pucflek
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That is paid by silver on board. We have enough.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
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- Germany
[X] THEORY: Things are not what they appear as at the first look. Nothing Mathilde knows allows for what they are witnessing to be the reality.
[X] THEORY: This could be a Rune-based Illusion with "Morghur" being a Runemaster. The Dawi of Karag Dum let the forces of Chaos assume that Dum has fallen and is surrounded by Beastmen forces so they don't all unite to attack the Hold together and instead only come in smaller groups to "test" themselves against another chaotic force.
[X] ACTION: The forces should move back at least a half-days distance, find a defensible spot, and camp out for a few days to give them a chance to investigate, but no more than two-three days, the overall safety of the expedition still comes first.
It flinching back can just as easily come from a Runelords anti-Wind properties as it can from Morghur's aura.
And the fact that it looks less Dhar-heavy and produces no visible corruption or changes in the environment speaks for the former.
[X] THEORY: This could be a Rune-based Illusion with "Morghur" being a Runemaster. The Dawi of Karag Dum let the forces of Chaos assume that Dum has fallen and is surrounded by Beastmen forces so they don't all unite to attack the Hold together and instead only come in smaller groups to "test" themselves against another chaotic force.
[X] ACTION: The forces should move back at least a half-days distance, find a defensible spot, and camp out for a few days to give them a chance to investigate, but no more than two-three days, the overall safety of the expedition still comes first.
Here and now "reality" is the influence of Chaos on the Wastes.
It flinching back can just as easily come from a Runelords anti-Wind properties as it can from Morghur's aura.
And the fact that it looks less Dhar-heavy and produces no visible corruption or changes in the environment speaks for the former.
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- Location
- Burgundian Netherlands
Preliminary objective #1 was always "find out what happened to Karag Dum". We haven't even succeeded at that yet, let alone figured out if any of the additional ones can be completed.
Sure, we can judge that in this situation completing the objective would cause more harm to the Karaz Ankor than not knowing, but there are most certainly valid objectives remaining.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
In case you (or others) missed it in this flurry of posts, here's a link to my theorizing.
Be advised that it is not a perfect theory, it does have assumptions and guesses, but it's the best I could do.
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- Austria
My first thought is some kind of reality bendy Lotuseater machine. Where everyone sees what they kinda don´t want to see? Only it infects people differently and we are influenced by the Seed?
Probably not, but I am still pretty sure, that we don´t see the same thing Borek has seen. Not sure if I am imagine it, but the dwarfs only reacted to Morghur after Mathilde gave it a name?
Anyway, while I understand leaving right a way. At the very least we need more information, even if only from the surrounding tribes.
Probably not, but I am still pretty sure, that we don´t see the same thing Borek has seen. Not sure if I am imagine it, but the dwarfs only reacted to Morghur after Mathilde gave it a name?
Anyway, while I understand leaving right a way. At the very least we need more information, even if only from the surrounding tribes.
Mathilde just said they'll be back sometimes within the next two months. Judging by how Chief Peepers liked the silver, the cows will be there.
Ganurath
Literal Enthusiast
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- A Valid Location
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- He/Him
[X] THEORY: Mathilde is confused. Greys can admit to themselves that they're confused. Just don't show it.
[X] ACTION: The cure for confusion is curiosity, and there are two other fronts attacking Dum. The rest of the Expedition should pull clear for now, though. You can catch up.
[X] ACTION: The cure for confusion is curiosity, and there are two other fronts attacking Dum. The rest of the Expedition should pull clear for now, though. You can catch up.
About to leave for work, so just throwing this out there: if any of the attempts to get Borek et. al. to talk to us win, one way to get them to open up might be to ask them what grudges they want recorded in the book of grudges, to avenge the attacks against them and so the Karaz Ankor know who to blame and take vengeance on. If there is any dwarfiness left in Karag Dum, an appeal to grudges and vengeance might be the best way to reach it.
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- Before the Ninth Gate
How is this sophism? I'm putting forward that if the dwarves have found a way to hold out, and slaughter all around them, they clearly don't need more help. And given that they have enslaved Cor-Dum, by your theory, they've fallen to chaos, and are the type of dwarves the rest of the Karaz Ankor would kill on sight. Same with the Empire. Probably same with Mathilde, unless she starts going towards chaos.
