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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Studying the vampire skulls just... hasn't been at the top of our priority list ever, because it's not really something we can farm out to the Golds, and if Mathilde wants to spend personal AP researching something, there are options way more likely to yield something useful that we still haven't found time to get through.

If we make a research institute and gain a bunch of devoted research actions, maybe that will change! But we aren't living in Stirland anymore and the lady running Stirland is doing a fine job stamping on vampires without the need for cutting-edge metaphysical research. "Guard the skulls, bop em when they start regenerating" works fine so long as you can keep a vigil.
Fanhunter696 said:
I wasn´t talking about the rifle though... But a runic crossbow with enough DF can very well become a ranged Branhulde, and since the Research institute will give us a few extra actions in the research departemnt, it may be interesting to use some of the freed action on learning that.

I mean I can understand getting runes on our revolvers, they are a straight up upgrade from our current weapons... But getting a runic Marksdwarf pistol seem like the worst option to have a "single shoot, long range, and extremely precise" kind of weapon because there are mcu better alternatives to cover that niche, especially if we needed AP to learn how to snipe with the pistol.

IIRC since we changes to the slots for inventory we are only carrying the revolvers with us on our "ranged" slot.
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1. Adding a new AP sink to train up crossbows is something I will strenuously resist. You're right that dedicated research would free up other actions, but there are other things that the personal AP would be better spent on, like "Branarhune" and "mundane skills" and "arcane mark control" and so on.
2. We have only one back and we already carry the Staff of Mistery on it. Where exactly would we put a crossbow?
3. Our Ranged slot is currently unoccupied. The inventory slot mechanics are for magical items, not mundane.
 
Fanhunter696 said:
I wasn´t talking about the rifle though... But a runic crossbow with enough DF can very well become a ranged Branhulde, and since the Research institute will give us a few extra actions in the research departemnt, it may be interesting to use some of the freed action on learning that.

I mean I can understand getting runes on our revolvers, they are a straight up upgrade from our current weapons... But getting a runic Marksdwarf pistol seem like the worst option to have a "single shoot, long range, and extremely precise" kind of weapon because there are mcu better alternatives to cover that niche, especially if we needed AP to learn how to snipe with the pistol.
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Replacing "rifle" with "crossbow" doesn't really change the point that it's not worth the AP investment when we have the pistol, at all.

We have, to date, literally never been in a situation where Mathilde has wanted to get closer so she can take a shot with the pistol.
 
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Briefvoice said:
I see that we're at the "how to get rid of vampires" stage of things. Very well then, I'd like to suggest that recent events have opened up a new pathway to vampire riddance.

Step 1: Make contact with the divine being represented by the shrine to Mannsleib
Step 2: Make bargain to accept vampire prisoners
Step 3: Use a giant steam-powered rocket to launch them to the Moooooooooon!
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with just a little effort, i bet we could get buy-in from the skaven to help make a moon rocket
 
picklepikkl said:
2. We have only one back and we already carry the Staff of Mistery on it. Where exactly would we put a crossbow?
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On our "ranged slot", seriously Boney has said numerous times that as long as they are in their respective slots the items wont interfere with each other neither for movement, carrying things, or for combat.

Plus, it is not like you can only carry a not specially thick stick on your back, Mathilde may be a petite lady but under the robes she is ripped.
Deathbybunnies said:
Replacing "rifle" with crossbow" doesn't really change the point that it's not worth the AP investment when we have the pistol, at all.
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I think it significantly changes it, imagine a totally silent projectile that tracks down its prey, hits like a siege weapon and electrocutes its target.

I mean the great advantage of dwarven crossbows over rifles and handguns is that they can use extremely OP runes on the crossbows, because they have been working with them for thousands of years more than with guns.
 
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We were wondering earlier how Skaven feed themselves without agriculture, maybe the answer is 'infinitely regenerating vampires'.
 
