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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Garlak said:
For those of us that want a romance, and that want a romance with a human, with somebody who's our freakin' age and culture and all, rather than somebody a hundred or a thousand times older and a non-humanoid race to boot. >< Like, seriously, is it too much to ask we pick somebody who's a human? For romance?
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C'mooon~! Where's your sense of excitement? Of adventure? Mathilde isn't a standard or normal anything, and I believe that her outlook on romance should reflect this.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
The new Skywalk is probably optimal in the computer sense as it requires the fewest and simplest operations.

It's also complex in the computer sense as that's a tremendously complex code, but it's easier on what's going to run it than an easy to program and understand but more costly solution.
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It's optimal in the sense of requiring the least amount of Ulgu to achieve for an Ulgu spell which is its self casting an Ulgu spell yes. Which means that we need less Ulgu in the core spell to power the thing making it a 'simpler spell' I suspect that ultimately the difrference between Fiendshly complicated spells and battle magic isn't in complexity but in the sheer amount of power required to achieve it, in that sense I suppose Mathilde could be working on making it cheaper so that it's not ensured to be a Battle magic spell to cast, or if its battle magic it's not boosted battle magic tier or to ensure it's not a catacylsm grade battle magic spell instead of boosted BM.

That's my understanding of why it's important to limit the cost of the spell.
 
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BoneyM said:
Please link these posts so I can respond to them and tell them not to do that.
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Well, Redshirt Army says he wants to be platonic besties. Philia, rather than eros. That might be the type of thing being referenced.
Redshirt Army said:
@Garlak

I am absolutely, totally, 100% behind the idea of a romantic relationship with a Dragon. Not a sexual one, a romantic one.

There's significant precedence for the idea, both in general media (stories about the bond between a human and their animal companion comes up in basically all cultures on earth), and in Warhammer specifically - observe the bonds between elven dragon riders and their companions, or even Elspeth and the Encarmine Dragon she has befriended.

Acting like this is some utterly whacky and nonsensical idea that people must be warned away from due to them misreading the vote is frankly uncharitable towards the intelligence of the thread.
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Jeopardizer said:
If I want to adjust a thing or two of my vote, do I just need to edit a strike-through one of the options?
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The tally only counts the most recent post with votes in it, so you can either edit the post you voted in to remove what you don't want to vote for, or make a new post with the vote you want to make.

Klaus said:
Well, Redshirt Army says he wants to be platonic besties. Philia, rather than eros. That might be the type of thing being referenced.
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Someone voting romance because they want a romantic relationship is exactly correct.
 
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[X] [ROMANCE] The Ice Dragon of Karag Zilfin
[X] Belegar, to discuss the northern Karaks and the Expedition.
[X] Kasmir, to see how he's keeping himself busy in Sylvania.

I'm fine with Pan winning, and I suspect the Dragon might reject our advances or it would at least be a long courting, but we have to at least try.
 
[X] [ROMANCE] Journeywoman Panoramia
[X] [ROMANCE] Elector Countess Roswita van Hal
[X] [ROMANCE] Baron Anton Kiesinger II
[X] Belegar, to discuss the northern Karaks and the Expedition.
[X] Barak Varr, to watch the progress of the canal.
[X] Stirland, to see for yourself how the war against Sylvania is progressing.
[X] Kasmir, to see how he's keeping himself busy in Sylvania.
[X] Julia, to see what she has gotten up to as Stirland's most experienced spy master.
[X] Eike Hochschild, to get to know your future business partner.
[X] The Amber College, to check in on the salamanders.
[X] The Gold College, to see what's become of their research into Skaven technology.
[X] Follow up on your donation of the Skaven organ-vat, and see what has been made of it.
[X] Pay a visit to your fief, to see if anything has changed. It probably hasn't.
 
chocolote12 said:
If we get Cython to care about our well being, they might sit in front of our only door when they hear we're going on suicide missions and not let us leave. Bam, instant 'damsel locked inside the highest room of the tallest tower of a fortress at the corner of civilization, guarded by a fearsome dragon' story. It even comes with a backstory explanation for why an otherwise normally proportioned building can even fit a dragon inside it. :V
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Yes, please.

Seriously though, a scene like that would be great, no matter who her partner turns out to be. Though it would be best with the dragon.
 
[X] [ROMANCE] Magister Johann
[X] Belegar, to discuss the northern Karaks and the Expedition.
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart, leader of the frontier town of Ulrikadrin.
[X] Barak Varr, to watch the progress of the canal.
[X] Stirland, to see for yourself how the war against Sylvania is progressing.
[X] Kasmir, to see how he's keeping himself busy in Sylvania.
[X] The Gold College, to see what's become of their research into Skaven technology.
 
[X] [ROMANCE] The Ice Dragon of Karag Zilfin

[X] Kasmir, to see how he's keeping himself busy in Sylvania.
[X] Belegar, to discuss the northern Karaks and the Expedition.
[X] Follow up on your donation of the Skaven organ-vat, and see what has been made of it.
 
[x] Belegar, to discuss the northern Karaks and the Expedition.
[X] Julia, to see what she has gotten up to as Stirland's most experienced spy master.
[X] Eike Hochschild, to get to know your future business partner.
 
[X] Kasmir, to see how he's keeping himself busy in Sylvania.
[X] Belegar, to discuss the northern Karaks and the Expedition.
[X] Julia, to see what she has gotten up to as Stirland's most experienced spy master.
[X] Eike Hochschild, to get to know your future business partner.
[X] Barak Varr, to watch the progress of the canal.