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- Czech Republic
[x] THEORY: The specifics are hazy, but this is a known contingency plan that Borek is entirely aware of, but hoped hadn't been enacted. The result breaks all Dawi notions of acceptability, but Karak Dum survives in some capacity and continues to inflict attrition on every local and visiting Chaos force that want to take a swing at them, so it is considered a lesser evil by the pragmatic Karak Dum.
[x] [ACTION]: Turn back.
[x] THEORY: Karag Dum may have found a way to create and control beastmen.
[x] THEORY: Gor Dum is either a mutated dwarf or controlled by a dwarf, look at how he reacted to Borek.
[x] THEORY: Karag Dum has somehow tricked or compelled Morghur to fight the Kurgan tribes.
[X] Theory: The Dwarfs have control over Cor-Dum and is likely being controlled by Karak Dum's King or Leader, They are doing this to protect the Waystone and keep the Karak Ankor safe, there is an ongoing siege to take control of the waystone with a nearby source providing power to the desert to weaken the defenders.
[X] Action: Look for the source of the desert.
[X] THEORY: The Dwarves of Karag Dum did something to burn away the taint of Chaos, much as your Belt of the Unshackled Mountain does, but on a far grander scale. Perhaps it had an effect on the Beastmen here, Cor-Dum included.
[x] [ACTION]: Turn back.
[x] THEORY: Karag Dum may have found a way to create and control beastmen.
[x] THEORY: Gor Dum is either a mutated dwarf or controlled by a dwarf, look at how he reacted to Borek.
[x] THEORY: Karag Dum has somehow tricked or compelled Morghur to fight the Kurgan tribes.
[X] Theory: The Dwarfs have control over Cor-Dum and is likely being controlled by Karak Dum's King or Leader, They are doing this to protect the Waystone and keep the Karak Ankor safe, there is an ongoing siege to take control of the waystone with a nearby source providing power to the desert to weaken the defenders.
[X] Action: Look for the source of the desert.
[X] THEORY: The Dwarves of Karag Dum did something to burn away the taint of Chaos, much as your Belt of the Unshackled Mountain does, but on a far grander scale. Perhaps it had an effect on the Beastmen here, Cor-Dum included.
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Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Considering that this vote is what we'll the rest of the council, it does bring to mind the hilarious image of Mathilde going "I am, in fact, incredibly confused by all of this and have no idea what's happening. Please don't tell my students, they still think 'smug know-it-all' is my only setting."
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On a lighter note, since we all got distracted, I enjoyed reading about the Cringe Ranger who is punished for his Fail Crossbow by being required to somehow knock an embedded bolt out of an object by shooting it more.
[X] THEORY: That's not Morghur. Morghur constantly changes his surroundings, Morghur does not make reality more stable near himself, Morghur does not display affection, Morghur does not not attack people, Morghur would never stay here unless he was bound, and if he was bound he'd be struggling constantly to get out. The shuddering of reality can be faked by Runesmiths if they wanted.
[X] ACTION: Demand the Three Runesmiths in the Morghur Fursuit present Borek so you can scream at him for not mentioning he was taking you to the Capital of Dwarven Illusion Craft. You would have brought more ink and paper.
[X] ACTION: Demand the Three Runesmiths in the Morghur Fursuit present Borek so you can scream at him for not mentioning he was taking you to the Capital of Dwarven Illusion Craft. You would have brought more ink and paper.
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dpara
slightly confused ascendant
Karak Dum must have realized that a typical dwarfen defense will be eroded away or maybe even their magic resistance would not be sufficient andor their birthrate could never cope with attrition.
They need a "regenerating barrier" to have any chance.
My favored theories currently;
a) Best case, this is an illusionary Morghur and the dwarfes are using dryads.. it's interesting because Dryads are pretty revengy.
b) The dwarfes turned themselfes into beastmen/dryads and use their ecology to their advantage.
c) It's the real Morghur, he adopted Borek and we continue our explosive bowel evacuation.
They need a "regenerating barrier" to have any chance.