Fly me to the moons
And let me play among the warp
Let me know what life is like
On Liebs both Manns and Morrs

In other words don't tell the Slann
In other words, daring suits me

Fill my home with books
And let me learn forever more
'Cause that's all I've ever wanted,
All I've worshipped and adored

In other words please be true
In other words, take me with you
 
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Fanhunter696 said:
On our "ranged slot", seriously Bonye has said numerous times that as long as they are in their respective slots the items wont interfere with each other neither for movement, carrying or, combat.

Plus, it is not like you can only carry a stick on your back...

I think it significantly changes it, imagine a totally silent projectile that tracks down its prey, hits like a siege weapon and electrocutes its target.

I mean the great advantage of dwarven crossbows over rifles and handguns is that they can use extremely OP runes on the crossbows, because they have been working with them for thousands of years more than with guns.
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We're all aware that crossbow runes are stronger than gun runes (though "extremely OP" is pushing it a bit), but that's kind of beside the point for me. I (and, I'm sure, many others) just don't want the action sink of having to learn a whole new weapon from scratch.
 
Redshirt Army said:
Funny as that would be, I'm pretty sure that in Divided Loyalties the answer lies in that green goop we found along with Johann, at least for Clan Moulder.
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Weren't Panoramia and the hobbits running tests with it on livestock? I think it's supposed to be one of the longer-running ones--put the animals on half-and-half diets of goop and normal feed for a couple of years, observe them, and then slaughter and autopsy them for more observations and examinations. I don't remember if it's still ongoing or if enough years have passed that it's run its course.
 
Briefvoice said:
I see that we're at the "how to get rid of vampires" stage of things. Very well then, I'd like to suggest that recent events have opened up a new pathway to vampire riddance.

Step 1: Make contact with the divine being represented by the shrine to Mannsleib
Step 2: Make bargain to accept vampire prisoners
Step 3: Use a giant steam-powered rocket to launch them to the Moooooooooon!
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*Dr.McNinja vibes intensify*
 
Redshirt Army said:
Funny as that would be, I'm pretty sure that in Divided Loyalties the answer lies in that green goop we found along with Johann, at least for Clan Moulder.
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silentorphan said:
Weren't Panoramia and the hobbits running tests with it on livestock? I think it's supposed to be one of the longer-running ones--put the animals on half-and-half diets of goop and normal feed for a couple of years, observe them, and then slaughter and autopsy them for more observations and examinations. I don't remember if it's still ongoing or if enough years have passed that it's run its course.
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Speaking of which, the turn we get back is when the five year study that Johann and Panoramia did is supposed to yield results.
 
silentorphan said:
Weren't Panoramia and the hobbits running tests with it on livestock? I think it's supposed to be one of the longer-running ones--put the animals on half-and-half diets of goop and normal feed for a couple of years, observe them, and then slaughter and autopsy them for more observations and examinations. I don't remember if it's still ongoing or if enough years have passed that it's run its course.
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BoneyM said:
"It's a matter of how far we can scale without running into deficiencies," Panoramia says. "The Halflings have agreed to scale up tests, so we'll be starting sample groups of goats and sheep on 10%, 25%, and 50%. That seems to be as much as they're willing to eat without becoming upset and uncooperative. If they're still doing okay at one year in, we'll start draft cows, milk cows and horses at Ulrikadrin. After five years, we slaughter and do full autopsies."
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That was in 2481. It is currently 2486. So I expect that at the next Duckling Club meeting, in the T34 social turn, we'll hear about how it went.
 
Saidoro said:
We're all aware that crossbow runes are stronger than gun runes (though "extremely OP" is pushing it a bit), but that's kind of beside the point for me. I (and, I'm sure, many others) just don't want the action sink of having to learn a whole new weapon from scratch.
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I mean, the extremely OP is because they can get runes of equivalent power as the ones in traditional axes or hammers, and since those runes can be extremely OP like Branhulde shows, I think extremely OP is a fair assesment (at least regarding high level runes with loads of DF spent)
 
Briefvoice said:
I see that we're at the "how to get rid of vampires" stage of things. Very well then, I'd like to suggest that recent events have opened up a new pathway to vampire riddance.

