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I find its sad for all of Hexensohn's fearsome reputation he just die like that, was hoping it against something or someone epic to kill a person of his rank, surely miscasts while fatal would had limited effect for his age and experience that its a combination of something else.
I get where you're coming from. After learning Jovi Sunscryer was a canon character, and what he did in canon, my opinion of him promptly went from "that one idiot" to "deep sorrow at a character who never got development."
 
Look at it this way, Sunscryer died for a good cause, it made Mathilde avoid learning (unsafe) battle magic which probably saved her live several times over.
this argument of yours never made sense to me.

just because mathy might know something doesn't mean she will throw it around willy nilly. (there are spells that she knows that she hasn't touched in years.

ya, it was to dangerous to learn before (with the towers thats a bit of a different story these days.)

but your implying that just knowing the spells would be a danger?
 
Hexensohn joined the campaign solely because he didn't trust Abel, he got what he deserved. -.-

I don't disagree, but still a shame he died in it own way.

I get where you're coming from. After learning Jovi Sunscryer was a canon character, and what he did in canon, my opinion of him promptly went from "that one idiot" to "deep sorrow at a character who never got development."

Well, look on the plus side: Whatever happens to Horstmann basically has to be an improvement.

Now you jinxed it. Everchosen Horstman time.

I'd say that becoming an Everchosen counts as an improvement compared to "just" being a Champion of Chaos.

Horstmann: Champion of Order is the best endgame we can get from. Costing Chaos a Champion is I think a win-win.
 
I maintain my completely baseless belief that quest!Horstmann's so-called heresy is just him working on combining Hysh and Dhar for even better daemon-smiting in secret.
 
Quest!Horstmann has been chafing to get out from under the nannying supervision of the Light Patriarch and show what he can do, but didn't go off the rails until just recently.
His peer, the Magister Dame (etc) Mathilde Weber who (indirectly) recruited him- giving this opportunity to shine- gets a sudden promotion right before the Expedition, just so the QM has another powerful NPC character with the authority to boss him around?
So unfair.
just because mathy might know something doesn't mean she will throw it around willy nilly. (there are spells that she knows that she hasn't touched in years.
Funny, I was thinking about this the other day. Mathilde used to cast Mindhole all the time, it was the source of some of our greatest, earliest victories, notably kidnapping von Stolpe and interrogating the Stirland League. Last time it was called out by name in an update was I think during our pre-Magister exam studies, and that only in comparison to Eye of the Beholder. Last use worthy of note may have been our contribution to cleaning up the Conspiracy (and killing that other Dame)?
 
this argument of yours never made sense to me.

just because mathy might know something doesn't mean she will throw it around willy nilly. (there are spells that she knows that she hasn't touched in years.

ya, it was to dangerous to learn before (with the towers thats a bit of a different story these days.)

but your implying that just knowing the spells would be a danger?

Well you have to learn the things with a -20 to the roll, so yes you could literally blow yourself up trying just to learn the especially since something like Pit of Shades is likely more unforgiving than say the Miasma
 
Funny, I was thinking about this the other day. Mathilde used to cast Mindhole all the time, it was the source of some of our greatest, earliest victories, notably kidnapping von Stolpe and interrogating the Stirland League. Last time it was called out by name in an update was I think during our pre-Magister exam studies, and that only in comparison to Eye of the Beholder. Last use worthy of note may have been our contribution to cleaning up the Conspiracy?
Part of it is that Mathilde has translated from Mission Impossible-style infiltration/kidnapping and espionage to Metal Gear Solid missions where no one will miss anyone we shank.
 
Funny, I was thinking about this the other day. Mathilde used to cast Mindhole all the time, it was the source of some of our greatest, earliest victories, notably kidnapping von Stolpe and interrogating the Stirland League. Last time it was called out by name in an update was I think during our pre-Magister exam studies, and that only in comparison to Eye of the Beholder. Last use worthy of note may have been our contribution to cleaning up the Conspiracy (and killing that other Dame)?
A large part of that is the change of job, don't need to Men in Black people as much when your not the spymaster.
 
In order for this to indicate sophistication or knowledge on the part of the perpetrator we must first assume that a barrel on a rope is a precision weapon. That it was even possible to guarantee a hit on any specific point. "Aim for the middle of the prow" is just the basic rule for targeting a ship like this. This is what rolling high looks like for people other than us.
Or possible like this

You've caught someone. Roll for who!

Rolling... 1

Erm. Well. Roll for how your trap did.

Rolling... 100.

Congrats on sinking one dwarfen riverbarge to the bottom!

What do you do now? Shoot the wreck, ok. Rolling... clean hit.

What do plan on doing about the other ships in the convoy?

Bravely running away it is, are you pursued? Rolling... 10.

Yes, but the rangers took to long to disembark, you make a clean getaway.
 
Plot twist: It turns out Alric is the Chaos Champion in hiding, and Horstman is merely his patsy/unwilling accomplice, help in place by threats and blackmail.

After all, what more classic a fall to darkness than that of the old has been, who was once held in such high regard, but has since fallen from grace, and now would do anything to get their former glory back.

:V
 
Well you have to learn the things with a -20 to the roll, so yes you could literally blow yourself up trying just to learn the especially since something like Pit of Shades is likely more unforgiving than say the Miasma
well, we are still eating that -20 creating spells, so the safe vs unsafe part of the argument is still a bit odd.

Mathy is aiming for super Wizard, completing the spellbook is an eventually, don't underestimate it, but don't fear it!
 
Plot twist: It turns out Alric is the Chaos Champion in hiding, and Horstman is merely his patsy/unwilling accomplice, help in place by threats and blackmail.

After all, what more classic a fall to darkness than that of the old has been, who was once held in such high regard, but has since fallen from grace, and now would do anything to get their former glory back.

:V
I mean, if certain parts of Horstman's canon backstory are true here, Alric got up to some pretty sketchy shit a couple decades ago.
 
Part of it is that Mathilde has translated from Mission Impossible-style infiltration/kidnapping and espionage to Metal Gear Solid missions where no one will miss anyone we shank.
Yeah. The player base was initially thrown by the gameplay genre change, from pure stealth-em-up to action-rpg with (frankly OP) auto-stealth mechanics. Still, once the sequel sorted the controls for restablishing stealth after breaking cover to attack- particularly a problem during the tough battle of Karagril multi-boss assassination mission, it's generally been well received.
 
Plot twist: It turns out Alric is the Chaos Champion in hiding, and Horstman is merely his patsy/unwilling accomplice, help in place by threats and blackmail.

After all, what more classic a fall to darkness than that of the old has been, who was once held in such high regard, but has since fallen from grace, and now would do anything to get their former glory back.

:V
My read is that he did get his glory back. By sheer inertia and stubbornness lending themselves to him doing what he did to get his former glory in the first place.
 
yes, thank you, i do enjoy my dyslexia pointed out and made fun of 3 times recently in this thread.

its great fun.

(I'm usually fine with it. but other people make spelling mistakes too and I'm not seeing them get shit over it.)
Take solace in the fact that even if what you write is so typo-ridden that it makes autocorrect delete itself out of horror, it'll still be better quality-wise than much of what comes out of the Black Library.
 
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