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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Elsewhere
[X] A Picnic in the Fields
[X] A Scenic Hike
[X] A Scenic Hike
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Uh. So. You remember back when we asked her whether she had any more superweapons up her sleeves and she said that none were ready for deployment? And how we were going nuts trying to figure out what Lord Magister Melkoth could have been doing hanging around our place for a whole year? Well, I think that we now know what one of those superweapons was and what he was doing: Apparently, having learned Smoke and Mirrors and probably Melkoth's Mystifying Miasma from the spell's inventor himself, Mathilde now considers herself ready to take an entire Karak.MoneyB said:
This is a fantastic idea.
I was thinking that, once we develop a bunch of fog-based BMs, we develop a "Fog of War" spell that combines all of them and can select between them appropriately. Like, normally when a Grey throws a fog down on the battlefield there's only one thing it could be doing, so an enemy commander can retreat or go around or otherwise avoid engaging until the debuff has gone away. When our Fog of War appears, though, all the enemy commander knows is that something is going to happen - maybe they need to disengage because there're debuffs flying around, maybe they need to advance to pin the enemy force because if they don't it'll be flanking one of their other units in a couple minutes, maybe they need to hold fast to receive a charge, maybe they need to urgently redeploy all their other units because that unit was an illusion the whole time.
The interesting question would be how Ulgu can be made easier to work with in general. We should ask Panoramia if there's any way she can learn Throne of Vines so she can share its secrets with us. I doubt that just saturating the whole battlefield in Mathilde-friendly Ulgu would do the trick. I like the idea of tying it into making army maneuvers better in general, since then we can draw on a conceptual framework of making the Fog of War work more strongly with us. Not sure how we'd arrive at that effect from the spells we know, though. Something with Universal Confusion?
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Well, we're making a fog bank of Ulgu that reaches out with tendrils of Ulgu to constantly be spinning out little Skywalks:
So the basic idea of 'a big lump of Ulgu that does stuff a whole bunch' is already here, apparently. If we manage the Fog Path spell as it's currently being envisioned we'll have the basic idea.
Then we decouple the core cloud from the skywalk module, and now we have a massive rolling fogbank with a core of solid Ulgu, and uncountable strands that aren't doing anything in particular, but could be doing a lot. It wouldn't do much on its own besides being a fogbank, but I bet we could make other spells to give it instructions, which would be easier to use than to set up an entire spell-environment in a single go. The idea of that cloud as a 'setup spell' is what brought me to compare it to the Throne of Vines in the first place.
And part of the issue with the spell-crafting is that skywalk is actually so weak that we have to be light with it or else it'll turn into Ulgu and stop working:
But we could probably do fewer instances of larger spells for the same general expenditure; ten one dollar bills or two five dollar bills, except it's flavorless petty and relatively simple Ulgu magic respectively.
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Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Right, that makes a lot of sense. So, less "Makes arbitrary Grey battle magics easier to cast" and more "Makes specially-modified Shadow Magics or Petty/Lesser Magics mass-castable at Battle Magic scale". It'd certainly fit Mathilde's paradigm; impairs visibility for everyone except her and lets her pivot to accomplish arbitrary effects as necessary.
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- Earth
It's a bit too late now, but...
Eh? Eh?
Alternatives:
[] Go for a ride... by shadowsteed.
Walking is nice. A tireless shadow horse at full gallop, on the other hand... well. Introduce Panoramia to this joy.
[] Brew some beer together.
Beer is made from plants, right? You like beer. Surely there must be a shared interest here somewhere.
Eh? Eh?
Alternatives:
[] Go for a ride... by shadowsteed.
Walking is nice. A tireless shadow horse at full gallop, on the other hand... well. Introduce Panoramia to this joy.
[] Brew some beer together.
Beer is made from plants, right? You like beer. Surely there must be a shared interest here somewhere.
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- Toronto, Ontario(occasionally)
I am cautiously optimistic about the expedition, but worrying about whether we can have the time to finish the spell, and invite along wizards, and invite along runesmiths. It's a lot of stuff to do in very little time.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
And it'd let us combo a few spells together that wouldn't normally see use on the battlefield.
Here's Doppleganger; not so useful on enemies, because they're not going to forget which side they're fighting on just because their uniform changed or whatever.
Toss something like this in, and their friends might, though.
On Alric, I could see from Belegar's perspective after mulling over it:
-The royal line is massively and publicly shamed by the two heirs for the crown murdering each other.
-There are many oaths and pacts binding the royal clan to other Karaks and the hold itself.
As such from a Dwarf King's perspective, the solutions are:
-Alric goes Slayer and abdicates - Cleanest solution, the crown passes to someone who is eccentric, but clean of any misdeed, being halfway around the world reclaiming a Lost Hold. No oaths are broken.
-Alric dies to a third party or accident - Second cleanest solution. There will be a Grudge that'd need to be addressed by Ulthar and the hold, but this is not a new problem. Everyone pretends nothing happened.