Step 1: Make contact with the divine being represented by the shrine to Mannsleib
Step 2: Make bargain to accept vampire prisoners
Step 3: Use a giant steam-powered rocket to launch them to the Moooooooooon!
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Theoretically we might, but probably not, be able to create a massive Ulgu ritual to create a portal to the moon via Ulgus very strong thematic connections to the moon and the fact that portals and teleportation are a thing Ulgu can do.

Probably beyond us though. If Teclis had a hundred years to work on it, probably doable then.
 
King Arthur said:
Theoretically we might, but probably not, be able to create a massive Ulgu ritual to create a portal to the moon via Ulgus very strong thematic connections to the moon and the fact that portals and teleportation are a thing Ulgu can do.

Probably beyond us though. If Teclis had a hundred years to work on it, probably doable then.
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You know what happen when you open a portal in the vacuum of space, no?
 
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King Arthur said:
Theoretically we might, but probably not, be able to create a massive Ulgu ritual to create a portal to the moon via Ulgus very strong thematic connections to the moon and the fact that portals and teleportation are a thing Ulgu can do.

Probably beyond us though. If Teclis had a hundred years to work on it, probably doable then.
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Nah, that'd take too long of just sitting around while Teclis does stuff, clearly instead we need to work to free Calador Dragontamer from the Vortex (while keeping it going mind) and have him do the design work instead, he'd probably take like half the time! Much less time sitting around, and we'd get Elf headpats out of it too! :p
 
When this talk of getting a pimped out crossbow originally came up I was against it. With time to think upon it, I've come around. The main reason being that getting a runic crossbow does not necessarily mean not getting enchanted revolvers, the crossbow could fit in an 'activation' slot instead of the 'range weapon' slot. This, I guess, could only be possible if the crossbow is single use, one that cannot be redrawn in combat.

Two questions, do the runes of a runic crossbow take effect if they fire enchanted quarrels? Would enchanted quarrels activate if fired from a runic crossbow?
 
ReImagined said:
Speaking of which, the turn we get back is when the five year study that Johann and Panoramia did is supposed to yield results.
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picklepikkl said:
That was in 2481. It is currently 2486. So I expect that at the next Duckling Club meeting, in the T34 social turn, we'll hear about how it went.
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Johann, writing. "Observations. The animals grew and didn't turn into rats or rat-cows. They were tasty. No more resistant to punching."
Sits back. "...Hmm. That should do, over to Panoramia."
 
Imugi said:
When this talk of getting a pimped out crossbow originally came up I was against it. With time to think upon it, I've come around. The main reason being that getting a runic crossbow does not necessarily mean not getting enchanted revolvers, the crossbow could fit in an 'activation' slot instead of the 'range weapon' slot. This, I guess, could only be possible if the crossbow is single use, one that cannot be redrawn in combat.

Two questions, do the runes of a runic crossbow take effect if they fire enchanted quarrels? Would enchanted quarrels activate if fired from a runic crossbow?
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BoneyM said:
Fanhunter696 said:
As I said before Runic Revolvers and Runic Crossbow are not mutually exclusive, I personally want to get them both.

And the BoneyM has said numerous times that a 15 DF revolver will always be significantly worse than a more traditional weapon in which we spend the same amount of DF.
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It's one or the other. Both would go in the Ranged slot of her enchantment load-out.
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Fanhunter696 said:
I thought that we could fit the Crossbow in one of our activated slots, like with the Marksdwarf gun...
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Activated slots are much better suited for things that give Mathilde new capabilities, not the same capability she can achieve in four different ways already.
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I don't think it works out that way, according to the previous discussion.
 
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