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[ ] Stand your ground
- Snorri has a horn, you have Illusion to make the same sound except louder. Asarnil can be here within a couple of minutes, and the Knights soon after that. Stand your ground and see if you can disrupt anything that might happen.

going to be voting for this when I wake up later. Better to set it off now than to wait and give what ever is here time to adjust to being found out.
 
Another thing to consider: Either the memetic effect is strong enough to not only put words in dawi mouths, but also strong enough to convince dawi that they had actually excavated something they hadn't or whatever Chaos agent is doing this did actually have the ability to back-fill the "veins" with "solid rock".
 
Well regardless of what we do we need to put this info to paper ASAP and send someone back at full speed to inform the Grey College and the Dwarves about this info.
 
This shouldn't be.

If there is no waystone, then magic shouldn't be flowing here, unless Chaos has purposefully trapped a waystone.

Then this has been planned since Vlag was taken. And if that happened... then I'm pretty sure that whatever we are doing is pretty irrelevant to its intentions. We are not retaking Dum. We are simply going to see if there are survivors. There is no way that this thing will give up its ruse to attack us. We are not that important to ditch a centuries-old plot.

Also, this might be an Ulgu dragon. In fact, I'm really liking this explanation.
 
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"I have. He's... somewhat single-minded, but his skill with Lightning Bolt surpasses my own. I've been giving him a few tips on Wind Blast in the evenings, considering how well he's taken to Winds of Heaven he should be able to wield it quite well by any standard, let alone that of a Journeyman."
Should be Wings of Heaven, rather than Winds.
"Gone too," Snorri says grimly. "But we've dug some exploratory shafts. The veins that Karak Vlag mined have not returned, but instead been replaced with solid rock."

"Solid," you echo. "So not simply caved in." He nods. "So that would mean that..."

"Whatever did it isn't playing silly buggers with time, it's playing silly buggers with us," Snorri finishes, to a rumble of anger from the other Rangers.
... So that means that somebody teleported or ISOT'd the Karak Vlag in space rather than time.

They switched it with some huge bit of stone somewhere in the Warhammer world. Who the heck knows where, though.
And finally, you see it. Like a faint star you can only see when you're not looking directly at it, a tiny string of energy far below, one end frayed as the magical energy reaches its destination and finds nothing there to redirect it further south, and instead spills into the stone. At the point where those magics are being grounded the ambient energies must be so high that any creature there would be wracked by terrible mutation, but stone is hardier than that, and it simply radiates the energies until they're so diffused that they're harmless by the time they reach anything that could react to it. Stone is an excellent insulator of magic.
Ah. Or maybe it's not a permanent teleport/ISOT, then?

Maybe the energy is being used to fuel the translocation of Karak Vlag in perpetua.

... Which presumably sounds like, Vlag could snap back if something was done on their end or on this end.

Except, Karak Vlag would have no idea when it would be safe to do so, so...
Stone is not that excellent an insulator of magic. After almost two centuries of constant bombardment, even stone would be affected, but it isn't. Ergo that magic isn't being radiated, it's being used. You try to do the mental calculations for what could be done with that amount of power multiplied by one hundred and eighty-five years, and quickly realize that the better question is what couldn't be done, and that's a damn short list. Also short is the list of beings that would be capable of shaping that amount of power, and damn near every entry on it is Chaos-aligned. The word 'portal' comes uncomfortably to mind. And then you realize that whatever original objective this gambit might have had, the Ice Witches going to the trouble of scouring High Pass clean of snow would have announced that some sort of very important target of opportunity would be approaching.

So in summary, someone is doing something with a lot of magic, and the 'someone' is almost certainly Chaos, and the 'something' is almost certainly bad, and the Ancient Widow has announced that there's an excellent target for that badness trundling down the pass this season. You hold your pose of concentration and consider what your next move should be.
... Whuh? That's a weird sort of reaction to me. o_O Maybe I'm slow on the uptake/alarm, but...

I was assuming that somebody either teleported Vlag away (or perhaps Vlag teleported itself away, but I don't think they'd have done so so soon and fast, so probably it was teleported away).

