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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Nerdasaurus Rex said:
For people thinking about talking to Ranald, I think it's been mentioned that he's automatically on overwatch, and if he can, he will intervene when and where possible.
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Well, that doesn't preclude that actually asking him something can provide some result other than 'he's here and watching in some capacity'. We asked him to intervene in Sylvania and he came to our succor, albeit not in a way that actually helped Van Hal to not die.


Let's try this crackpot idea;

[] Beseech Ranald to give some clue as to the nature of Divine energies at play.

@BoneyM is this a valid write-in?
 
Morghur in the end didn't attack the expedition indiscriminately, which is why communicating with him is possible, as long as done cautiously.
 
Katahiraga said:
We know that Morghur currently is not chaos-aligned so becoming a chaos spawn is nonexistent at least in regards to him. We know that he is not tainted by Dhar heavily.
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He's wearing his wargear, the one that mutates magic users into chaos spawns.

So no we don't really know this. We can conjecture that either he has leashed the "I mutate everything around me field" or maybe he doesn't have that at all. He does have the chaos staff and skulls though so the anti magic effect is definitely still going to be present because it's a major part of how the beastmen will be able to fight against the Kurgan tribes and win.
 
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Shane_357 said:
Maybe we should have postponed the waifu vote and romanced Morghur. Mathilde needs her headpats.
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I'm still a little salty Belegar didn't win. The dynastic drama and heartbreak would have been delicious.

Katahiraga said:
We know that Morghur currently is not chaos-aligned so becoming a chaos spawn is nonexistent at least in regards to him. We know that he is not tainted by Dhar heavily.
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The Chaos Gods do not need to be involved for you to turn into a wreck from sufficient Dhar exposure.
 
HungryHamadryad said:
While I'm cautiously inclined to agree, 'humanish' bones does not set me at ease, especially when we have other investigative options open to us still.
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Presumably they're Kurgan bones, who are inclined to try to induce mutations in themselves.

Still a far cry from, y'know,


SuperSonicSound said:
He's wearing his wargear, the one that mutates magic users into chaos spawns.
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Well, he has a staff, anyway. Boney didn't commit.
 
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Siual said:
Well, that doesn't preclude that actually asking him something can provide some result other than 'he's here and watching in some capacity'. We asked him to intervene in Sylvania and he came to our succor, albeit not in a way that actually helped Van Hal to not die.


Let's try this crackpot idea;

[] Beseech Ranald to give some clue as to the nature of Divine energies at play.

@BoneyM is this a valid write-in?
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Not thematic for the god of deceit to give us (presumably honest) asnwers
 
Morghur did not attack anyone from our group so, either he can't do it from a safe distance or he won't do it unless we give him a reason to and attempting to communicate peacefully is viable as long as we don't piss him off.
 
Thomasfoolery said:
This is what we've been told.

So it wouldn't do anything.
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I'm well aware, though specifically requesting information that might be in his power to give, which he doesn't know we have need of (unless our thoughts are transparent to him) might be of a different nature than 'can we ask him to help us'. He is always 'helping us', but that doesn't mean he cannot also be called upon like we did in Sylvania.
 
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Random note before I go to bed, but... do we really want to trust the Ambers and their autopsy skills? I remember a certain fuck up involving them and the We communication method that one time... :V
 
Katahiraga said:
Morghur did not attack anyone from our group so, either he can't do it from a safe distance or he won't do it unless we give him a reason to and attempting to communicate peacefully is viable as long as we don't piss him off.
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So how are we going to do a long-range communication with Morghul? We've tried semaphore, which doesn't work, and while we could use Illusion to supershout across the desert we don't even know if he speaks Khazalid.

He also needs a way to respond in kind, which we again don't know if he can.

Katahiraga, I am on your side here in this debate, but we're gonna need better arguments than this if we're gonna convince the rest of the thread.
 
Katahiraga said:
Morghur did not attack anyone from our group so, either he can't do it from a safe distance or he won't do it unless we give him a reason to and attempting to communicate peacefully is viable as long as we don't piss him off.
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Or he didn't feel like charging into our cannons. Them not charging if they can't flank us is standard beastman behavior.

Ericwinter said:
Random note before I go to bed, but... do we really want to trust the Ambers and their autopsy skills? I remember a certain fuck up involving them and the We communication method that one time... :V
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That was Johann.
 
