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[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks

To the surprise of nobody.

[X] The Waystone Project

Because it actually has a chance of winning.

I'll also definitely be voting for Sinecure when that option comes up.

I've no interest in getting caught up in a bunch of courtly politics, and especially no interest in getting tied more closely to the Empire, which rather neatly cuts out almost all the other options. The ones I'm most against remain Swamp Town and tutor. I've actually grown to be more against tutor over time, as it feels like an immense step down and a waste of Mathilde's talents and a pure political power grab on top of that.


Damnit, I love Pan, but there's so much chemistry here.

Don't see it.

As to the idea of children- generally uninterested in the concept. If it must happen, I'll be advocating for adoption. There are likely many, many orphans around and I don't see the point in insisting on the 'natural' way in the face of that.
 
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Not to get too much into the mechanics of it all, but it doesn't take too much climbing of biology's tech tree to know what substance you need to put in which orifice. Going through the motions of the traditional application process is optional.
I know that Mathilde and the vast majority of educated folk in the Empire would understand the technical idea behind it. And that plenty of folk probably use it during animal breeding. I was more asking about how much Mathilde and the people around her would find it normal, acceptable, or even thinkable. Also, if one wants to do it the non-traditional method it isn't actually all that simple. One has to get the substance fresh or prepare, store and re-prepare it appropriately. One has to insert it correctly so that it reaches its proper destination. One has to do things to increase the likelihood of successful fertilization so that one doesn't have to go through this whole process quite as often. And one has to be aware of the normal failure rate so that one doesn't immediately think that things are being done incorrectly.

I mean, yes, Mathilde has a high Learning stat and an extensive collection of books both on humanoid anatomy and on canines (which definitely includes breeding), but has she, for instance, ever even read about how one would go about "procuring" the necessary substance from a male human outside of maybe her most raunchy Imperial, Bretonnian and Druchii romance novels (and I don't even want to imagine what the last category says on the subject)?

So yes, if Mathilde wanted to have a child with Panoramia, all that would be involved is asking her about the how and not running out of the room. But when it comes to Mathilde doing it on her own without girding herself,studying up in more obscure texts and maybe even some highly embarrassing practical research, I am quite skeptical. At least if there aren't any setting or lore reasons for this kind of information to be more widely disseminated (no pun intended) than expected.

Mathilde is not something of a Skaven expert, we are likely The Skaven expert for the empire, we cracked their language we have insight from both an insider, a long term war against them and commanding forces against them, someone else might be able to help, but again, when it comes to a major empire city i think sending the best person available is the way to go.
There's probably quite a few people who have more knowledge and insight than us when it comes to the actions Skaven tend to take in the Empire and the ways they tend to use to contact and corrupt Empire citizen. In the Karaz Ankor the Skaven do no more than attack, raid, sabotage, scout and surveil. Among each other they can act to the full extent allowed by Skaven amoral society. Non-violent Skaven/Human interaction is something Mathilde only knows what she read in her extensive and esoteric Imperial and extensive Bretonnian book collection.
It one-night-stand style
What?
I think 'Waystone' is so strong because its something we have wanted to do for a long time.

But I'm not confident that is going to be super dynamic as the main job like most of the other jobs.

e.g

Vampires Are Invading!

Skaven has been spotted in the pantry!

the lizardman are probing are defences.

Border princes... just the border princes politics, they shift like the sand.

etc, etc,

I think I'm going back to my old argument: the quest is best when there is an opponent (or six) rolling their own actions in the background.

I'm not Seeing how the waystone project will have any of that, A bit of keeping the runesmiths and elf mages from skinning each other, but not an enemy trying to beat you to the punch or sabotage you...

maybe Beastmen? fucking up waystones is as much their things as setting up hordstones.
First thing I thought of is that we'd have to go first on an information finding mission to find out what the Jade College wants as much as the Gold College wanted that Skaven tech, then on a quest to procure said thing for them in exchange for full disclosure on their Waystone lore. Then there's mapping out Waystones throughout the Empire and maybe at some point learning how to reactivate disabled ones. But yeah, I get where you're coming from.
 
Don't they have a ton of fertility magic ? You probably don't need to spend weeks on IVF guidelines when you can literally wave a magic wand or have a priest pray about it.

[x] Spymaster of Wissenland
[x] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Governor-General of Swamp Town

Nice mix of adventure , shenanigans and serious career options.

