It wouldn't help learning the pure magic style from scratch, but that's not what they're for. Gleaning some new insights seems plausible at least. If nothing else, on who the magic interacts with dhar, which seems useful when you're dealing with a miscast.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Romv
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To be honest, I'm not sure what the point is of umbramancy. Is it just more raw power?
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The Eshin propably like the less destructive applications of Ulgu as well.
Just like many vampires learn Shysh as their second lore because it combines well with Necromancy.
Well for one it's magic you can empower with warp tokens. Imagine if we could substitute gold coins for power stones.
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Whole new group of spells.
Mostly more destructive, with a stronger shuriken-version of the shadow knives and some poison and weakening aspects to the some of the spells.
And this is important, because for all of how useful Ulgu is, its terrible at direct attack until you start flinging battlemagic. Adding Dhar makes it very good at killing things quickly, killing things slowly, killing things in groups and killing distance.
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Journeyman, patriarch, does not matter, wizard is a wizard is a wizard, and wizards will hold a united front against non wizards, which can lead to situations like in the Sylvania campaign where a Journeyman is in charge of an army that nominally includes a patriarch, and nobody will say anything about rank because that would be showing dissension to outsiders.
I think the reason may be far simpler than that. We were in charge as a member of Van Hall's council, which is a Sirland rank, not as a wizard.
I disagree. My browser crashed, so you're getting the short version, but Hexensohn (and the dwarf Thane and the former elven warlord) weren't in the chain of command. Journeyman Weber wasn't either, but Dame Mathilde the Spymaster was (since Gustav didn't want the position). So Hexensohn not complaining says nothing.
Also, the campaign was commanded by an EC. Mathilde only had one and a half battles.
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Also, If Hexensohn had been in the chain of command, he wouldn't have been able to bugger off and mess around the way he did.
Romv
A Memory of TREES
I don't see that as very distinctive, except that they are inherently stronger.
Shyish seems more like actual Death magic (eg Shyish doesn't have Raise Weaker Zombie), with necromancy being a perverted version of that.
Umbramancy just seems very similar to pure Ulgu.*
With what DragonParadox pointed out, Skaven do have a good reason to use it, but it doesn't do much for others.
*hmm a perverted version of sneakiness that doesn't give completely different results ... Lore of Disco Flashbangs? hmm needs some work
**Flashbacks to Mathilde buggering off to mess around during the retaking of K8Ps**
Well, he'd at least have to tell someone he's going to bugger off now.
But yes, the fact that he was there for a ~mysterious~ reason would mean he'd be reluctant to take a position where he has to be around.
Omegahugger
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Could our Arcane Marks theoretically be a relevant trait?
Hmm. A spell based on Laconic:
Mathilde's Abbreviation: Cast on target book or store of information. Acquire the condensed form of the information within. Useful for speed reading!
Not very Uglu though? Unless the book is really confusing.
She didn't? Except for the Dark Elf guest; otherwise Mathilde was focused during actual battles.
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That is the reason Mathilde was in charge.
But the wizards were there as volunteers and could have walked.
But instead of walking, or doing anything that might in anyway lower the prestige of the journeyman leading the army.
It's like the way one grey magister is not going to do anything to reduce the mysticism or image of another grey magister, except more general.
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The problem is that it doesn't line up with what Ulgu can do... if it was Hysh, well, we'd be making a Knock off version of what Cython did.
Ok, here's a tortured attempt to make it fit ulgu: Confuse reality into thinking the book is much shorter, allowing you to read it in the same time it would take you to read the blurb.
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Well, an alternative spell could simply just measure how confusing the books are, which should be possible. Confusion might not necessarily correlate to information though.
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I regret to report that "relevant trait" is well-defined.
It's not just "trait on Mathilde's sheet," it's one that says it unlocks stuff. Maybe mastering our Marks will yield new versions of our Mark traits that unlock spell creation, but the current ones don't.
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Well, maybe we could to timey-wimey shenanigans and measure our confusion about the topic before reading it and after reading it without actually reading it, and use that to measure how useful the book will be
She did. She went scouting by herself several times, and she but the fear of the dark into the Morr Skaven. That's worthwhile things to do, but it's definitely buggering off to mess around. We just had Kazador around to take up the commanding slack.
Laconic doesn't work, it has to be a special spell creation trait. We only have Warrior of Fog right now. The Arcane Marks might work, but I'd guess we'd have to controll them first.
Uhm, you do realise that all the wizards that survived the battle where Albelheim died did walk? The Amethyst didn't actually help us with the assault on the castle.
Well if they had walked out an Imperial army currently engaged with enemies of the Empire, especially on the grounds of 'I ain't serving under no journeyman I imagine the Emperor might have had a thing or two to say to them.'
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You'd need a mind to do the processing for you. Would you trust a bound apparition to be capable of identifying the useful and coherently separating it from the filler?
They walked because Hexensohn died (well probably died unless we got that confirmed - he's not Patriarch anymore at least).
Hexensohn was there partly to keep an eye on Abel and partly to tackle necromancers and vampires; he certainly didn't feel bound by the chain of command in any way.
She coordinated with the rest of the army - her going after Mors chieftans was simultaneous with Kazador's assault.
Belegar and Van Hal both occasionally led from the front; Kazador basically only leads from the front - that doesn't mean they don't work in conjunction with everyone else.
Hexensohn just did his own thing.
chocolote12
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Wizard Lords aren't beholden to the commands of nobles or the strategies of generals, though those often find their presence beneficial. They tend to try and achieve their own goals on the battlefield to the point that it even says so in the book, so Hexensohn's actions were fairly typical, as far as I can tell.
There was no other significant collegiate martial presence, so they had to attend themselves, if I understand their obligations correctly, but there was no rule that said they had to actually obey us or anything.
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