Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Meet the puckle gun.
It could fire square bullets.
I doubt you'd ever find a Runesmith willing to try, but you might genuinely have enough surface area to work with, as long as you don't mind big rounds that move slooooooooow.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
I was talking about hand-held guns, if we're allowed artillery, cannonballs already exist.
- Location
- Goose Land
[X] Citharus, Barbitus, and Timpania
[X] Preceptor Joerg von Zavstra
[X] Journeyman Cyrston von Danling
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart the Younger
[X] Preceptor Joerg von Zavstra
[X] Journeyman Cyrston von Danling
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart the Younger
- Location
- Earth
While it'd be funny, that's the kind of thing Cloak Activity would be good for.
Edit: ...which we never fully learned. Huh.
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- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
The interpersonal options are. Why? Because scouting the Iron Wolves is redundant. We've got outriders. This is why we brought them.
If Mathilde doesn't go scouting personally, the expedition will still have scouts checking for danger and warning of problems. But if Mathilde doesn't build connections with the expedition leadership or the wizards under her command, those connections don't get built.
I have yet to see anyone argue why the Iron Wolves would attack a heavily armed expedition with a giant fuck-off dragon as long as we don't make any hostile moves. And if the argument is "well, they're gonna attack us no matter what because they're evil jerks," then scouting is irrelevant. They'll attack us, and, again, we've already got scouts. Let them do their job.
"Scout the lands of the Iron Wolves" is not more important than the interpersonal options.
A pity that it would have been hilarious if they thought we were going to feed them lizardman meat.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Yep, still don't have it. It's been eating away at some people.While it'd be funny, that's the kind of thing Cloak Activity would be good for.
Edit: ...which we never fully learned. Huh.
@BoneyM so before I get into the meat of this fucking huge replypost, because holy shit this thread moves fast, a spell idea: if/when we learn Pit of Shadows, could we then build a Battle Magic that fires a bolt of it? Like, anything in the path of the bolt just gets dragged out of reality unless they've learned to DODGE. Or at least something spiraling off from the Matrix where the bolt carries the Pit and then bursts when it hits something, improving targeting?
I have big exams January 11th. After that, we'll see.
I may steal those lines
A Jump is -
- this, basically.
Spoilers~
Excellent questions! I'm sure Snorri could answer those.
Yeah, that's about right
The thing is though, if you're using 20% less energy to get the same effect, that's 20% you can put into a better effect. Less vulnerable to disruption, greater longevity (and yes, that is important, because heirlooms), better integrated combos - I bet that's something that's been all but lost over the years, properly integrated combos. Kragg and Thorek would weep to look upon Zharrgal, let alone Barak Amazar.
This is something I'd have to think about how to balance if I actually did this Quest, but it's certainly a funny thought.
I really, really want to write Snorri investigating the Eye. But exams.
Well, to be fair -
- yeah, this.
[laughs in Ranald]
What the fuck Mathilde
Also: [laughs harder in Ranald]
Thank you for the mental image of Settra and Mathilde JoJo posing as they have a title-off.
I can neither confirm nor deny.
Why not -
- sigh. The perils of needing sleep.
Kragg: audible grinding of gears
Except the runelore he has is:
(that's a fantastic image by the way even with the wrong beard)
Snorri: "First time?"
I have big exams January 11th. After that, we'll see.
I may steal those lines
A Jump is -
- this, basically.
Spoilers~
Excellent questions! I'm sure Snorri could answer those.
Yeah, that's about right
The thing is though, if you're using 20% less energy to get the same effect, that's 20% you can put into a better effect. Less vulnerable to disruption, greater longevity (and yes, that is important, because heirlooms), better integrated combos - I bet that's something that's been all but lost over the years, properly integrated combos. Kragg and Thorek would weep to look upon Zharrgal, let alone Barak Amazar.
This is something I'd have to think about how to balance if I actually did this Quest, but it's certainly a funny thought.
I really, really want to write Snorri investigating the Eye. But exams.
Well, to be fair -
I mean, did Teclis bring back Karak Vlag? No? Well there you go.
(mitigating circumstances, is that something you eat?
- yeah, this.
[laughs in Ranald]
What the fuck Mathilde
Also: [laughs harder in Ranald]
Thank you for the mental image of Settra and Mathilde JoJo posing as they have a title-off.
I can neither confirm nor deny.
Why not -
- sigh. The perils of needing sleep.
Kragg: audible grinding of gears
Except the runelore he has is:
(that's a fantastic image by the way
even with the wrong beard)Snorri: "First time?"
If you ditched the drum and lightened it up... a person (much larger than Mathilde) could conceivably brace and fire it, especially given that it's a blackpowder weapon, which means a large projectile at a relatively low velocity (1000 feet per second, approximately). People are capable of shooting modern, smokeless 20mm from an upright position, and the standard in black powder elephant guns was 4bore, with 2bore occasionally being played with.
It's deceptively large looking without someone next to it for scale, though I will agree that it's beyond the bounds of what could be reasonably carried or fired. 4bore is totally doable though, and provides enough wiggle room for a square bullet; I've no idea whether that's enough room to fit a rune though, even if you could find a runesmith crazy enough.
Then again, if we get an apprentice I guess that opens the door to using a Jezail or Punt gun...
Thing is, its not redundant. The scout check the path ahead and the immerdiate vicinity of the expedition respectivly. We would scout out their lands to see what the general situation is and if theres a hungry band of ogres for example.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
And? What's the point of doing so? What do we gain beyond general interest factor? We're not passing through their lands, we're passing along the edge. The "general situation" in their lands isn't relevant to us.
