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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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All the past social actions with Egrimm have had me wondering: how would Alric have played out in a social action? What would he have talked about?

picklepikkl said:
...I am now deeply tickled at the notion of someone using mind-reading magic on her, breaking the fourth wall, and getting, like, a page of the thread dumped on them as her stream of consciousness.

Or, heavens help the poor soul, half a dozen memes from the Media threadmarks.
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Imagine them reading the speculation posts about Mathilde being a vampire, or a Wisdom's Asp.
 
Catpetter1981 said:
If Mathilde does well enough during our Elfcation, could we get the other type of Handmaiden to become Mathilde's personal secretary / butler?
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Mopman43 said:
Maybe dial back expectations slightly.

That'd be on the scale of like, saving the Everqueen from an assassin. Multiple times, even.
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@BoneyM
Out of curiosity, what kinds of deeds would Mathilde need to perform to merit the Everqueen seconding one of her Handmaidens to Mathilde as a lifetime retainer (for the "short by elf-standards" lifetime of Mathilde)?

Does it have to go all the way up to assassinating Malekith, or would something comparatively modest like taking down a Black Ark suffice?
 
Catpetter1981 said:
@BoneyM
Out of curiosity, what kinds of deeds would Mathilde need to perform to merit the Everqueen seconding one of her Handmaidens to Mathilde as a lifetime retainer (for the "short by elf-standards" lifetime of Mathilde)?

Does it have to go all the way up to assassinating Malekith, or would something comparatively modest like taking down a Black Ark suffice?
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The handmaidens are only sworn to the Everqueen for seven years.
What you ask is beyond her ability to grant.
 
If Horstmann was to make a report on Mathilde, can you just imagine how it would go? "Yeah she flubbed a battlemagic of some kind then punched a Greater Daemon in the face with it. That's when the hot pink dwarves appeared..."
 
NexysDhyArchen said:
If Horstmann was to make a report on Mathilde, can you just imagine how it would go? "Yeah she flubbed a battlemagic of some kind then punched a Greater Daemon in the face with it. That's when the hot pink dwarves appeared..."
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Amusingly since no other Ulgu mages were present they probably aren't entirely sure that was actually a miscast, it was handled so well and worked so well.
 
At the very least, the mirror is sus as hell.

The things she divulged were pretty personal and could amount to leverage, I also find it strange that she would volunteer her thoughts about dwarf demographics, I remember Boney saying that dwarves are private about the subject, it feels weird that Mathilde mentions it to Horstmann. Now, it could just be that Horstmann is just a very competent interrogator but him fiddling the mirror while asking his questions and obtaining straightforward anwsers from a grey wizard known for her penchant for mysteriousness certainly is weird.

Then again, the mirror itself might be misdirection either from the author to make us paranoid about Horstmann while the true cultist gets away scot free or by Horstmann himself, having us focus on the mirror instead of his true mean to compel us to speak the truth.

Personaly, though I think a Divine Artefact would fit the bill nicely (whether it's the mirror or something else). We know for sure such artefacts exist since we own one ourselves that allows us to lie perfectly. I can't certainly see Horstmann having a similar artefact compelling the truth from us in a way that feels natural to all but the most paranoid. At the very least, I don't think the coin emits visible magical energies when in use and I don't think wearing the belt would protect against its effects.

It doesn't even have to be a malevolent deity. I know nothing about WH gods but I'm sure there is an order god that would fit.

EDIT : Maybe Horstmann has an artefact of Verana? A mirror of truth feels in theme to me and gods are a major reccuring theme.
 
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If the mirror is some kind of enchanted or divine object it went unused, here. Mathilde would notice the pulse of magic, including divine magic, if it had activated.

Mathilde just shared information that is not particularly secret. She was reporting on barbitus to the person directly responsible for him, and to whom she offered to look into him for to begin with. The dwarven thing is just some basic personal information she isn't particularly closed about, and their demographic is a matter of record for anyone that gives it thought.

The towers are a chaos-lure. But I suspect they catch enough college wizards they have a form for it. They are very much a thing that wizards want to poke, because how they work alone would be worth years of study.
 
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Sparsebeard said:
At the very least, the mirror is sus as hell.

