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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Deathbybunnies said:
I noticed that apart from the possibility of literal divine intervention, there wasn't even an attempt at counterspelling. It looks like the theory that they were out of Shamans, possibly for Mork-related reasons, was correct.
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The update itself mentions Birdmuncha conferring with Shamans, so that's not it.
BoneyM said:
The Wagons circle around Birdmuncha's and the Warboss confers with the Big Bosses and Shamans that they contain.
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Perhaps the Shamans were distracted and not prepared to counterspell. There was a lot of Waaagh energy around to use, but I don't know. Maybe Gazul, maybe the quasi-divine nature of the weapon...
LockedMind said:
Oh, I probably should tell Grimnir about this, so he could send some dreams and tell Thorgrim to write grudges against weed in Dammaz Kron.
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And thus was Halfling Pipeleaf sadly made illegal throughout the Karaz Ankor, to the disappointment of wandering old prospector longbeards everywhere.
 
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veekie said:
Going to bed, just read the update, and a thought of mine is that: This is a weapon best used against small to medium sized raiding forces, because unleashing Gazul's Flame on the equivalent population to a city is almost certainly going to attract potential for divine intervention on account of sheer volume of deaths instantaneously.

It melts Waaghs good, but it also represents enough kill to account for a really big sacrifice...
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Sacrifice to who though?
Because I don't see deaths inflicted by a weapon imbued with Dawi hellfire being a viable sacrifice to a god of a Dawi racial enemy.
 
Alliterate said:
The update itself mentions Birdmuncha conferring with Shamans, so that's not it.

Perhaps the Shamans were distracted and not prepared to counterspell. There was a lot of Waaagh energy around, but I don't know.

And thus was Halfling Pipeleaf sadly made illegal throughout the Karaz Ankor.
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It's also possible it was assumed he was conferring with shamans, and he actually didn't have any? Hard to say how well Mathilde could tell from there.
 
I am still wondering: why did it go so smoothly?
I mean, we were so worried about orcs counterspelling us, and needing to Waaagbane those uppity shamans, but there wasn't even a roll for it.
Was anything lower than 50(40? 30??) risking a dispel? Did our meditations with Gazul somehow add a narrative bonus to it's strength (though more likely it could have influenced that 23vs20 roll instead)? Was the tower too quick and shamans too distracted/unprepared to react in time?

Not that I am complaining, but I start to understand Dwarven concern with testing things extensively before calling them ready- still many corner cases we have little to no idea about.
 
BoneyM said:
The Wagons circle around Birdmuncha's and the Warboss confers with the Big Bosses and Shamans that they contain. Every so often you glance over at Karag Lhune, where gyrocopters returning to reload pass on the latest estimates of how many Orcs remain in the Western Approach. As the debate amongst the greenskins is temporarily shelved for Birdmuncha to wrestle an underling into obedience, the 2 and 5 flags are taken down and replaced with 3 and 0. Not even a third. You cross your fingers and mutter a prayer to Ranald. Finally, an accord is reached, and the Bosses begin shouting orders in every direction. The Wagons disgorge Snotlings by the hundreds and each Orc evicts their hitchhikers, and tens of thousands of tiny hands set to work digging through the soil of the Caldera. Surely they don't think they could get through the stone and into the Under-Caldera? But with one eye on the Citadel for any order from King Belegar to fire early, you watch them as tunnels begin to take form and worm their haphazard way towards the Citadel, marked by frequently resurfacing Snotlings trying to regain their bearings. Sappers, then.
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huh, snotling sappers. makes sense, and we did not see it coming. Might have been an issue if we had not just erased the force they were digging for. Hopefully, we can collapse the tunnels rather than having to send people into them to clear them out.
 
PurposefulZephyr said:
I am still wondering: why did it go so smoothly?
I mean, we were so worried about orcs counterspelling us, and needing to Waaagbane those uppity shamans, but there wasn't even a roll for it.
Was anything lower than 50(40? 30??) risking a dispel? Did our meditations with Gazul somehow add a narrative bonus to it's strength (though more likely it could have influenced that 23vs20 roll instead)? Was the tower too quick and shamans too distracted/unprepared to react in time?

Not that I am complaining, but I start to understand Dwarven concern with testing things extensively before calling them ready- still many corner cases we have little to no idea about.
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we do not have confirmation what the effect of Ranald's and our heist on Mork was on the Orcs.
Maybe it's that they do not get to cast spells for some time.
 
PurposefulZephyr said:
I am still wondering: why did it go so smoothly?
I mean, we were so worried about orcs counterspelling us, and needing to Waaagbane those uppity shamans, but there wasn't even a roll for it.
Was anything lower than 50(40? 30??) risking a dispel? Did our meditations with Gazul somehow add a narrative bonus to it's strength (though more likely it could have influenced that 23vs20 roll instead)? Was the tower too quick and shamans too distracted/unprepared to react in time?

Not that I am complaining, but I start to understand Dwarven concern with testing things extensively before calling them ready- still many corner cases we have little to no idea about.
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There was an opposed check.
What looks like Mattys Martial against someone else; 23 v 20.
 
I don't see the disregard of Eye of Gazul as all that surprising, nor unreasonable (from dawi POV).

I mean, even Kragg who (was one of those that) built it, considered it dangerously untested and unreliable due to the magical third of the wonder-weapon.

The way dwarfs are, there will always be some suspicion of its reliability, until at least several centuries of effective use has passed.

Though, its potency won't ever be doubted again.