I think a more likely assumption is that the fraying end of magic is being used to maintain the... whatever... of this big stone block where Karak Vlag used to be; and/or is being used to keep Vlag translocated or dimensionally shifted.


I figure it's better to just act quietly about things. Currently, it sounds like alarm fueled by "Celestial Matriarch said something bad may happen" plus "Insulator was mentioned twice, HOLY FUCK GUYS!" and noticing the frayed end of a connection.
 
Another thing to consider: Either the memetic effect is strong enough to not only put words in dawi mouths, but also strong enough to convince dawi that they had actually excavated something they hadn't or whatever Chaos agent is doing this did actually have the ability to back-fill the "veins" with "solid rock".
Dimensional shenanigans isn't out of the question either. Just pull the Hold a little out of phase with reality and backfill the space it occupied with stone from elsewhere and presto, as if it was never there.

Perhaps "Mountain Vietnam" should be replaced with "Mountain Vietnam 2: The Mountain Strikes Back"
Mount Vietnam: The Vlag Offensive
 
stone is an excellent insulator of magic.
stone is an excellent insulator of magic.
stone is an excellent insulator of magic.
stone is an excellent insulator of magic.
stone is an excellent insulator of magic.
stone is an excellent insulator of magic.
 
I think this has just thoroughly justified the votes to go look at Vlag.
Yeah, my foot is firmly in my mouth. None of us considered that other entities would notice the Ice Witches opening High Pass and plan to ambush us.

...though I suspect that if we had been worried about that, we'd have voted for Ranging Far Ahead with the Knights of Taal's Fury and missed this.

@BoneyM, are we+Snorri+the Rangers out ahead of the Knights of Taal's Fury, or are they further up the pass past the turn-off to Vlag?
 
@BoneyM, are we+Snorri+the Rangers out ahead of the Knights of Taal's Fury, or are they further up the pass past the turn-off to Vlag?

The bulk of them would have probably just reached where the Expedition will be camping tonight, so they'd be further away than the Expedition is.

@BoneyM just curious, but was this the result of a roll among multiple possibilities for "anything interesting at Vlag" or did you have it in mind for a while?

I've had it in mind for a while but it wasn't compatible with some of the Karag Dum scenarios. I did the roll for which one is the case when I started writing the Karak Vlag portion of the update.
 
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By the way, this sounds really, really damn Tzeentch-y. Deceit, messing with perceptions, space and time until the truth is so muddled it becomes unimportant is prime Tzeentch. And if it is in fact Tzeentch, I give good odds they know we noticed and are about to spring the trap.
 
We need to sound the alarm now. There's a chance that we're being watched, but I find that I want to stop whatever the fuck is going on down there now rather than later.
 
Wow, I wasn't expecting Mathilde to get another chance... but Ranald better be ready to munch on a boat load of magic soon, because that amount of energy is going to have to go somewhere.
 
If someone had grabbed random chunks of stone from a similar area somewhere else to fill the holes, we'd expect it to have similar metal veins, even if they wouldn't be in exactly the same places. You'd think dwarfish prospectors would notice that given a bit of work. And if someone had grabbed random chunks of stone from from a dissimilar area somewhere else to fill the holes, we'd expect the dwarfish prospectors to definitely notice that immediately.

(Somewhere else referring to anywhere else in time, space or other dimensions, it doesn't really matter for this point.)
 
Hey everybody, did you know stone is an excellent insulator of magic?

In all seriousness, that's that part of this that should be most freaking everyone out. A spell like that that is constantly adjusting perceptions is something you normally see only at sites where it can be actively maintained by intelligent action. Who knows what the hell Chaos is hiding around here? It affected dwarves... put words in their mouths. That alone ups the alarm level from like a 5/10 to a 9/10.

I am highly, highly tempted to blow the fucking horn and see if we can catch whatever it is off-guard. Yeah, okay, maybe we look stupid. I'm willing to take that risk, because there's also a chance we startle whatever the hell it is, cause them to make a mistake and over react, and blow up a conspiracy that's been successfully squatting on this spot for nearly 200 years.
Or it could turn the voltage on it's meme field from bug zapper to electric fence and turn Mathilde into a vegetable or something. I wouldn't bet on only having one trick for defending itself.