The things she divulged were pretty personal and could amount to leverage, I also find it strange that she would volunteer her thoughts about dwarf demographics, I remember Boney saying that dwarves are private about the subject, it feels weird that Mathilde mentions it to Horstmann. Now, it could just be that Horstmann is just a very competent interrogator but him fiddling the mirror while asking his questions and obtaining straightforward anwsers from a grey wizard known for her penchant for mysteriousness certainly is weird.

Then again, the mirror itself might be misdirection either from the author to make us paranoid about Horstmann while the true cultist gets away scot free or by Horstmann himself, having us focus on the mirror instead of his true mean to compel us to speak the truth.

Personaly, though I think a Divine Artefact would fit the bill nicely (whether it's the mirror or something else). We know for sure such artefacts exist since we own one ourselves that allows us to lie perfectly. I can't certainly see Horstmann having a similar artefact compelling the truth from us in a way that feels natural to all but the most paranoid. At the very least, I don't think the coin emits visible magical energies when in use and I don't think wearing the belt would protect against its effects.

It doesn't even have to be a malevolent deity. I know nothing about WH gods but I'm sure there is an order god that would fit.

EDIT : Maybe Horstmann has an artefact of Verana? A mirror of truth feels in theme to me and gods are a major reccuring theme.
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As I said, it's probably his Speculum of Stat Swapping. In context, I wouldn't be completely surprised if he was swapping Intrigue and/or Diplomacy stats with Mathilde to get more information out of the conversation than he gives.
 
Yes, you might all say stealing a mammoth is a risky plan, but let's be honest
[X] Attempt to steal the mammoth from the Baersonlings

It's not even remotely the riskiest thing I have voted for.
 
Ganurath said:
As I said, it's probably his Speculum of Stat Swapping. In context, I wouldn't be completely surprised if he was swapping Intrigue and/or Diplomacy stats with Mathilde to get more information out of the conversation than he gives.
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Mathilde would notice it activate, though. Enchanted items activating while she's looking at them are not particularly hidden to her rather ridiculous windsight.

And he shared how much he hates his boss. Which is a lot more valuable information than some people seem to be giving it credit for. Remember the colleges have a lot of leeway, as an institution. There are a lot of things Alric can do to make Egrimm's life miserable if he hears about this.

We're just at the "sharing unpleasant but not harmful secrets" stage of a friendship.
 
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Byzantine said:
Mathilde would notice it activate, though. Enchanted items activating while she's looking at them are not particularly hidden to her rather ridiculous windsight.
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I can buy him using some item that gives himself a buff possibly going unnoticed by Mathilde, a bit more Hysh being added to a lighthouse of it can be overlooked. Especially if it was applied before they met up.

Some kind of active effect being enforced on her though, totally unnoticed? I can't see it happening.
 
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Byzantine said:
If the mirror is some kind of enchanted or divine object it went unused, here. Mathilde would notice the pulse of magic, including divine magic, if it had activated.
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Not sure about that, I don't think we shine with divine magic when we lie with the deceiver on or whe the protector activated. At the very least, nothing in the text mentionned it that I know of.

Ganurath said:
As I said, it's probably his Speculum of Stat Swapping. In context, I wouldn't be completely surprised if he was swapping Intrigue and/or Diplomacy stats with Mathilde to get more information out of the conversation than he gives.
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It could be the Speculum, but if that's the case, he didn't use it. We would have seen it with our magesight and the belt would have protected us.
 
Redshirt Army said:
I don't think it's likely, mind you, but I'd find it funny if this was the second time one of Mathilde's supposed subordinates was secretly the same rank as her. :V
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Let's be honest, just the fact that it happened once is more than enough for Mathilde to be forever suspicious of it happening again. I could totally see her suspecting it even without thread input.
 
Between Avatar and Windsight we can see magic and divine energy, and our ability to see both of those is pretty potent.

If Horstmann used magic, mortal or otherwise, on us and we didn't notice its either weak to the point where it's weaker then just ambient magic is, or it's as well hidden as the darn changeling.

Unless it's somehow Dawi runes, but i don't see that being the case.

In all likelihood he's just trying to develop his speculum and part of that is just familiarizing himself with the mirror as a mundane object. It's a guess, but this is such a potent enchantment that I could see him needing to understand this exact mirror on, like, a Platonic ideal/form level before he even starts enchanting it.
 
King Arthur said:
Between Avatar and Windsight we can see magic and divine energy, and our ability to see both of those is pretty potent.

