chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
The problem with that is that where Orcs are involved, everything smells like orcs.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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One could argue that an orc reeks more of orc than spores and fungi...but I truly don't know how they smell, so that's for Wolf to decide.
Without actual knowledge, my idea is that 'proteins are not nutrients' and while protein denatures with heat, the base elements don't. Might be fine, might not, depending on if the rest of the soil ecosystem is important and can't be replaced (unlikely, with halflings and a jade mage).
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Tbitlopb2
(Unverified eldritch abomination)
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Sigmar is still Ulric's greatest devotee...if he ever found out about what his cult did to the Ulricans he'd probably explode...also Ulric is the reason Sigmar is a god, we learn in the end times as Ulric gives the last of his life to help Sigmar that it was the wolf god that welcomed him to the pantheon. The last point about Sigmar not having kids...I'm pretty sure Valten is somehow related to him...or super blessed, but he did have a lover, she was a part of his tribe but she died and there's not much info about her.
The End Times isn't canon for this quest, and there's a fair chance that Sigmar the God and Sigmar the person are different things, with the latter being created in the Aethyr by people's worship of the former a few decades after he died.
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Sudden plot twist, the Bird Burdmuncha munched on was a Lord of Change and he is now possessed, allowing him to survive the Eye of Gazul. Time for Round 2.
Tbitlopb2
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Oh...yeah, I remember that now. Sad, I liked the End times.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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It's cultural hang-up. Dwarfs, as a whole, believe that you should only teach secrets to the worthy. Who decides who is worthy generally depends on the context, but for instance, a master of a craft is generally very picky on who he accepts as an apprentice.
Just look at Kragg, who has been alive for 1,500 years and whose death would represent a massive loss of rune-lore, who still hasn't found an apprentice that he considers worth his time.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
If a phenomena creates a warp entity with the property of 'I am actually this guy, who went from being a mortal to being a god', it's kind of weird to say that they can manage miracles like healing their friends, or destroying their foes, or the manipulation of fate, chance, and destiny, but not manage the much simpler trick of being formed around the aethyric kernel that is one person's soul in particular.
I mean, as far as plot twists go that would both explain why exactly he's called Birdmuncha with something approaching awe, and also give him what I would consider a legitimate reason for continuing to pose a threat under the combined fire of a castle's worth of artillery and two Runelords. If he had to return, I wouldn't mind this twist in particular.
Mopman43
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Volkmar the Grim is a descendant of Sigmar. I don't know if that's true outside of the Endtimes though.
I actually agree. The name seems kind of silly, but if he actually turned a Greater Demon into a Kentucky Fried Chicken meal that would explain fairly well how he managed to become the Boss of a Waaagh that rivals some of the greatest Waaaghs in history in size despite only just starting its rampage. And i am pretty sure even a Greater Demon would be something we can handle with the expertise avaiable in K8P right now. Would be ugly, though.
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And might explain why gork and mork didnt intervein.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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Its worth remembering the "old scar" was not describing K8P itself but was acting as a qualifier and descriptor for the *type* of attention being cast our way. I.e minimal annoyance.
Meh. There's spores down there already. Killing greenskins as they flare up is going to be an ongoing security task forever just as it is anywhere they've ever lived or been brought as food or prey. Better tunnel hygiene today might reduce the number of actual encounters over the next couple of decades but the resources for patrols and scouring will have to be committed come what may.
The odds are very much against sufficient already spawned greenskins making it down there to be serious threats to the people and property of K8P in the next week. Compared to the other avenues where shit could go wrong on a tactically relevant timescale it makes no sense to put Mathilde down there rather than in reserve. Especially when you consider that sensing some snotlings get excited about finding a downward path doesn't necessarily let you intercept them even if you get a direction because your reaction force is constrained to existing tunnels of which Mathilde can only be in one at a time and a near miss means hundreds of tons of rock between us and them
If the snotling sappers really worry you, send out work parties to police up the hundreds of tons of orc clothing now vacant in the caldera, stuff it in the hole entrances and set light to it. However, sapping is the work of days to weeks and proper tunnelling is the work of months to years and nothing in Warhammer lore suggests greenskins bypass that - better they dig than come back to the surface and attack people.