Siual said:
I'm well aware, though specifically requesting information that might be in his power to give, that he doesn't know we have need of (unless our thoughts are transparent to him) might be of a different nature than 'can we ask him to help us'. He is always 'helping us', but that doesn't mean he cannot also be called upon like we did in Sylvania.
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Based on that and multiple previous posts I really don't think you're reading the intent the right way. As they all boiled down to the same message of there being no point calling for him.
 
WAIT! I have a solution to our "Were they Chaos Spawn?" bone problem!

Okay, so what we do is we gather a wide selection of the human'ish bones and then we have Mathilde cast a basic Raise Dead on them. The state of the undead depends on the state of the body, so if any of the corpses had weird body structures, that ought to be reflected in the skeleton warrior we raise.

We probably need a decent sample size though, if we pick just one then we run the risk of raising something that had too many broken bones for us to make sense of the final product.
 
[X] Approach the Kul camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
[X] Approach the Kvellige camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
[X] Fortify here and see if anything interesting happens over the next day
[X] Leave
 
I saw some people wanting to glass some sands and see if it would get broken down to sand again, only to be reminded that you would haveto use magic, wich may be a bad idea here, because the furnaces of the steam engines are not hot enough.

Has anyone raised the possibility of just using deathfang or the dragonfire flask to heat up the sand?
 
[X] Approach the Kul camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
[X] Approach the Kvellige camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
[X] Fortify here and see if anything interesting happens over the next day
[X] Attempt to approach Morghur to see if he can be communicated with
[X] Attempt to scout the forest at the base of the Karak
[X] Attempt to infiltrate the Karak with magic
[X] Attempt to infiltrate the Karak without magic
[X] Attempt to intercept a Kurgan war-party en route to attack the Karag and the Beastmen
[X] Ask for a volunteer to approach Morghur to see if he can be communicated with
[X] Ask for a volunteer to test Morghur's reputed ability to turn anyone using magic nearby into Chaos Spawns
[X] This is clearly some Divine non-Chaos effect. And it's fighting Chaos and the Chaos Wastes. So you are obligated to try to help, but no more. Go the the edge of the forest and set up a table to wait till nightfall. Have a Dwarf either/and or carve the name, rank and station of Loremaster of K8Ps and the Karaz Ankor, or announce you(or whatever else the procedure is for a formal envoy approaching a friendly Karak in Karaz Ankor). If anyone does show up, thank them for their service against Chaos and ask what message/assistance they require and see what knowledge they might be willing to give back, to be preserved. Do not step one foot inside the forest without an invitation.

Approval-voting for everything except Leave.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
Morghurs mutation field is within 8" in tt fail a leadership test and turn into a chaos spawn. His use magic and turn into a chaos spawn field is the entire battle field, maybe this Morghur has enough control over this field to not mutate people unless he wants to we don't know, but using magic is the one that has effectively a range of yes as far as we can risk it. Borek not being mutated by his I am chaos personified is not the same as us getting chaos spawned by his Braystaff. One is powered by him the other by his war gear.
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How the staff works is via aggravating Winds to make Reality more unstable and thus mutates Casters that tap into the Winds, following the logic of 'Wind Disrupting Reality=Mutation'. It makes some sense that the prior Mutation Field innate to him is amplified by the Staff across the battlefield, and that given Borek isn't a Chaos Spawn it makes sense that the Staff wouldnt either or at least be weaker. As whatever is going on around Dum is preventing the Shadowgrave's native effects either by means that don't involve empowering reality, or they do empower reality. Which in the latter would mean that the Staff's own effectiveness would be limited or nulled with the Mutation Field.
 
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The Void said:
How the staff works is via aggravating Winds to make Reality more unstable and thus mutates Casters, following the logic of 'Wind Disrupting Reality=Mutation'. It makes some sense that the prior Mutation Field innate to him is amplified by the Staff across the battlefield, and that given Borek isn't a Chaos Spawn it makes sense that the Staff wouldnt either or at least be weaker. As whatever is going on around Dum is preventing the Shadowgrave's native effects either by means that don't involve empowering reality, or they do empower reality. Which in the latter would mean that the Staff's own effectiveness would be limited or nulled with the Mutation Field.
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That's really not how it's described in the army book, it doesn't amplify anything the braystaff and stones of the skull cave that link with it are described as a talisman of chaotic power that agitates the winds of magic, given there's a kaledioscope of of all the winds I'd say it's probably active.
 
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