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So, a question about the fortification vote. If we're using Clan Angrund, the Karak Izor Immigrants, and the Throng of Karak Azul to fortify, doesn't that just leave the mercenaries to actually clear out the other two Karags?

Even if it's just leftovers, that seems like a lot of ground to cover for less than 4,000 men, particularly with 3,000 of that being largely unskilled melee rabble that are probably the most tired of our forces (and it's been said sending those against the Trolls just means fatter trolls.)

Shouldn't we grab at least one of our Dwarf formations to help out? I've no doubts about the Besiegers' skills, but their forte is assaults on fortified positions and rearguard actions, not rapid moping up of scattered enemy forces.

There's overwhelming support in favor of scouting first, I'm just hoping that we're not pissing away victory at the brink because we're scared of the Dragon bloodlusting on us from being in the vague neighbourhood.
 
So, a question about the fortification vote. If we're using Clan Angrund, the Karak Izor Immigrants, and the Throng of Karak Azul to fortify, doesn't that just leave the mercenaries to actually clear out the other two Karags?

Even if it's just leftovers, that seems like a lot of ground to cover for less than 4,000 men, particularly with 3,000 of that being largely unskilled melee rabble that are probably the most tired of our forces (and it's been said sending those against the Trolls just means fatter trolls.)

Shouldn't we grab at least one of our Dwarf formations to help out? I've no doubts about the Besiegers' skills, but their forte is assaults on fortified positions and rearguard actions, not rapid moping up of scattered enemy forces.
The Besiegers are pretty ideal for mopping up the trolls but yeah, I agree; @Alectai, when he originally proposed the fortification plan, was ignoring Karag Zilfin, but people have been voting for the fortification plan but also for clearing out Zilfin, when I am pretty sure we can afford the troops for only one or the other.
 
The main thing is that hopefully the dragon doesnt have grudges for diplo to work , if he does then we are forced to fight it or in the best case scenario driving it off to somewhere but probably still would have to fight it wich wont be fun. I doubt that it will become super freindly but a mercenary realtionship might work .
Karak nar is literally a example of giving away a mountain already and they accepted the WE wich is shitloads stranger than dragons. And as belegar said , the eightpeaks are way to massive for current dwarf pop numbers . Maybe if zilfin isnt ideal we could relocate him to another mountain since it was one of the main mountains. Probably mhonar is my guess when we clear it if we are going by value of the mountains i guess .

Also we could offer to trade for dwarf stuff from its hoard since belegar should be rich enough and hes about to get another lootbox or two from the fall i think. Or we pay the trade with elf treasures if he wants similar item levels . I imagine the capital might have some laying around i imagine from their war. Hell eightpeaks might have elf loot in a lootbox for example . We would be interested if there is any ofc but dwarfs getting great rune items or maybe a ancestral dwarf stuff back.
 
The Besiegers are pretty ideal for mopping up the trolls but yeah, I agree; @Alectai, when he originally proposed the fortification plan, was ignoring Karag Zilfin, but people have been voting for the fortification plan but also for clearing out Zilfin, when I am pretty sure we can afford the troops for only one or the other.
You're forgeting the miners left in Karagril top, as well as the QMs word that the mercs will be useless against the Trolls. Just food for them. Those two together can do the clearing of Skyre, while Pike and Shoot deals with the Trolls. Biggest weakness then is Huzkul, and they should at least hold for a while.

Keep in mind, they are militia by dwarven standards. Not meant for that kind of grind. Frankly, I'd prefer the Besiegers over there as well, as soon as we can spare them.
 
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Obviously Not. Clearly what @Luminous meant was, that we turn the Dragon into our debt-collector
really, if we could get across the idea, Dragons would make the best investors/enterprisers.

Dragon: So if I give a little bit of my horde to this human, he will pay me enough tribute to get my horde back in as little a time as 20 years, a blink really, and will continue to pay me tribute for 10 to 20 years or even longer if his pup continues whenever it was they were doing... and if they disrespect me by not paying not only will no one will get mad if a get just revenge, but the men in metal will do it for me if I tell them?... why have I only heard about this now!
 
I mean, all Sigmar did for the Dwarfs was rescue the High King that one time. And look at us!
I mean, there was other battles as well. (Including Blackfire Pass)

There is also the fact that mankind is in a much stronger position to be able to help the Dwarfs. (He also didn't have any magic at all)

I'm aware I'm responding to a joke, but nonetheless.
 
There's overwhelming support in favor of scouting first, I'm just hoping that we're not pissing away victory at the brink because we're scared of the Dragon bloodlusting on us from being in the vague neighbourhood.
Alright, unpack that, because what do you think is the risk here? That the Dragon "claims" Yar or something? That he somehow will do a poor job of killing the skaven?
 
[X] YAR: Make no move until you've scouted the Karag Yar battle.
-[X] Personally.
[X] RHYN: Assault the Trolls now.
[X] ZILFIN: Assault the mountain to slay any surviving Skaven.
 