It doesn't necessarily have that property. For example, both Ulric and Sigmar's Cults believe that their god is the head of the pantheon. Some parts of of Ranald's cult believes that he's a mortal that ascended, while others believe that he was always a god and he manifested a physical avatar as part of his long con of Shallya to steal one of her Tears. Different versions, indeed, mutually exclusive versions of the same god can grant spells to priests that oppose each other based on that conflict. Teclis taught, '"These 'miracles' that your Human priests believe to be demonstrations of the direct intervention of Gods are just spells of another kind. Aethyrically sensitive priests channel quite unwittingly elements of the Aethyr's Winds through convoluted rituals and great faith, and then shape it with their conscious and subconscious expectations. Just as the Gods themselves are created and shaped by mortal endeavours and expectations, so are their blessings." He probably knows what he's talking about. When a priest communes with their god, there's a fair chance that they're talking with that part of the Aethyr which matches their expectation of what their god will be like.
Note the reference is there being Winds in the Aethyr, which is interesting, but could be related to how gods are sometimes described as storms or vortices in the Aethyr.
I think Belegar's point is that there aren't orc spores down there, because the skaven kept eating the greenskin system until they'd decontaminated the place. We're seeking to prevent snotlings carrying in spores and reestablishing a foothold.
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BungieONI
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What Mathilde can do is tell them where any breach point is exactly if any Snotlings or orcs somehow manage to find a crevasse or other point of soft dirt through which to dig into the Under Caldera.
[X] Patrolling the Under-Caldera with Dreng and Gunnars.
Also more time with Dreng who we have barely interacted with
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
It's the founding mythos of the being: 'we are praying to the guy who created the Empire'. If the entity isn't the guy who made the empire it isn't the one they're praying to. It might be different for a god that nobody is quite sure how they came into existence, but the people of the Empire have a clear line of history from his birth to his ascension; when they pray to him, they couldn't really mean anybody else. Plus, he has continuity as a greater servitor of Ulric before his cult split.
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Yes, but there's no reason that warp god Sigmar and human Sigmar have to have any continuity of identity. They can worship a god created in the warp by people's reverence for the human Sigmar without that being problem. It's the same way that a person can die and a statue can be erected in their memory.
Now, the god could have formed around a soul like a pearl around a piece of grit, or it could have no continuity at all. We don't really know the metaphysics in enough detail to know what did happen, or what could happen. It could be possible, for example that a god can be based on a single mortal soul, but Sigmar isn't an example of it, and is instead a later facsimile, or that they can be created based on a soul, and Sigmar is one, or that it's not possible, and it's a facsimile.
The difference between the two could also be meaningless, based on what happens when souls enter the Aethyr. If they don't retain a coherent identity there, and people worship an accurate enough narrative, then the warp vortex that's formed may encompass the distributed elements of that soul.
We just don't know.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
But if it's a magical statue that does what people think it can do, and people think it can be the person who it was erected in the memory of, why can it do all the other things they want it to do, but not be him? When you look at all the other things gods get up to, it actually being him when its entire existence as an object of worship is predicated on being him would be really simple in comparison, you know?
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She can say "they're making progress that way" but doesn't mean they'll intercept a section of tunnel that her forces can get to in a timely manner rather than a completely different tunnel that passes nearby spatially but doesn't connect conveniently or worse some crack that's a highway for snotlings but an armoured dwarf couldn't run down.
Basically, if they can dig so fast that they're tonight's problem she's only going to catch any at all on crits.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
That's a legitimate worry, but also why Mathilde is so vital for the job; she can see them through walls, and so knows exactly where they're coming through, even if their tunnel never directly connects to anything already established.
BungieONI
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Okay? Telling them they're going *that way* is useful, because preparation is a wonderful thing.
She can see through walls when it comes to orcs and Snotlings and no one else can. Telling them they're coming through *that way* means that dwarves can prepare to receive our unwelcome guests and then know exactly where to seal things back up.
There are likely no spores down there in the Under Caldera as others have said and Mathilde is uniquely suited to making sure that it stays that way.
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We will know when we ascend.
The forward of the book of the goddess of magic and shadows.
'Ok people, let's keep things straight. I laid out everything about my personality as straightforwardly as I could in section three. I don't what "alternative interpretations" or "hidden meanings" or shit like that. I swear to me if anyone try's that I will smite you! I like being me...
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