I could understand if it was the "go talk to them" option, so we could assure them that we're not there to fight and we will be passing through Dolgan and Yusak lands, not through theirs. But I legitimately don't understand how scouting them will cause an attack of theirs to not happen, or how it will cause an attack of theirs that would succeed to fail, or indeed how it would solve any situations that our existing scouts won't pick up on anyway.
Mathilde doesn't need to do everything herself. Let the nice men on the fuck-off monstrous cavalry feel important, too.
It would take much more confidence than I have to assert that we will have time to visit multiple people next week. I expect that we will be swamped, because next week we need to steal the cup, we'll be passing through Yusak lands and probably want to scout them out, and we might want to take a peek at Karag Dum itself. "Oh, we can talk to people next week" is more fantastical than the literal magical powers we've got.
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- Location
- USA
[X] Journeyman Cyrston von Danling
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart the Younger
[X] Magister Egrimm van Horstmann
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart the Younger
[X] Magister Egrimm van Horstmann
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Vicinity is likely scouted by rangers (winter wolfs in dusk/nightime) and the more distant surroundings by Taalites.
Would Mathilde's scouting, in addition to rangers, ww and taalites, be useless? No.
Is Mathilde's scouting neccessary? Also no.
Thing is, there is no one else bar Mathilde to wrangle wizards.
That is her primary task from the start.
It's why wizards are even allowed in the Expedition, more or less.
- Location
- Not here. Maybe on SB.
It's time to scouting.
But I don't sure where - near the convoy, or far ahead?
[X] Ranging far ahead of the convoy
I'm sure we need to do that, tho:
[X] Journeyman Cyrston von Danling
[X] Use Rite of Way to ease the ascent
Edit: Oh, yes, almost forgot about obligatory paranoid vote:
[X] Magister Egrimm van Horstmann
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- Location
- Finland
We have trouble letting people do their jobs.
If Mathilde does not do it, it does not get done, or atleast not done right, seems to be often a strong undercurrent within the thread.
We can't leave talking to people to others, we are the only one who can cast Rite of Way, everything else is either not our job or already done by someone else.
If Mathilde does not do it, it does not get done, or atleast not done right, seems to be often a strong undercurrent within the thread.
We can't leave talking to people to others, we are the only one who can cast Rite of Way, everything else is either not our job or already done by someone else.
- Location
- Outside the Box
- Pronouns
- She/Her
As the Dwarfs would say, redundancy is the difference between shoddy and acceptable. We're going into exceptionally dangerous and unknown territory, against an enemy that's quite capable of outmaneuvering our outriders and mustering a force capable of challenging our convoy.
Besides, this is the same logic with the Rite of Way: Just as Mathilde only needs to use Rite of Way for the rough patches to greatly decrease the chances a steam wagon breaks down, so too does she only need to personally scout ahead for the most dangerous territory to greatly decrease the chance we run into a fight we don't want.
If we never have a social scene with Cyrston at any point during the expedition, probably nothing at all bad will happen.
Being fair for most people concerned with him it's not really a social scene, it's a 'make sure he's not a cultist' scene. As the GM pointed out these scenes can have real long term effects for the expedition.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
We're not going into their territory, though.
Like, next week, I am entirely in favor of scouting the Yusak. We'll be passing through their territory and it will be important to provide redundancy there. But we're just going by the Iron Wolves. We're not invading their lands, we're a heavily armed small convoy traveling up the road where they usually prey on merchant caravans. A generalized sentiment of "oh, Mathilde could help the situation somehow" isn't enough to go on to make me think dropping one of our precious few remaining interpersonal actions is a good idea.
It might be surprising to hear that I agree with you. However, what's important is that, unlike with the scouting, there is nobody hedging against the negative outcome. It's us to do that job, or that job doesn't get done.
Yeah, that's why I've been calling them "interpersonal" actions rather than "social" actions, because we're used to the term applying to turns where social actions are just for fluff and background character-building. That's not the case here on the expedition: the interpersonal actions do things. All of the ones we've had so far have done stuff and given information about what motivates those people that we wouldn't have had if we were just yoloing it. Now, for example, we know that trying to persuade Gotrek by appealing to the well-being of the Karaz Ankor in general is a lost cause: he cares about his immediate family, and that's as far as it goes.
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- Location
- USA
Well, currently the leaders are Rite of Way, Windfall, Ruprecht the Younger and Cyrston. Of those, only Windfall is something already covered by others, but it sounds really interesting, which is why I voted for it. Scouting the Iron Wolves is only nine votes behind Cyrston though, which I trust the Knights of Taal's Fury to handle well enough and don't think is something we really need to do.
Zedman7054
Eternally 3rd
- Location
- United States
There is absolutely one reason we should start taking actions to scout. We are a wizard, one with powerful windsight, and we are starting to get really close to the chaos wastes. We can scout for magic traps and ambushes. We can add our insight into anything weird the other scouts find and determine if we need to detour or prepare for battle.
- Location
- Brazil
Except some of it can't possibly be. There are things so basic that, for them to be lost, runesmithing itself would be entirely lost. Things like the Rune of Stone.
So Kragg's obsessive honing of his skill should show in the runes that there just isn't much hidden knowledge to it. Things like Stone, Steel, Cutting, Speed. The barebones are still around. If they weren't, nothing else would be.
Welp I've been convinced. Let's do the talking and leave the Chaos worshipers to the nice men on hungry carnivores:
[X] Use Rite of Way to ease the ascent
[X] Investigate the 'Windfall' with the Light Wizards
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart the Younger
[X] Journeyman Cyrston von Danling
[X] Use Rite of Way to ease the ascent
[X] Investigate the 'Windfall' with the Light Wizards
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart the Younger
[X] Journeyman Cyrston von Danling