Said association was probably done by someone who did self identify as an assassin (assumng it was a human invention).
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Said association was probably done by someone who did self identify as an assassin (assumng it was a human invention).
Shadow Knives seems very Shadow Warrior, tbh
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Fantasy Ninjas are just showy assassins though
.Actually, rl ninjas propagated all sorts of myths about things they could do in order to misdirect others, so that kind of maps to real ninjas too, although in a more subtle, misdirecty way. If nothing else, it still makes them mystics.
One of the interesting things about Cathyan magic is the implication that they consider High Magic, as used by high elves, and (true?) Dark Magic, as used by dark elves, as something beyond the ability of regular spellcasters.
This concept of there being a 'True Dhar' also shows up in a few other places.
This concept of there being a 'True Dhar' also shows up in a few other places.
Some of the sources about true Dhar suggest that it's very hard to make 'true Dhar' from pre-existing Winds, requiring the inhuman willpower of a dark elf sorcerer to force them to combine, or a blocked Waystone junction, or Warpstone.
I know that's not the route you've gone down.
I think I saw suggested somewhere (no idea where exactly) that true dhar is dhar made from an equal amount of all 8 winds crushed together.
NexusEye
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Antique Dhar, just as good as brand new Dhar but it's old so it's fancier.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Clearly what we should do is practice Dhar until we can rival even the greatest of elves!
Chlof
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Also known as 'Sevir Cheese'
Tell me about it.
When I looked up bone ash, it wasn't very far down before it seemed to be wondering if I needed to get rid of a body....
To be honest it sounded to me like True Dhar is probably 'just' the First Secret - knowing that if you have an iron grip on it and forcing it to do your bidding works better than rolling it up and throwing it out.
I know you've decided otherwise, but Realms of Sorcery is very explicit that this isn't the case, that Black Magic using the substance True Dhar is a totally different thing to Dark Magic using the Dhar method of multiple Winds at once. The way the word Dhar is used inconsistently by different authors complicates the matter, but the IC authors coming from different magical traditions could well use the same word differently.
Fantasy racism against elves doesn't seem
like a satisfying explanation for this/
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Three weeks later:
BoneyM: "Yeah, so like, if you just accept the cyclic nature of events and from that, time; and from that - when you're on the outside looking at yourself looking back in at what we tend to call reality you can see the shifting movement of what the closed-mind thought to be a 'still image'. That's literally Ranald!"
Everyone else: "What."
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Can you imagine the possible misunderstanding some google data analyst looking through search histories could have?
"Can't tell if serial killer... Or mystery writer."
I don't know I feel like the actual response would be something like:
"Does that mean we can do Theurgy?"
"No we should do Uglu Tong first!"
"Look we still aren't done with Vitae, we need to finish that first!"
"Guys we don't have AP for any of this!"
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'shroom!BoneyM: "Just take the action from the quest, do it in the outside with your own AP and then I can put it into the update for you....
Huh. Why can't I put the write up of the action back into the quest? I can move the now to later, but like... when I pick up the words, I can't walk back to when I was with them? This doesn't make any sense."
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Realms of Sorcery defines non-true Dhar as accidental creation and use of Dhar by untrained casters allowing for powerful non-Wind spells, or its deliberate creation as part of other Lores like Necromancy. It seems like this is its way of explaining Witchcraft and Hedge Wizards being able to cast spells that are non-Wind but also not explicitly evil magic-y, and though this is a neat solution, it's contradicted by things like the Lore of Hags and the Lore of Hedgecraft being introduced in other 2e books. But it says that while ambient stagnant magical energy is 'True Dhar', actually taking that magic and using it for Necromancy, or Skaven magic, or even Chaos Sorcery would not be an application of True Dhar, it becomes downgraded to only regular Dhar if it's used that way. It's only True Dhar if it's used for Dark Magic, which happens to be used only by Dark Elves. Hence my suspicion is that this is a differentiation invented by Dark Elves.
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Ah, of course. That's why we didn't meet any vengeful time-traveling students so far.
They're too busy getting high with Ranald to finish the time-traveling ritual.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
That seems like an odd way to take it considering that the book is basically written from the college magistrate point of view in aggregate. I suppose you could say that Teclis taught them that particular bit of bias, that said I think I can see a way to reconcile these differences. There's a reason Nagash invented Shyish tongs to work his brand of Necromancy and it's presumably because he simply couldn't use Dhar in the way the Dark Elven sorceress he captured taught him.
How I understand it is that humans can't work Dhar directly at least Nagash certainly didn't believe so.
The Dark Elves can work Dhar directly as it's something more than just winds incidentally curdled. Nagash created Shyish tongs to overcome that limitation of not working 'true dhar' correctly, he obviously didn't do it to avoid dhar poisoning because that's not what the Shyish tongs do. The tongs them selves also aren't actually involved in the spell directly either as it's a way of controlling the dhar and shaping it at a remove from the caster. Coming from a culture that had many centuries of magic use at this point he must have been aware of the poisoning effect of dhar.
For Nagash to go to the effort of creating Shyish tongs they have to have an effect that cannot be replicated by simply wielding dhar directly through the soul. The first secret is how to chain dhar, but it stands to reason that Nagash created Shyish tongs because he couldn't chain dhar with his soul directly.
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