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The Besiegers are pretty ideal for mopping up the trolls but yeah, I agree; @Alectai, when he originally proposed the fortification plan, was ignoring Karag Zilfin, but people have been voting for the fortification plan but also for clearing out Zilfin, when I am pretty sure we can afford the troops for only one or the other.
So, new vote: let Kazador handle the assaults on the leftovers, while Clan Angrund and the Karak Izor groups bottle up the Skaven in with the dragon. And hopefully Mathilde's Windsight will be good enough to keep track so she can be on hand if/when the dragon does emerge.

[X] RHYN: Assault the Trolls now.
[X] ZILFIN: Assault the mountain to slay any surviving Skaven.
[X] YAR: Fortify and garrison all entrances to the mountain.
- [X] Clan Angrund, Karak Izor Immigrants
- [X] Mathilde
 
Alright, unpack that, because what do you think is the risk here? That the Dragon "claims" Yar or something? That he somehow will do a poor job of killing the skaven?
As I understand it, it's that the Eshin Sorcerer and Three Assasins will get out and carry the tale all the way to Skavenblight (Or their home warren). About the tactics, and the enemy there. As well as keep a grudge. Good Luck finding or catching them once they decide it's time to run.
 
I mean, all Sigmar did for the Dwarfs was rescue the High King that one time. And look at us!
'Anything you do, i can do better' is Mathilde themesong, annoyingly to many.

Sigmarites, the stirland league, the Elector Countess, the rangers, Mork, Alagar, skaven, Belegar, and now Sigmar.

Can't wait until this karma pain boxcars train starts hitting elves and nagash. Just a peasant huh?
 
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I find it weird that the people advocating negotiating with the Dragon are also making the 'ZILFIN: Assault the mountain to slay any surviving Skaven.' vote

if the dragon comes back after a blood rage on the things in 'its' mountain, and then finds us in the mountain... well, negotiations over before they start really.
 
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You're forgeting the miners left in Karagril top, as well as the QMs word that the mercs will be useless against the Trolls. Just food for them. Those two together can do the clearing of Skyre, while Pike and Shoot deals with the Trolls. Biggest weakness then is Huzkul, and they should at least hold for a while.
The border prince mercs are shit against trolls, because sending non-elite standard infantry up against trolls is insane. The Besiegers are great because one approved way of dealing with trolls is "fill them with steel from a hundred meters away."

That said, currently "go scout" is beating "fortify yar" by about 30 votes, so it doesn't matter and we'll generate ideal force comps for both mountain-clearing tasks.
I find it weird that the people advocating negotiating with the Dragon are also making the 'ZILFIN: Assault the mountain to slay any surviving Skaven.'

if the dragon comes back after a blood rage on the things in 'its' mountain, and then finds us in the mountain... well, negotiations over before they start really.
The dragon seems pretty specifically mad at skaven, I don't think it can finish off Eshin and Mors in an hour when it took several hours to clear out Skryre, and we aren't going into its territory (the top part of the mountain) at all. I think we're fine to mop up Skryre for it.
 
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[X] RHYN: Assault the Trolls now.
[X] ZILFIN: Assault the mountain to slay any surviving Skaven.
[X] YAR: Fortify and garrison all entrances to the mountain.
- [X] Clan Angrund, Karak Izor Immigrants
- [X] Mathilde
 
Alright, unpack that, because what do you think is the risk here? That the Dragon "claims" Yar or something? That he somehow will do a poor job of killing the skaven?
Also, the fear is the Skaven Sorcerer when faced with a Dragon might do what Sorcerers do when they panic/last gamble/bring out the nukes and push his big red "Summon Greater Deamon" button, which would in this case be a Verminlord.
The border prince mercs are shit against trolls, because sending non-elite standard infantry up against trolls is insane. The Besiegers are great because one approved way of dealing with trolls is "fill them with steel from a hundred meters away."
Try reading the post you quoted one more time. I feel like this is a case of failing reading comprehension, because otherwise I have no idea where this post came from in response to that post.

EDIT: I think I see it. The Besiegers and the Border Prince are both mercs. I meant the latter, with the "Those two" pertaining to mercs. One is a named unit, IE, the Besigers, while the other is just mercs. I meant the Border Prince mercs and the miners can clear Skyre, if that wins. But I can see how that could cause confusion.
 
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Also, the fear is the Skaven Sorcerer when faced with a Dragon might do what Sorcerers do when they panic/last gamble/bring out the nukes and push his big red "Summon Greater Deamon" button, which would in this case be a Verminlord.
The Eshin Sorceror would have the Lore of Stealth. As far as I'm aware, summoning Verminlords is only something a Grey Seer could do?

(Don't you need a Screaming Bell?)
 
Try reading the post you quoted one more time. I feel like this is a case of failing reading comprehension, because otherwise I have no idea where this post came from in response to that post.
Sorry; I had (in my earlier post) said the Besiegers should mop up the trolls, and then the opening line of your post that quoted mine included "the mercs will be useless against the Trolls," so I thought you were including the Besiegers in that.
 
[X] YAR: Fortify and garrison all entrances to the mountain.
-[X] Clan Angrund, Throng of Karak Azul, Karak Izor Immigrants
-[X] Mathilde

[X] RHYN: Assault the Trolls now.

[X] ZILFIN: Assault the mountain to slay any surviving Skaven.
 
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