-Internal revolt - Messy as hell but contained to Karak. The ringleaders of such a revolt almost certainly would go Slayer from the shame of breaking oath(as such Ulthar must be completely isolated from such a revolt) and it'd probably touch on their clans too.
-The Karaz Ankor can no longer stand for it - Worst case scenario, it'd have to be War, Shame and Broken Oaths.
I believe its likely that conflicting honor and shame would probably have Alric die to a Lone Gunman who'd proceed to go Slayer right after.
You can cast a spell to TAP energies but its very unlikely to have a spell that generates more energy than it uses.
-The royal line is massively and publicly shamed by the two heirs for the crown murdering each other.
-There are many oaths and pacts binding the royal clan to other Karaks and the hold itself.
As such from a Dwarf King's perspective, the solutions are:
-Alric goes Slayer and abdicates - Cleanest solution, the crown passes to someone who is eccentric, but clean of any misdeed, being halfway around the world reclaiming a Lost Hold. No oaths are broken.
-Alric dies to a third party or accident - Second cleanest solution. There will be a Grudge that'd need to be addressed by Ulthar and the hold, but this is not a new problem. Everyone pretends nothing happened.
-Internal revolt - Messy as hell but contained to Karak. The ringleaders of such a revolt almost certainly would go Slayer from the shame of breaking oath(as such Ulthar must be completely isolated from such a revolt) and it'd probably touch on their clans too.
-The Karaz Ankor can no longer stand for it - Worst case scenario, it'd have to be War, Shame and Broken Oaths.
I believe its likely that conflicting honor and shame would probably have Alric die to a Lone Gunman who'd proceed to go Slayer right after.
Keep in mind that Throne of Vines taps on a specific Ghyran quality, in that theres vast amounts of Ghyran/life sleeping beneath the earth, and the Throne connects the caster to the reservoir.
You can cast a spell to TAP energies but its very unlikely to have a spell that generates more energy than it uses.
I remember brushing with charcoal (but not piss fortunately) more than a few times. It was a interesting taste. Thanks for the nostalgia trip.
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- Florida
[X] Drinks and Dice
Changing my vote.
Changing my vote.
I think you're underestimating the very real possibility that the status quo just keeps rolling along for years, or even decades. Alrik is shamed, but if he refrains from doing anything to further aggravate the situation then it might turn into an eternal ulcer that nobody likes but nobody has enough stake to do anything about it. I mean, it's already been years. Alrik could very well push through, probably much less effective as king because nobody respects him, but hanging on anyway. Everybody gets used to it.
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- Toronto, Ontario(occasionally)
How much Ulgu-aspected energy is there in the boundary between the warp and reality? I mean we see the snake drag energy across without breaking the boundary anyway.
Probably completely out of our trait range anyway, so not a viable question.
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Not safe pure Ulgu I think, that'd probably be an Hour Of Power thing.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Before elfcation we need to bump our diplomacy. Take the elf diplo course finish bret and kislev for +3 diplo and the explicit benefit of jhaving at least basic elf plomacy.
Not that I recall. Do you have some specific use or need for aged hard liquor that I cannot think of? Of course, the really important question is, can you convince the thread to spend AP on it?
Plus both the Bright and Jade Colleges have spells that make alcohol. I think that niche is covered.
Ekzentric Lohner
I miss Wildstar...
This reminds me of what's happening in Kislev in Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism - Tzarina Kattarin is deliberately strengthening their pantheon (the Ancient Widow, Ursun, Tor, Dazh, Salyak, and Kalita) through both propaganda and policy, and her eldest children have each managed to gain the visible blessing of a different Kislevite deity.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
The Greys also have a way of making alcohol appear. They hide themselves and steal it off the Brights and Jades, because the bloody bastards won't share.
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
@BoneyM If we were to die before claiming the boon (and don't include a clause regarding it in our will either), how would King Belegar handle that? I assume that if someone is to blame for our death the boon would go towards avenging us, but what if we just have a heart attack or something? Would King Belegar try to find our forgotten peasant family or would his relationship with us have made it clear that we consider, say, Regimand or the Grey College as a whole our rightful successors? Or would he just invest it in our legacy by consulting those who knew us best (including himself) or worse, carry it as an eternal burden of Clan Angrund?
Speaking of inheritance, could, based on Imperial Law, one of our biological siblings come out of the woodworks and lay claim to our little fiefdom by Sonnigwiese after our death (provided they remember their lost sister, notice the surname and have someone whose word is worth something backing their claim) or does a knight's fief go back to their liege anyway?
Speaking of inheritance, could, based on Imperial Law, one of our biological siblings come out of the woodworks and lay claim to our little fiefdom by Sonnigwiese after our death (provided they remember their lost sister, notice the surname and have someone whose word is worth something backing their claim) or does a knight's fief go back to their liege anyway?
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What do we know about this Salkaten dockworker, anyways? What sort of nefarious secrets are they hiding? Maybe we should investigate...
We've been told that if Mathilde dies we'll get to retroactively write her will. So to not include something about the boon would be a deliberate choice by the playerbase, and I don't see either us or Mathilde making that odd choice.