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The angel on my shoulder: this is a fraught topic, you should warn people to be careful before they make comparisons between the Shadow Warriors and contemporary or near-contemporary resistance groups.

The demon on my other shoulder: "Is Morathi Thatcher" - the greatest thread in the history of forums, locked by a moderator after 12,239 pages of heated debate,
 
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I know Morathi is a capital B Bitch, but I feel the need to defend her against the slanderous comparison here. Morathi, at least, has one person she (sort of) loves, while Thatcher lacked the capacity entirely.
 
The angel on my shoulder: this is a fraught topic, you should warn people to be careful before they make comparisons between the Shadow Warriors and contemporary or near-contemporary resistance groups.

The demon on my other shoulder: "Is Morathi Thatcher" - the greatest thread in the history of forums, locked by a moderator after 12,239 pages of heated debate,
Teclis to his phoenix whenever morathi does kick the bucket: "Honk if morathi's dead"

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I know Morathi is a capital B Bitch, but I feel the need to defend her against the slanderous comparison here. Morathi, at least, has one person she (sort of) loves, while Thatcher lacked the capacity entirely.

Let's not get too far into the weeds here, but there's every evidence that, as awful as she was, Margaret Thatcher did indeed love her children. Even as a joke it doesn't seem right to ignore that kind of thing about a real person, no matter how unpleasant they were.
 
Warhammer Fantasy's cousin, 40k, quite literally had a villain very conspicuously named after Margeret Thatcher.
 
Warhammer Fantasy's cousin, 40k, quite literally had a villain very conspicuously named after Margeret Thatcher.

That's not true, Andy Chambers denied it many a time saying it was the name of one of some orc from old tabletop RPG sessions with friends. And given that the name is straight up Black Speech cribbed from Tolkien, I'm inclined to believe it this time.

No, the Margaret Thatcher insert was in a White Dwarf article where some goblins stuck her face on a flag.

Edit: My apologies, it was from Larping sessions, not tabletop.
 
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That's not true, Andy Chambers denied it many a time saying it was the name of one of some orc from old tabletop RPG sessions with friends. And given that the name is straight up Black Speech cribbed from Tolkien, I'm inclined to believe it this time.

No, the Margaret Thatcher insert was in a White Dwarf article where some goblins stuck her face on a flag.

Edit: My apologies, it was from Larping sessions, not tabletop.
I believe that's a case called 'lying'. I mean come on, the character was created in a time period where Margeret was very well known and basically everyone connected that character's name to her immediately. The person creating that character could not reasonably expect anyone to not make that extremely obvious connection.
 
I believe that's a case called 'lying'. I mean come on, the character was created in a time period where Margeret was very well known and basically everyone connected that character's name to her immediately. The person creating that character could not reasonably expect anyone to not make that extremely obvious connection.
What's the reason to lie? Is the person known for lying?
 
I believe that's a case called 'lying'. I mean come on, the character was created in a time period where Margeret was very well known and basically everyone connected that character's name to her immediately. The person creating that character could not reasonably expect anyone to not make that extremely obvious connection.

What reason would he have to lie? Thatcher is dead with no power and everyone loves the idea of Mag Uruk Thraka = Margaret Thatcher. It would have been easier to say nothing at all and along the meme to flow on. But he still went on to deny the meme and explain the the true source; he was a big nerd with a cool orc name derived from the Black Speech of the biggest nerd fantasy series. And unlike the meme, his story explains why the character in question's first name is Ghazghkull, too.
 
What's the reason to lie? Is the person known for lying?
What reason would he have to lie? Thatcher is dead with no power and everyone loves the idea of Mag Uruk Thraka = Margaret Thatcher. It would have been easier to say nothing at all and along the meme to flow on. But he still went on to deny the meme and explain the the true source; he was a big nerd with a cool orc name derived from the Black Speech of the biggest nerd fantasy series. And unlike the meme, his story explains why the character in question's first name is Ghazghkull, too.
Avoiding a potential public relations nightmare? Saying explicitly that you named a character after a famous and divisive real life person is well, something.
 
There's more references to Margaret Thatcher in Warhammer than you'd probably expect. There's her face on a goblin banner in fantasy, Mag Uruk Thraka in 40k, although whether that was intentional has been argued about for ages, and I'm pretty sure some Blood Bowl books mention a Tharg Rematcher, an evil crone who seized control of Albion or something.
 
The meme has existed for literal decades by the point he revealed the actual origins of the name. Any PR nightmare would have occurred ages ago.
By that same metric, why didn't he reveal the actual origin decades ago? I'm inclined to believe him, but putting out the true origin decades afterwards allows for a lot of doubt, especially considering GW was a very different creature then compared to what it is now.
 
Warhammer's references to real people are usually blatant, like the prophet "Luthor Huss", named after the RL Luther and Hus.
"Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka" is not close enough to "Margaret Thatcher".
 
An early White Dwarf had an Orc waving a banner with Margaret Thatcher's face on it. The name of the early campaign 'The Enemy Within' was taken directly from an infamous Thatcher speech. The Battle of Dungal Hill in the Tragedy of McDeath was between Orcs and Dwarven miners, and the leader of the Orcs was named after the guy shutting down mines on Thatcher's orders and the leader of the Dwarves was named after the leader of the National Union of Mineleaders during the strikes that opposed that. Empress Magraritha was raised by the Sisters of Sigmar, and thus could be said to be a lady habituated to wearing iron, and with the backing of a shadowy cabal of neoliberals came to power in 1979, marking the beginning of an explicit dark age in the Empire's history. And her statue in the Konigplatz serves as a secret entrance to Altdorf's sewers, which seems to me to be a continuation of a long-running joke about Thatcher's grave.

This is a product of the soil that not just Warhammer, but pretty much every long-running tabletop franchise originally grew in. The counterculture of the eighties, which RPGs were inextricably intertwined whether they liked it (the widespread infatuation with goth, punk, and hacker culture and aesthetics) or not (being implicated in the Satanic panic, getting raided by the Secret Service), meant they had certain beliefs and allegiances baked into them. And a lot of the British 80s counterculture grew from the rotting corpses of the communities that Thatcher killed, so they very much had an opinion about her.
 
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