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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Gazul-lore definitely seems useful for Theurgy given that it gives us information on gods and their blessings. Also, some more info on the Gazul oaths and what species we are required to observe them on.
BoneyM said:
For the purposes of this oath: Morr, Gazul, any Estalian/Tilean/Brettonian/Kislev equivalents if they don't use Morr, and if the Halflings have a separate Death God, them too.

Part of the Gazul-lore would also be 'how to spot a blessing' and 'how to re-sanctify a breached tomb'. And Gazul's 'blessings' are along the lines of 'seal the place so goddamn tight that Skaven could try for three thousand years and not break in' so even if you wanted to, breaking that part could be a challenge.
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BoneyM said:
Elves can take care of their own problems. Nehekharans can too, except in this case it's less 'we don't care enough to Grudge you over messing with them' and more 'if the dead will get up and chase you that's not our jurisdiction and also good luck because they're scary as fuck'.
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Also, how the oaths interact with The Book.
BoneyM said:
There's still all sorts of reasons not to let on that you have The Book, but Dwarven opinion isn't one of them. For them, 'forbidden knowledge' would mean Guild Secrets, and as any 'Guild of Necromancers' would not be recognized by Dwarven society as anything but an enemy to be destroyed, their secrets are fair game.
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veekie said:
Skaven are more than ten times bigger than snotlings. A hole in the wall to a Skaven is a tunnel to a Snotling.
Vampires are defiled dead and inherently belong in a tomb rather than running around, by all death god standards I think
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Snotlings without Orcs are We fodder and any gap that could be made passable by an Orc will have long been exploited by a hungry Skavenslave to go thieving. Having been known before that as a source of goblins (threats to be stopped) and snotlings (free protein) from Grobi-town.

We still need forces patrolling down there just in case but I don't buy greenskins suddenly becoming an order of magnitude faster at digging than they've been in the millennia of the quest's backstory.
 
Gazul Lore would be neat, but hampered by them not running on the same Warp as us. It's like studying Linux to become a better programmer in a strictly an-other-operating-system world.

We have so many options before immediately purchasing the big thing that actually has consequences.

And I'm pretty sure I do want to talk to necromancers and vampires without being obligated to burn them, if we're counting Nehekharans. How else are we going to develop the (newly developed) Ancient Egyptian Shadow Magic?
 
noliar said:
Snotlings without Orcs are We fodder and any gap that could be made passable by an Orc will have long been exploited by a hungry Skavenslave to go thieving. Having been known before that as a source of goblins (threats to be stopped) and snotlings (free protein) from Grobi-town.

We still need forces patrolling down there just in case but I don't buy greenskins suddenly becoming an order of magnitude faster at digging than they've been in the millennia of the quest's backstory.
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The problem is that Snotlings bring orc spores.

All it takes is one snotlings escaping into the Under Caldera to start the fungal infestation, especially when there isn't enough manpower to scour the whole place, nevermind patrol it sufficiently to notice before pockets of orcs start showing up behind our defenses. You could fit the whole Karaz Ankor in the space.

And Ranald forbid that one makes it into the Trench or some other area we can't physically scour in the next century and we get to deal with goblin and snotling sappers from below any time, anywhere.
 
Exmorri said:
This must be how Sigmar already feels about the people shipping him with Ulric. :V (I don't actually know of any such people, but they must theoretically exist, right?)
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I haven't considered it before, but:

1. Sigmar was once a devotee of Ulric
2. Both Warrior-Gods
3. Haven't killed each other at any point in spite of rivalry
4. Ulric could probably have killed Sigmar's ascension or at least made it harder if he wanted to
5. As far as I am aware, neither Sigmar nor Ulric married in either their mortal or divine lives nor had any children. In particular they had no lovers.

This is my new ship.
 
Briefvoice said:
The remaining 10%? Well hopefull Boney would take pity and throw us something useful, but I really doubt it would open any paths to get anywhere we can't already get by other means.
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I think it's very far from the truth. I think Gazul lore will be 1/3 witchhunting, 1/3 soul stuff and 1/3 on "how to conquest and claim a warp realm" - all three pretty cool topics.
 
veekie said:
Well, its certainly a Gunnar conversational topic afterwards.

Indecisive fits the recent events, where his followers are at war with HIS god's followers to the detriment of the Empire AND the dwarves, and he doesn't seem to be doing jack.

Personal suspicion is that he can't, he MUST act through the medium of a suitably faithful worshipper who believes that he would act...and the politics have been polarizing enough that any worshipper who could, have avoided the whole clusterfuck and thus denied him the ability to intervene even if he wanted.
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Man, sure sucks that he doesnt have like a conduit of his energy dumped into someone that he can enact meaningful change through.

Some sort of cool prince and Emperor for the most wide-reaching effect and the ability to unite the provinces.


too bad he doesnt have that doesnt he. Jee I wonder why, you'd think that with his position he'd know how. I mean look at Magnus the Pious.
 