If Horstmann used magic, mortal or otherwise, on us and we didn't notice its either weak to the point where it's weaker then just ambient magic is, or it's as well hidden as the darn changeling.

Unless it's somehow Dawi runes, but i don't see that being the case.

In all likelihood he's just trying to develop his speculum and part of that is just familiarizing himself with the mirror as a mundane object. It's a guess, but this is such a potent enchantment that I could see him needing to understand this exact mirror on, like, a Platonic ideal/form level before he even starts enchanting it.
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Unless I'm mistaken, we don't know if the Coin emits divine energies when in use since we never studied it.
 
Thomasfoolery said:
Talk about elves makes me think, I realize there are elves of Ulthuan in Marienburg, and a few in the embassy. But both sets seem relatively reclusive. The Marienburg elves mainly using trusted human go betweens while staying in their district, and the embassy just interacting with select politicians.

Meanwhile Asarnil is always out there, constantly interacting with this army or that, or negotiating contracts. Feels like he just might be the single largest influence on what the old world thinks of when Ulthuan is mentioned.

Finubar: Ah Daroir, glad to see you return, if you've time i'd appreciate a first hand perspective of how my reign is being perceived among the humans.

Darior: Unfortunately a mixed bag, some of your trade initiatives were taken well, some poorly. The more intractable issue however, is that when you are spoken of it will often be in a story beginning with something like "Finubar? Ah yes, the song we have about the time Asarnil was hired to kill X features a verse with him in it." rarely is what follows complimentary...
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On the subject of Elves, something just occurred to me.

When Teclis comes asking about Karak Vlag, the perfect opportunity will come up to deliver him a.....*very* valuable piece of information. The Location of Morghur, a individual with a *very pertinent* connection to his boss, the Everqueen.
 
Ganurath said:
As I said, it's probably his Speculum of Stat Swapping. In context, I wouldn't be completely surprised if he was swapping Intrigue and/or Diplomacy stats with Mathilde to get more information out of the conversation than he gives.
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Horstmann: "A Lord Magister assigned by the Grey College as envoy to the Empire's greatest ally, who tripled the forces for this expedition through negotiating with her established contacts, and who routinely hob-nobs with kings and empresses. Better break out my Diplomacy-swapping artifact for this conversation or she'll pull me into her wake."

*Activates the speculum*

"Wait, why is my Diplomacy stat *dropping*?"
 
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CornyBones said:
On the subject of Elves, something just occurred to me.

When Teclis comes asking about Karak Vlag, the perfect opportunity will come up to deliver him a.....*very* valuable piece of information. The Location of Morghur, a individual with a *very pertinent* connection to his boss, the Everqueen.
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Not his boss, the other Everqueen. Ariel is the one who tried to eat the Avatar of Corruption.
 
Sparsebeard said:
I also find it strange that she would volunteer her thoughts about dwarf demographics, I remember Boney saying that dwarves are private about the subject, it feels weird that Mathilde mentions it to Horstmann.
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We did vote to share things dwarves do want hidden as long as we are not oathbound to keep them back when the highest Emperor Diplomat asked us for input on the channel.
So of course we'd share this knowledge with people Mathilde came to like.
 
[X] Head Ranger Snorri Farstrider
[X] Preceptor Joerg von Zavstra
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart the Younger
[X] Asarnil the Dragonlord
[X] Deathfang
 
Omegahugger said:
Yes, you might all say stealing a mammoth is a risky plan, but let's be honest
[X] Attempt to steal the mammoth from the Baersonlings

It's not even remotely the riskiest thing I have voted for.
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It's far from the riskiest thing we've voted for this week.
Byzantine said:
Oh no. They get the entire thread. All at once.

Tzeentch labeled her a cognitohazard after the 5th sorceror's head exploded.
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The Sorcerer immediately comes down with a bad case of Familiar Obsession.

How that happened when Mathilde herself isn't obsessed with mammoths is a mystery
Gavin Prince said:
Horstmann: "A Lord Magister assigned by the Grey College as envoy to the Empire's greatest ally, who tripled the forces for this expedition through negotiating with her established contacts, and who routinely negotiates with kings and empresses. Better break out my Diplomacy-swapping artifact for this conversation."

*Activates the speculum*

"Wait, why is my Diplomacy stat *dropping*?"
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"Why do I suddenly want ale, a good book and to challenge Asarnil to a fight in the hopes of learning something about swordfighting, in that order?"
 
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