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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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[X] Act normal

I have thought this over and I feel if something goes down right now, I would rather do so with everyone on board immediately and on our terms which this allows us to do, assuming the Mountain does not want to throw down immediately or let us walk away.

Alternately if a fight can be avoided for now, I would like to do so and this offers the best chance of doing it.

If the mountain does want to attack immediately, that sucks but I do not think that is likely.
 
I was with stand your ground at first, but now I'm convinced that the smart play is to act natural and not freak out just yet. Let's keep a cool head and go get everyone without announcing to chaos that we're coming.
 
Smartphone said:
[X] Act normal

I have thought this over and I feel if something goes down right now, I would rather do so with everyone on board immediately and on our terms which this allows us to do, assuming the Mountain does not want to throw down immediately or let us walk away.

Alternately if a fight can be avoided for now, I would like to do so and this offers the best chance of doing it.

If the mountain does want to attack immediately, that sucks but I do not think that is likely.
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Do you honestly think that the expedition with 50 slayers will be in better shape to fight this thing on the way back?

Standing our ground is the best way to fight it on our terms, because every other way gives it more time to prepare and potentially puts us in an even worse relative position than where we are now.

Even if we do manage to convince it that we aren't onto it, there would still be having to convince Borek that it is actually a threat, so we don't get flanked by it when we're trying to fight our way through Karag Dum, or fight our way through a chokepoint its prepared, almost certainly without as many elite troops, and with more deadweight, either treasure or wounded.
 
wrecksalot said:
Do you honestly think that the expedition with 50 slayers will be in better shape to fight this thing on the way back?

Standing our ground is the best way to fight it on our terms, because every other way gives it more time to prepare and potentially puts us in an even worse relative position than where we are now.

Even if we do manage to convince it that we aren't onto it, there would still be having to convince Borek that it is actually a threat, so we don't get flanked by it when we're trying to fight our way through Karag Dum, or fight our way through a chokepoint its prepared, almost certainly without as many elite troops, and with more deadweight, either treasure or wounded.
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Acting Normal isn't "Ignore the situation", it's "Let's just calmly go back to the rest of the expedition and talk this over"
Standing our ground is "We're going to charge this now."
 
Even if you know that there's an inevitable ambush you're about to run into, the smart thing to do is to pretend you don't see it coming and quietly warn everyone to get ready rather than running around helter skelter "Ambush! I see you! Come out and fight!"

And that assumes that a violent confrontation is inevitable
 
Seleucus said:
Even if you know that there's an inevitable ambush you're about to run into, the smart thing to do is to pretend you don't see it coming and quietly warn everyone to get ready rather than running around helter skelter "Ambush! I see you! Come out and fight!"

And that assumes that a violent confrontation is inevitable
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There is a difference between an ambush and an imminent tactical nuke targeting.

Mathy's hunch reads the danger as nuke.
 
Asheram said:
Acting Normal isn't "Ignore the situation", it's "Let's just calmly go back to the rest of the expedition and talk this over"
Standing our ground is "We're going to charge this now."
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I know it isn't that in general, but the person I was responding to was hoping to avoid a fight right now, which to me seemed to imply that he was wanting to just have us continue on our way, rather than marshal our forces to attack.


Seleucus said:
Even if you know that there's an inevitable ambush you're about to run into, the smart thing to do is to pretend you don't see it coming and quietly warn everyone to get ready rather than running around helter skelter "Ambush! I see you! Come out and fight!"

And that assumes that a violent confrontation is inevitable
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a violent confrontation is inevitable unless you propose that we let the chaos ritual with enough power to hide from Teclis run its course. also, when in enemy territory, when you know an ambush is coming, it is inadvisable to go throw your forces into a meat-grinder and then come back and trigger the ambush, giving your ambusher more time to prepare while you do so.
 
BoneyM said:
"I also wanted to know if you could shed any more light on what Magister Matriarch Stossel is concerned about."

