University, it's like a College but better. Also I understand the contents of the vote.
[X] Plan: Weber University
-[X] Branch College
--[X] Headquarters: Karag Nar
--[X] Charter: Research & Development in association with K8P University. Focus is Mathilde's research (waystones, curios, sevirscope project, etc.)
--[X] Colleges (all)
-[X] Karak Eight Peaks: University with big library.
-[X] Karak Kadrin Engineers Guild: A gyrocarriage
[X] Plan: Research, References, and A Sweet Ride
Ultimately, I like the idea of 'Mathy's artefact and enchanting college more then collaborative college.
it feels more... soild? Something that feels like it could be a thing in setting and that could last after mathy.
the collaborative college feels more like something that will fall apart without mathy or someone coming along with similar abilities and connections.
it feels more... soild? Something that feels like it could be a thing in setting and that could last after mathy.
the collaborative college feels more like something that will fall apart without mathy or someone coming along with similar abilities and connections.
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I think the idea is that people who work there will develop those necessary connections and be able to maintain them without our personal intervention.
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Mathilde was declared a dwarf to avoid species wide bluescreen of death over how much dwarves like Mathilde, and even she can't just pull rune secrets out of the runesmiths easily, if at all, nobody is going to develope that kind of connections by working in a research center that already requires Mathilde existing to be possible.
Or if they were, i'm pretty sure waystone project would be enough to create those.
The cooperation plan feels like it kneecaps the research branch long term to get some human librarians (that i think we could get anyway if we just get directly involved with the library).
Or if they were, i'm pretty sure waystone project would be enough to create those.
The cooperation plan feels like it kneecaps the research branch long term to get some human librarians (that i think we could get anyway if we just get directly involved with the library).
But will they have windherder: because it feels like a lot of the plans expect someone to have it for a similar ability to keep the dhar away.
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Not just windherder but also the belt, you know the one that only Kragg the Grim could make and that he only made because he was close at hand to apply an axe to the neck of the misbehaving wizard.
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Even bigger issue is that i doubt lot of runemisths will be willing to cooperate with wizards outside very specific projects without someone like Mathilde being there to reassur them wizards are not trying to steal their secrets (if even then).
And i doubt Ice Witches or Damsels, or Eonir wizards, are going to want to wander to K8P for some jolly cooperation.
I like the goal, i just have some very strong doubts about the viability of the path taken.
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Could someone explain to me how collaboration doesn't help with research, when we've done multiple collaborative research actions with other wizards? Like, at least four pure research actions with three wizards of different colleges off the top of my head.
This seems to be an unwarranted panic attack.
This seems to be an unwarranted panic attack.
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you can collaborate in the enchanting college.
you have to collaborate in the collaboration collage.
I just don't want it to be the focus.
you can collaborate in the enchanting college.
you have to collaborate in the collaboration collage.
Looking again at the top two votes, and I'm really torn between "collage of multidisciplinary studies" and "collage of natural philosophy and enchanted artefacts".
Honestly, I don't have a super strong opinion on this vote, and there are merits to both. One focuses on methods of research, on focuses on topics of research. Both are useful and tie into both our backlog and the waystones.
I'm going to approval vote both like a coward. Maybe I'll change my mind and pick one before Boney closes the vote.
[X] Plan: Research, References, and A Sweet Ride
[X] Plan: Cleaned Up College of Collaboration
Honestly, I don't have a super strong opinion on this vote, and there are merits to both. One focuses on methods of research, on focuses on topics of research. Both are useful and tie into both our backlog and the waystones.
I'm going to approval vote both like a coward. Maybe I'll change my mind and pick one before Boney closes the vote.
[X] Plan: Research, References, and A Sweet Ride
[X] Plan: Cleaned Up College of Collaboration
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Nobody is saying that cooperation does not help, we are talking about a specific plan.
1. Charter: Research: Studies involving collaboration between the Colleges of Magic, and between the Colleges and divine miracle-workers, with a particular focus on working with Runesmiths.
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2. Charter: Research (multi-wind studies (including waystones), geological, metallurgical, and ecological studies, enchanting and artifice)
Charter 1 is very focused on cooperation, to a point where it actually detracts from research, and may require Mathilde to be there to provide either a rep bonus for Runesmiths, or wind herder trait.
While Charter 2 is less focused on cooperation, but does have it included as inter collegiate thing, and especially waystones, but has research areas that do not require Mathilde to be worked on the long term.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
There's no actual research focus beyond collaboration, which means effectively that outside of projects that are 100% about collaboration are off the table. Most of our backlog is not about collaborative research. Only windherding is specifically about that. AV might have a single action that has potential with this, for something that was originally envisaged about giving us research paths for our backlog that's not great. I'm happy with wind herding getting a focus but that's part of the other proposals as well.