What's more suprising and insulting is the disregard of Thorgrim for Karak Azul's throng. Did he forgot about them? Did he think that they would abandon K8P despite Kazador's vow? (Maybe Boney made a mistake when he wrote that update?).

I foresee no new grudges most likely, but Thorgrim will have to make amends.
 
Horium said:
I don't see the disregard of Eye of Gazul as all that surprising, nor unreasonable (from dawi POV).

I mean, even Kragg who (was one of those that) built it, considered it dangerously untested and unreliable due to the magical third of the wonder-weapon.

The way dwarfs are, there will always be some suspicion of its reliability, until at least several centuries of effective use has passed.

Though, its potency won't ever be doubted again.

What's more suprising and insulting is the disregard of Thorgrim for Karak Azul's throng. Did he forgot about them? Did he think that they would abandon K8P despite Kazador's vow? (Maybe Boney made a mistake when he wrote that update?).

I foresee no new grudges most likely, but Thorgrim will have to make amends.
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It's possible he thought Kazador would make the same calculation he did. In a lot of ways the odds were even longer for Kazador; KaK would survive without the aircorp, but Karak Azul would be doomed if Kazador's Throng was destroyed.
 
PurposefulZephyr said:
Wasn't that opposed check for godly intervention from Order or Chaos?
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That was my interpretation too.

I think sometimes people just don't get to roll for things, if they aren't expecting them. Who could possibly guess that a mountain would turn around, steal the sun out of the sky, and proceed to blast you with dwarven hellfire? The shamans might have been capable of watching for it, but Birdmuncha busied them all with talking to him, and by the time they realized what was going on they were toast.
 
LightLan said:
we do not have confirmation what the effect of Ranald's and our heist on Mork was on the Orcs.
Maybe it's that they do not get to cast spells for some time.
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BoneyM said:
A single die tumbles.
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BoneyM said:
[Greenskin shamans?: 79, 89. One Great Shaman, three lesser Shaman.]

And, it seems, you were right to be concerned. Perhaps your reputation had reached even the greenskins, perhaps Mork had whispered in some ears to be on the look out, perhaps it was as simple as one magic-user recognizing another. Inside the Citadel an Ork thrust his head forward, uncaring of the pain as it hit the carved stone to either side of the arrowslit he had been peeking through, and a shockwave of green energy flew forth from the motion directly at you.
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Godly heist was before final confrontation with orc shamans. Their magic was fine.
uju32 said:
It just looks like a Martial check bc Matty is Martial 23.
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23 was the result of the roll though. It's even linked to an off-site dice roller.
 
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PurposefulZephyr said:
I am still wondering: why did it go so smoothly?
I mean, we were so worried about orcs counterspelling us, and needing to Waaagbane those uppity shamans, but there wasn't even a roll for it.
Was anything lower than 50(40? 30??) risking a dispel? Did our meditations with Gazul somehow add a narrative bonus to it's strength (though more likely it could have influenced that 23vs20 roll instead)? Was the tower too quick and shamans too distracted/unprepared to react in time?

Not that I am complaining, but I start to understand Dwarven concern with testing things extensively before calling them ready- still many corner cases we have little to no idea about.
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It seems the eye acts too fast for anyone inside it's area of effect to do anything about it, presumably a shaman that noticed and was in a position to see the tower and not be affected by it's shadow could have counteracted it, but we specifically targeted everything inside the caldera that we could see.
So the only ones in a position to do anything were Gork and Mork, but they failed their roll and would have had to act against Gazul had they succeeded (and had Gazul succeeded too, which he did not).
 
PurposefulZephyr said:
I am still wondering: why did it go so smoothly?
I mean, we were so worried about orcs counterspelling us, and needing to Waaagbane those uppity shamans, but there wasn't even a roll for it.
Was anything lower than 50(40? 30??) risking a dispel? Did our meditations with Gazul somehow add a narrative bonus to it's strength (though more likely it could have influenced that 23vs20 roll instead)? Was the tower too quick and shamans too distracted/unprepared to react in time?

Not that I am complaining, but I start to understand Dwarven concern with testing things extensively before calling them ready- still many corner cases we have little to no idea about.
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Maybe their magesight is poor, so their first clue that the tower was firing was them getting disintegrated by it
 
Grombrindal to Belegar: Lets hope yours doesn ´t go as bad as mine did. This is a jab at his friendship with Malekith
 
Edit: As the post I was responding was deleted, I've removed my own response. The discussion isn't really fruitful or worth continuing.
 
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das_slash said:
It seems the eye acts too fast for anyone inside it's area of effect to do anything about it, presumably a shaman that noticed and was in a position to see the tower and not be affected by it's shadow could have counteracted it, but we specifically targeted everything inside the caldera that we could see.
So the only ones in a position to do anything were Gork and Mork, but they failed their roll and would have had to act against Gazul had they succeeded (and had Gazul succeeded too, which he did not).
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I just assume there was so many bonus on our side (+27 + 20wahhhbane + 10 planed attack, + 10 set up etc etc..) and so many debuffs on their side (-20 suprised. -10 un-Dwarf-like etc etc.) that there was no point rolling.
 
From what I can tell, the Good Guys and Bad Guys rolls, were to see if any of the Divine intervened, and if any other gods tried to counter them. Since both sides rolled so shit, everyone just kinda stood there doing nothing, while Matty unlighted the Caldera of Greenskins.
 
Perhaps our Learning roll-to-use of 58 was good enough, and a lower total would have led to hitches and glitches inviting counterspelling, yeah.
 
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