Really tempted by research sabbatical too, but I don't think Mathilde is the kind of wizard who would be content to disappear up a tower for a couple years when there's so much work to be done. Waystones sound like one of the ultimate end goals of magic, so I suspect she doesn't have the resources or connections to make a real go of it yet.
 
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This is a fair point. But it's also not quite true: several of the possibe options here absolutely won't be saving lives, except in the general "contributes to society and thus saves people indirectly" sense. See Waystone Research, being a tutor and bodyguard to a well-defended Emperor's heir...

Waystone research can be argued to be extremely anti chaos in its result, making the world stronger and more well defended with every success. The Waystones were system created to keep chaos on hold.

Being a good influence to an Emperor's heir can create a more moral, more competent and wiser EC/Emperor in the future, meaning a better world for everyone under him. And Mathilde can at the very least definitely make him more competent, she has the scores to tuttor. It may lso indirectly save wizard lives by making them more mainstream, and it allows herself to get involved in court politics which, while unpleasant, decide the fate of the Empire.
 
I see quite a few people voting exclusively for [] Waystone Project. I find that rather curious. I mean I completely get definitely wanting that job and no other, but not even wanting the juicy information or enjoyable scenes we would get if Mathilde goes and looks into what the other jobs are even about? I don't get that.
 
I think 'Waystone' is so strong because its something we have wanted to do for a long time.

But I'm not confident that is going to be super dynamic as the main job like most of the other jobs.

e.g

Vampires Are Invading!

Skaven has been spotted in the pantry!

the lizardman are probing are defences.

Border princes... just the border princes politics, they shift like the sand.

etc, etc,

I think I'm going back to my old argument: the quest is best when there is an opponent (or six) rolling their own actions in the background.

I'm not Seeing how the waystone project will have any of that, A bit of keeping the runesmiths and elf mages from skinning each other, but not an enemy trying to beat you to the punch or sabotage you...

maybe Beastmen? fucking up waystones is as much their things as setting up hordstones.

Consider just how many factions would love to have access to the power of the network, who would want to sabotage or hijack our efforts. Just off the top of my head;
  1. Necromancers using them to power their black rites
  2. Black magisters infiltrating the colleges who want to turn our studies to the work of their dark masters
  3. Druchi who want to piggyback off our efforts to harm the vortex itself
  4. Vampires in the service of Nagash wishing to tap into this vast source of power
And that is just the explicit destro factions. Here's a bonus:
  1. A faction of revanshist Asur could try to stop us from giving too much power to the Karaz Ankor
  2. A regenerate Liche Priest could be convinced that the secret to eternal life lies in the works of elder races
When your job is 'poke the elder magic that keeps the wold going' there are going to be a lot of people willing and able to get in your way.
 
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No. That doesn't happen in seven days or less, even if every Conclave representative dropped everything they were doing to get aboard a gyrocopter. The only way this announcement would be remotely possible is if Karaz-a-Karak had some way to know immediately that Karak Vlag had returned... like, say, a sudden inrush of energy from two Old Holds being reconnected to the Karaz Ankor waystone network. Damn and blast. For the sake of harmony you'd been hoping that the waystone network was a Golden Age relic that had been forgotten, but this could indicate that Belegar's suspicion might be correct, that the High King is actively and knowingly siphoning magical energy from the Karaz Ankor without their knowledge or consent.
Look, there's an obvious way to solve this dilemma:

For Thorgrim to just appoint Belegar as his heir and future High King. He gets read into the secrets, schism healed, Pan and Hluodwica bake a pie, everybody wins
 
I see quite a few people voting exclusively for Waystone Project. I find that rather curious. I mean I completely get definitely wanting that job and no other, but not even wanting the juicy information or enjoyable scenes we would get if Mathilde goes and looks into what the other jobs are even about? I don't get that.
I've also seen this with a few of the other choices (noticed a bunch for Swamp Town and a couple for Border Princess, probably more that I didn't register too), so I think it's just a quester thing, not a that-project-specifically thing.

Shrug. I'm definitely on team "cast a wide net and learn more before making decisions," the social votes for the past year and a half have demonstrated that amply. But the mind of another is an alien world.
 