My favored theories currently;
a) Best case, this is an illusionary Morghur and the dwarfes are using dryads.. it's interesting because Dryads are pretty revengy.
b) The dwarfes turned themselfes into beastmen/dryads and use their ecology to their advantage.
c) It's the real Morghur, he adopted Borek and we continue our explosive bowel evacuation.
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Even Deathfang doesn't visit the wastes alone, I think we shouldn't go too far from the convoy. Well, until we try to secure the goblet, but even then, tanks might but more useful than stealth.
Because that doesn't follow at all. Having found a way to scratch by so far does not at all mean have established a permanently tenable defensive position. We simply do not know what the current strategic and tactical situation is.
Very possibly yes.
No, not necessarily. If this quest has made anything clear so far, it's that these sorts of things are far more nuanced than your local Witchhunter would have you believe. Mathilde has read the Liber Mortis and traded with Uzkulak. She is not a person who views the world in black and white. Her order is specifically known for understanding the utility of lesser evils.
Something, something shades of gray...
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- Earth
@BoneyM Is it possible the dwarves of Dum helped Chaos take Vlag whole? In some kind of deal where as a consequence Chaos/its agents made agreements not to eat Dum/The Waystone Network?
Like, what if the Tempter is there on purpose? What if Dum kept sending energy knowing it was keeping Vlag in the Aethyr?
Because you know who deals in love? Obsessive, crazy love? Slanesh.
Like, what if the Tempter is there on purpose? What if Dum kept sending energy knowing it was keeping Vlag in the Aethyr?
Because you know who deals in love? Obsessive, crazy love? Slanesh.
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- Australia
Plus there's the whole keeping a skaven prisoner and pumping a Dark Tongue-derived language out of him.
Mathilde would have to know a whole lot about some extremely forbidden topics to even begin to speculate.
Slaanesh couldn't offer Morghur as a reliable, happy and apparently caring guard. Because Morghur is Chaos incarnate and Slaanesh would never agree to bind him in such a manner as would be required.
That's the main issue: even if they sold their souls and mortgaged the mountain to Chaos, the dwarves of Karag Dum wouldn't get this. It's too good, there are Greater Daemons who are less in demand than Morghur. The Shadowgave is one of Chaos's darlings, he very much sets his own hours.
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Accusing dwarfs of corruption is a way to see if they are radical enough to not add the accuser to the book. They will extract compensation for the grudge in blood though, book or no book.
Gap
Not a Dog
- Location
- The Malleary
[x] THEORY: The specifics are hazy, but this is a known contingency plan that Borek is entirely aware of, but hoped hadn't been enacted. The result breaks all Dawi notions of acceptability, but Karak Dum survives in some capacity and continues to inflict attrition on every local and visiting Chaos force that want to take a swing at them, so it is considered a lesser evil by the pragmatic Karak Dum.
[x] THEORY: Karag Dum may have found a way to create and control beastmen.
[x] THEORY: Gor Dum is either a mutated dwarf or controlled by a dwarf, look at how he reacted to Borek.
[x] THEORY: Karag Dum may have found a way to create and control beastmen.
[x] THEORY: Gor Dum is either a mutated dwarf or controlled by a dwarf, look at how he reacted to Borek.
I thought I'd try to write down a summary of some of the theories floating around, mainly to prevent excessive repetition. Let me know if I miss anything.
- Karak Dum has enslaved/tamed Morghur
- Karak Dum raised Morghur
- Karak Dum has allied with Morghur
- Karak Dum has submitted to Morghur
- Karak Dum have been turned into beastmen
- Karak Dum are now chaos dwarves
- There is more than one Morghur, this isn't the one we recognise from history
- This is a golem created/bred by Dum in Morghur's image
- This is a chaos illusion
- This is a dwarf runemaster illusion
- Morghur is stabilising reality. This means he's a Runemaster in disguise
- Morghur is making reality flinch. This means he's a Runemaster in disguise
- Borek is the demon known as the Changeling in disguise and this is a chaos plot
- The waystone has been turned into a herdstone
- The woodelves planted the forest
- Morghur is a Dryad
- Morghur is an ancestor god (Okay, no one has said that yet, but I thought I'd throw it in)