We have a lot of firepower around, but not nearly enough to smack these people in the face on their own porch without a really good plan.
 
@BoneyM

I need to ask a couple questions about the Nature of the Waystones.

Before Eight Peaks was retaken, was it on the receiving end of a leyline, and the magic was diffusing into its mountains?

And how it changed afterwards?

See, I'm trying to figure out if this is a case of a "Missing Waystone" or a "Subverted Waystone"

It would have a really different implication about the original idea behind whoever did this, and possible about when it happened.
 
They switched it with some huge bit of stone somewhere in the Warhammer world. Who the heck knows where, though.
I'm pretty sure this isn't correct, given that the following quote implies the outside of the mountain looks roughly the way it did before Karak Vlag was founded.
When you finally reach your destination, you can see why the Dwarves would have chosen this place for one of their original Holds. The peaks that frame the approach would have been trivial to carve watchtowers into and the sheer cliff-face that the path terminates at would have been the natural place to carve an entrance and, eventually, to place its famous outer gates, which had been inscribed with scenes of the founding Dwarves exterminating the terrible beasts that made their homes in nearby caves.
 
Well, looking on the bright side, if we somehow manage to clear this up, there might be some more power flowing to the Karaz Ankor network without the leech feeding on it.

Also, further thought- if Karag Dum's power flowed to Karak Vlag to flow further south, then Thorgrim not seeing Karag Dum active on his Throne Console might not mean anything about the hold itself.
This shouldn't be.

If there is no waystone, then magic shouldn't be flowing here, unless Chaos has purposefully trapped a waystone.

Then this has been planned since Vlag was taken. And if that happened... then I'm pretty sure that whatever we are doing is pretty irrelevant to its intentions. We are not retaking Dum. We are simply going to see if there are survivors. There is no way that this thing will give up its ruse to attack us. We are not that important to dicth a centuries-old plot.

Also, this might be an Ulgu dragon. In fact, I'm really liking this explanation.
The way I was reading this, the cut off magic isn't from Vlag's now missing waystone, it's from Dum's further north one, the power flow just gets halted here, meaning there's a build-up. Which means that fighting whatever is there won't clear up the blockage and increase the power from the Old Holds.

... So that means that somebody teleported or ISOT'd the Karak Vlag in space rather than time.

They switched it with some huge bit of stone somewhere in the Warhammer world. Who the heck knows where, though.
I thought it was confirmation of the "everything in Vlag got turned to stone" theory, with the 'playing silly buggers with us' being about the Dwarfs and their whole stone/magic thing.
 
If someone had grabbed random chunks of stone from a similar area somewhere else to fill the holes, we'd expect it to have similar metal veins, even if they wouldn't be in exactly the same places. You'd think dwarfish prospectors would notice that given a bit of work. And if someone had grabbed random chunks of stone from from a dissimilar area somewhere else to fill the holes, we'd expect the dwarfish prospectors to definitely notice that immediately.

(Somewhere else referring to anywhere else in time, space or other dimensions, it doesn't really matter for this point.)

Alternatively If this is a powerful Tzeentchian cabals / a Lord of Changes work then they probably could have predicted where the Dwarven Prospectors would drill their boreholes and used magic to perfectly fill only those in. Heck, with the amount of magic they should have from tapping into a Waystone during the Storm of Chaos and the mass sacrifice of Karak Vlags inhabitants they probably could have teleported in from the past the exact stone that was in place of Vlags tunnels before Vlag was founded.
 
...though I suspect that if we had been worried about that, we'd have voted for Ranging Far Ahead with the Knights of Taal's Fury and missed this.

Speak for your self.

I'll note my vote was the following.


[X] Visit the former site of Karak Vlag
[X] Ranging far ahead of the convoy
[X] Magister Michel Solmann
[X] Ice Crone Ljiljana

:V

Mostly because that thought has been in the back of my mind since the option came up to ask the ice witches to fix the weather for us. That said I'll cop to not thinking Karak Vlag was linked to that thought but I hadn't fully discounted the idea mostly I just thought it'd be worth taking a look for other reasons.
 
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