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Ambassador-at-Large to the Karaz Ankor
[X] Governor-General of Swamp Town
 
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Being a good influence to an Emperor's heir can create a more moral, more competent and wiser EC/Emperor in the future, meaning a better world for everyone under him. And Mathilde can at the very least definitely make him more competent, she has the scores to tuttor. It may lso indirectly save wizard lives by making them more mainstream, and it allows herself to get involved in court politics which, while unpleasant, decide the fate of the Empire.

Would she be a good influence? She knows nothing about children or the raising and teaching of them. Children aren't so simple that simply being a good person while raising them will result in a good person.

I also don't see how she'd make him more competent. What can she teach him that others with actual tutoring skills can't, that we won't have to wait 7+ years to actually get started on?
 
I see quite a few people voting exclusively for [] Waystone Project. I find that rather curious. I mean I completely get definitely wanting that job and no other, but not even wanting the juicy information or enjoyable scenes we would get if Mathilde goes and looks into what the other jobs are even about? I don't get that.
I suspect a fair few people skimmed the author's note and are treating it like an actual binding vote. Also, many other quests don't allow you to vote for more than one thing, so that's a habit people develop too.
 
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[X] Border Princess of the Howling River
 
There's probably quite a few people who have more knowledge and insight than us when it comes to the actions Skaven tend to take in the Empire and the ways they tend to use to contact and corrupt Empire citizen. In the Karaz Ankor the Skaven do no more than attack, raid, sabotage, scout and surveil.
That's missing the whole point, Mathilde is
being called because that paradigm may cease to apply in the near future, with good chances the Skaven take out at least the gunnery school according to the celestials.

besides, this vote is about investigation and we should definitely find out whether the empire's Skaven expert is needed or not.
 
Would she be a good influence? She knows nothing about children or the raising and teaching of them. Children aren't so simple that simply being a good person while raising them will result in a good person.

I also don't see how she'd make him more competent. What can she teach him that others with actual tutoring skills can't, that we won't have to wait 7+ years to actually get started on?

Well... fair on both counts, can't refute the strong possibility this turns badly.
 
I am worried that if we do not solve the situation in Wissenland, then major trouble will brew there.

It would be really really bad if Nuln fell to the Skaven, for instance.
 
That's missing the whole point, Mathilde is
being called because that paradigm may cease to apply in the near future, with good chances the Skaven take out at least the gunnery school according to the celestials.

besides, this vote is about investigation and we should definitely find out whether the empire's Skaven expert is needed or not.

I absolutely agree, we need to at least know if it is going to blow up without us there.
 
It's depressing that this vote is below Swamp Town, the YOLO vote. So it goes.

[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
 
Mathilde can fairly easily still visit Karak eight peaks and Panoramia regularly.

Unless people are planning on taking the Lustria job I'm not sure why this would suddenly result in a break up .

My opinion on potential relationship issues is something like:
  • Swamp Town would probably result in Mathilde being gone for literally years, which is really rough.
  • High Priest in Kislev is a long, long way away. Without being able to draw on the dwaven gyrocopter network any longer*, visits to a K8P might end up being a once a year affair as it takes weeks even with Shadow Steed. Still pretty rough.
  • Stirland, Wissenland, and Tutoring... a strain definitely, though frequent letters, and a few long vacations a year could help, and Panoramia might consider coming to live with Mathilde during the winter months when she has downtime at K8P.
  • Border Princess would be very close and not much of a problem at all.
  • Loremaster-at-large, Ambassador-at-large, Waystones, etc. - Mathilde probably still uses K8P as her home base, though she's away a lot. Almost no issue.
*Mathilde might be able to continue using gyrocopters through dwarven favor expenditures, but that's a pretty hefty favor drain for someone who is not a government official.
 
[x] Spymaster of Wissenland
[x] Ambassador-at-Large to the Karaz Ankor
[x] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[x] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[x] Border Princess of the Howling River
[x] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev
 
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[X] Governor-General of Swamp Town
[X] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
 
Anyone else wondering why the light college patriarch is so insistent on keeping Egrimm firmly under hand? From the perspective Egrimm gave it sounds like poor management, but I wonder if there is more to it. It's pretty well outside of our purview, but it's pretty spooky stuff. Egrimm has definitely not given any reason to disbelieve him.

We should find out if Egrimm has a sister. Maybe the AU in Boneyverse is that, rather than throw two children into a snakepit the Patriarch made a not absolutely stupid decision, like just keeping an eye on them?
 
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