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Lupercal said:
We can follow multiple gods. We're not a henotheist! What a Sigmarite thing to suggest.:V
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We still probably have the opportunity to straight up get that Polytheist trait. Heck, it would probably be even more appropriate now than after the Expedition, considering all the Morrite and Ancestor God lore we've picked up since.

Pempelune said:
Swearing an oath never to defile the dead is a terrible thing to do to @Omegahugger :(
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Okay, but look at it this way: when you think about it, Omegahugger's thing isn't really about defiling the dead, its about letting the dead defile us. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Aegon Targaryen said:
"... being an indecisive mollusk, though any that far in their God's graces is a dangerous being that should be murdered with extreme impunity"
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Remember, being paraplegic is a sign of Khorate loyalties. As such, serpents and other such legless beings are clearly heralds of the Blood God.

*cue Slaaneshi laughter*
*cue Khornate reeeeeing*

zup said:
I had a terrifying idea...

If Mathilde ascends and big part of her legend is helping dwarfs, does this mean she will be shipped with Sigmar?
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It would amuse me to see Mathilde get a weird demi-Dwarfish boogeyman/angel of judgement/Christmas Ghosts, where on one hand she lurk in the shadows and tries to tempt the most heroic and virtuous of Sigmar's followers from His light and encourage them to embrace a different god, but on the other hand she stalks the most shallow and self-serving of those who claim to serve Him, glaring at them with disapproval and castigating them for being so fucking bad at their own faith.
 
Shard said:
I haven't considered it before, but:

1. Sigmar was once a devotee of Ulric
2. Both Warrior-Gods
3. Haven't killed each other at any point in spite of rivalry
4. Ulric could probably have killed Sigmar's ascension or at least made it harder if he wanted to
5. As far as I am aware, neither Sigmar nor Ulric married in either their mortal or divine lives nor had any children. In particular they had no lovers.

This is my new ship.
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I see it more as a Senpai/Kohai relationship... which, of course, does not exclude the other interpretation :V
 
ichypa said:
It would amuse me to see Mathilde get a weird demi-Dwarfish boogeyman/angel of judgement/Christmas Ghosts, where on one hand she lurk in the shadows and tries to tempt the most heroic and virtuous of Sigmar's followers from His light and encourage them to embrace a different god, but on the other hand she stalks the most shallow and self-serving of those who claim to serve Him, glaring at them with disapproval and castigating them for being so fucking bad at their own faith.
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You realize that you are describing the devil, right? :V
 
DragonParadox said:
Runesmiths do not write their lore down ever. It's why so much was lost.
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So they should write stupidity and hubris in the grudge book, and eliminate those first.
Lets hope with cheap supply of paper from the east ( it will happen. sooner if the line are opened long enough) and a good habit of journaling will become a habit for Dwarven journeydwarf.

ichypa said:
We still probably have the opportunity to straight up get that Polytheist trait. Heck, it would probably be even more appropriate now than after the Expedition, considering all the Morrite and Ancestor God lore we've picked up since.


Okay, but look at it this way: when you think about it, Omegahugger's thing isn't really about defiling the dead, its about letting the dead defile us. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


Remember, being paraplegic is a sign of Khorate loyalties. As such, serpents and other such legless beings are clearly heralds of the Blood God.

*cue Slaaneshi laughter*
*cue Khornate reeeeeing*


It would amuse me to see Mathilde get a weird demi-Dwarfish boogeyman/angel of judgement/Christmas Ghosts, where on one hand she lurk in the shadows and tries to tempt the most heroic and virtuous of Sigmar's followers from His light and encourage them to embrace a different god, but on the other hand she stalks the most shallow and self-serving of those who claim to serve Him, glaring at them with disapproval and castigating them for being so fucking bad at their own faith.
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Baba Yaga!

" Did i ever told you of a time when she kills an Orc Army with her mountain's Shadow? No? With a Goddammed Shadow"
" All of this over a Dog?", " RANALD GAVE ME THAT DOG!"


And to a degree, with her two 8 shot revolver (which we/she seldom use i might add), she might be one of the few who can pull a central axis relock, at renaissanse age.

Now if she can only reload using a combination of Rune of the Unknown and something else..
 
veekie said:
The problem is that Snotlings bring orc spores.

All it takes is one snotlings escaping into the Under Caldera to start the fungal infestation, especially when there isn't enough manpower to scour the whole place, nevermind patrol it sufficiently to notice before pockets of orcs start showing up behind our defenses. You could fit the whole Karaz Ankor in the space.

And Ranald forbid that one makes it into the Trench or some other area we can't physically scour in the next century and we get to deal with goblin and snotling sappers from below any time, anywhere.
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We could probably train dogs to sniff orcoids. It would make everything significantly easier.
 
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