He shrugs. "Even if I knew anything more - and I don't - I probably wouldn't be able to tell you. The future isn't set in stone, so if you get a glimpse of it and act too dramatically to try to alter it, you could change the future too much for the glimpse you got to be any help to you. You can stack the deck," he says with a smile as he ruffles the cards in his hand, "but you can't change the game."

You frown thoughtfully at that. A bit like having a spy inside the enemy camp, you suppose. If you act too obviously on their information, you could give away that you have that information. "That makes sense. I don't like it, but it makes sense."
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I was already leaning towards "Act Normal," but this is what really changed my mind, emphasis mine. Now it could just be a coincidence that this was brought up in the same chapter as the Vlag, but it could also be a hint from BoneyM/celestial interference to set Mathilde on the right path.

And it just seems prudent and very Grey of us to not give the game away anyway
 
I'll point out that our immediate, very paranoid suspicion, is that it's a chaos ritual.
It's a legit concern, but Mathilde has a tendency of jumping to conclusions of enemy action.
 
[X] Act normal

Don't want to draw away half our strength from the relatively more vulnerable wagons to stare menacingly at a rock.
 
You know, I wonder if the sudden panic leading to an urgent desire to be elsewhere is a second layer of the memetic defences triggering once the first layer has failed. In which case:

[X] Stand your ground
 
wrecksalot said:
a violent confrontation is inevitable unless you propose that we let the chaos ritual with enough power to hide from Teclis run its course. also, when in enemy territory, when you know an ambush is coming, it is inadvisable to go throw your forces into a meat-grinder and then come back and trigger the ambush, giving your ambusher more time to prepare while you do so.
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The chaos ritual with enough power to hide from Teclis has been going for a couple hundred years without running it's course, I doubt it's going to finish running it's course anytime soon. A violent confrontation is inevitable, but it doesn't have to be on the timescale of the expedition. Get back to civilization, tell the fucking elves "hey the waystone energy from Karag Dum has been getting absorbed by... SOMETHING at Karag Vlag for a couple hundred years" and Teclis himself will probably muster up the forces to revisit the matter.
 
Asheram said:
I'll point out that our immediate, very paranoid suspicion, is that it's a chaos ritual.
It's a legit concern, but Mathilde has a tendency of jumping to conclusions of enemy action.
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the only alternatives that have been brought up are
1. Ulgu Dragon who murdered a dwarfhold and is now using that magic to its own ends
2. Slaan playing Silly Buggers
3. It's an ancestor's work that the High King never bothered to tell anyone about
4 a warpstone clog
5 skaven

1 seems only marginally less bad than the chaos assumption, and 2 seems unlikely, since we are north of Kislev rather than in Lustria.
3 seems unlikely because it would require that Ancestor work to still be working , and for the general dwarven populace to have forgotten about it, and for dwarves to truck with memetic effects lying to them, and for the effect which Mathilde calls out in the update as foreign to the dwarven mindset to have been made by dwarves.

4 seems unlikely, because that is what would ordinarily be the result of magic being pumped into stone for a few hundred years and it hasn't happened

5 seems unlikely because BoneyM stated that if skaven had access to memetic hazards, they would be using them for a lot more than just an ignore me field.

reignonyrparade said:
The chaos ritual with enough power to hide from Teclis has been going for a couple hundred years without running it's course, I doubt it's going to finish running it's course anytime soon. A violent confrontation is inevitable, but it doesn't have to be on the timescale of the expedition. Get back to civilization, tell the fucking elves "hey the waystone energy from Karag Dum has been getting absorbed by... SOMETHING at Karag Vlag for a couple hundred years" and Teclis himself will probably muster up the forces to revisit the matter.
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This course of action requires us to survive Karag Dum, and assumes it will just play nice on the return trip, and requires Teclis to believe that he was wrong and that a human wizard was right to the point that he will muster forces to investigate the matter.
 
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