[X] [ROMANCE] Magister Johann
 
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BoneyM said:
Someone voting romance because they want a romantic relationship is exactly correct.
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"Romantic" in the Byronic, literary movement sense such as the relationship between a boy and his horse and "Romantic" in the love-sex-dating sense are not at all the same concept and I must register my objection to them being treated as interchangeable just because they share the same spelling. I know this won't make a difference, but that kind of thing bothers me.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again: one of the most important things to consider for a quest romance candidate is how narratively important that character is, i.e. how likely it is that we'll want to do things together with them. A character with high narrative importance will naturally appear a lot and hang around Mathilde (or Mathilde will hang around them, same difference), making for easy scenes that have romantic subtext but aren't just about romance. A great example is Natasha in DADA, as she has great involvement in almost all that Frederick does. If a character does not have narrative importance, they are likely to be relegated to occasional romantic scenes that are otherwise completely divorced from the rest of events.

Out of the current top 3, it is my opinion that Johann has the greatest obvious narrative importance as both adventure buddy and fellow researcher. Cython's is also pretty good, because even if we don't romance them, we're still likely to hang around, and they are generally fascinating. Cython is probably not super likely to involve themself directly in stuff Mathilde does... though that might change depending on how strongly they want to involve in Mathilde's life. Panoramia is in my mind the weakest narratively - she spends all her time doing agriculture, which Mathilde has no reason to participate in, and doesn't seem inclined to venture out or engage in research. The only real meeting points are, potentially, Waystones (and then she's not likely to be the prime specialist we'd contact, being a Journeywoman), and defense of K8P if something attacks it.

Out of the other candidates, Roswita seems to have pretty good narrative relevance, since we do care for Stirland, Anton has less, and Oswald has barely any.
 
[X] [ROMANCE] Baron Anton Kiesinger II
[X] [ROMANCE] Journeywoman Panoramia
[X] [ROMANCE] Magister Johann

[X] Belegar, to discuss the northern Karaks and the Expedition.
[X] Gretel, who's apparently spending her newly-earned wealth to make herself at home.
[X] Stirland, to see for yourself how the war against Sylvania is progressing.
[X] Barak Varr, to watch the progress of the canal.
[X] Kasmir, to see how he's keeping himself busy in Sylvania.
 
Hmm. What Magister things is Mathilde the leading expert on. When it comes to non-magister things Mathilde is probably the leading expert on Dwarf politics, Dwarf Hold scouting, combating Greenskin magic, countering Undead military tactics, the We, and all things Skaven (tied with Johann for their technology).
 
[X] [ROMANCE] Magister Johann
[X] [ROMANCE] Baron Anton Kiesinger II

[X] Hubert, as he settles in to his niche with Ulrikadrin.

[X] Belegar, to discuss the northern Karaks and the Expedition.

[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart, leader of the frontier town of Ulrikadrin.

[X] Kasmir, to see how he's keeping himself busy in Sylvania.
[X] Julia, to see what she has gotten up to as Stirland's most experienced spy master.
[X] Eike Hochschild, to get to know your future business partner.

[X] Barak Varr, to watch the progress of the canal.

I genuinely do not see the appeal of romance with the dragon.
 
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BoneyM said:
Religious secrets being both plentiful and deadly serious is baked into the setting. The Jade College are canonically a rebranding of a fertility cult older than the Empire.
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I don't see how that matters tbh, like okay say Panoramia tells Mathilde about these secrets. Why does that give the Jade college free reign to murder Mathilde? What you're saying here is that basically the Jade college can use this secret as a "I can murder any one I want card." what if Mathilde gets the information and spreads it in the colleges of magic as a whole?

I assume this is very heavily related to the way stones in which case it makes it even worse because chances are if we do any research on the way stones we may independantly learn this information and the Jade college has no way to know if we did that independantly or from Pan and therefore they're allowed to murder Mathilde.

Religious secrets doesn't give the cults carte blanche to murder who ever they want, not even the Sigmarites wield that level of power overtly, maybe I'm misreading this but it feels very strange that the colleges and the cults can act so easily outside of the law, I realise that the law is a weak thing in the empire but this still feels wrong.


Rafin said:
Hmm. What Magister things is Mathilde the leading expert on. When it comes to non-magister things Mathilde is probably the leading expert on Dwarf politics, Dwarf Hold scouting, combating Greenskin magic, countering Undead military tactics, the We, and all things Skaven (tied with Johann for their technology).
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Well for one thing countering green skin magic is a Magister thing. You can't do that as a human with out being a magic user. (priests are still magic users) secondly I'd say Mathildes knowledge of fog based magic will be something she's the leading expert on as we don't know of any one else with her fog trait and we're in the process of making a battle magic fog spell and we're off to a very good start.
 
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BoneyM said:
Please link these posts so I can respond to them and tell them not to do that.
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I think that was a major factor in the last round of votes, and the fear is that some people may not have realized that the context has changed. I don't think anybody's expressed it this time around, though the amount of people calling it funny is a slightly worrisome indicator of 'meme-voting.'

Ericwinter said:
...With Mathilde's sword, that's actually A pretty good thing. Hell, we probably hit harder than the dragon.
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I dunno, I'm not sure a cannonball's worth of force competes with the dragon's sheer mass in F=ma.
 
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