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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Redshirt Army said:
Yeah, alright, 5K Skaven in total holding the entire Caldera means we might actually be able to pull off the magical christmasland scenario where we claim it.

The lack of slaves is concerning, though, as is the apparent lack of breeders, so let's not be too hasty.

E: Ah, that WoG explains it. The Trench is gonna have a lot of elites guarding it, bear in mind - the best of the best that Mors could keep in reserve. And while the leadership dealing with Eshin doesn't know about us, that's not true for the Trench.

It'll be a small garrison of elites fighting to the desperate end against a vastly numerically superior foe - nice to see the Skaven in the other side of that for a change.
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Except vastly numerically foe are our peeps, so, ya know, we wanna keep them alive.

I dunno what "Trench" means, but can keep one runelord on anti-dragon reserve and use the other to just full on lava the place? Or are there too many corners and tunnels? I have no mental map for what we're dealing with here :/
 
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Hmmmm.

Why was Mors so desperate, if they had so many territories? What time bomb was ticking? They had a steady source of food from greenskins, and also they had a fuckton of ammo.

I think that I know: Eshin had murdered all their breeders, and they were actively losing ratpower. That's why there are no slaves. They were all promoted to clan rats, because there was way too much equipment for so few rats.

Think about it. Only clans with excess population can afford to throw skaven lives away. What if they aren't getting more slaves? What if they can't even get more Skaven?
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Hmmm.

We saw Eshin was fighting Mors in Yar last turn, so I'm confident nothing major has changed there (though we don't know how the battle is going.) We haven't heard from Under-Karagil yet, but things are probably going okay there.

We aren't entirely sure about Karag Rhyn, though we think the trolls have gone there. It's a bit odd that the greenskins haven't come out except to charge across the Caldera - they weren't noted to be attacking the Under-Caldera, so it seems likely that they're fighting each other, though that's not guaranteed. It'd be stupid, but their god of Cunning isn't quite what he used to be.

The two big wildcards are Zilfin and Mhonar. We haven't seen the dragon or Skaven since the former went to deal with the latter, but it's been a while - I suspect the dragon might show itself soon.

The other is Mhonar-

OH SHIT.

The Sentinels are empty. The Sentinels have been empty since before we got here. Mhonar's mystery isn't bunkering down, there's a passageway to the Sentinels!
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Following on from this: if I'm right, then if we leave nothing to cover the Sentinels then whatever's coming from Mhonar is going to hit Wyr, the Under-Citadel or possibly even the upper Citadel from behind. That would be very bad. It's scary enough to keep out greenskins, trolls and skaven. It'll need a sizable force to deal with it.

If I'm wrong, then moving to garrison the Sentinels with a large enough force to fight off hypothetical Mhonar gribblies would be a big waste, on a turn when we were hoping to move in on the Caldera. Worse, if they go somewhere else it might just leave our forces wasted and out of position. But... I don't think I am. At least the Caldera's down to 10,000 rats... Kazador's force should be able to handle that, unless things have gone badly under Karagil.

@BoneyM, am I right in recalling that the Sentinels were empty since before we got here? Were there any bodies, like in Mhonar?

Also, am I right in thinking we haven't had any reports on how Kazador and co. are doing?
 
BoneyM said:
This is a map of the underground portions of Karak Eight Peaks. Everything not listed as 'above' is in the 'Under' portion of wherever they are. This is all based on IC information, and is only as reliable as the sources Mathilde has for each piece of the puzzle.

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@BoneyM So the map in the collected information thread mark doesn't have a underway connection between Kvinn-Wyr and Under Caldera. Is this a new discovery or do one of these maps have an error?
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Also, am I right in thinking we haven't had any reports on how Kazador and co. are doing?
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Kazador's doing fine.
BoneyM said:
The strike on Under-Karagril was as devastating as you had hoped, and the Skaven bottled into the Karak Drazh Underway remain locked in their constant siege against the greenskins, as good a result as you could have hoped for, and you're surprised to hear that Clan Moulder's holdings weren't quite as looted as you would have expected. Everything that isn't edible has been left where it stood, and though that covers a lot of ground when dealing with Skaven warring with the Black Hunger, some potentially interesting bits and pieces remain. Only with some difficulty do you manage to keep yourself from speculating as to what might have been found and focus on the task at hand.
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Tomcost said:
Hmmmm.

Why was Mors so desperate, if they had so many territories? What time bomb was ticking? They had a steady source of food from greenskins, and also they had a fuckton of ammo.

I think that I know: Eshin had murdered all their breeders, and they were actively losing ratpower. That's why there are no slaves. They were all promoted to clan rats, because there was way too much equipment for so few rats.

Think about it. Only clans with excess population can afford to throw skaven lives away. What if they aren't getting more slaves? What if they can't even get more Skaven?
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This makes sooo much sense!!!!!??
 
Deathbybunnies said:
@BoneyM, am I right in recalling that the Sentinels were empty since before we got here? Were there any bodies, like in Mhonar?
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Some old bodies. Mhonar had newer and more numerous ones.

Deathbybunnies said:
Also, am I right in thinking we haven't had any reports on how Kazador and co. are doing?
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You turn your mind back to the matter of war as information flows in. The strike on Under-Karagril was as devastating as you had hoped, and the Skaven bottled into the Karak Drazh Underway remain locked in their constant siege against the greenskins, as good a result as you could have hoped for, and you're surprised to hear that Clan Moulder's holdings weren't quite as looted as you would have expected. Everything that isn't edible has been left where it stood, and though that covers a lot of ground when dealing with Skaven warring with the Black Hunger, some potentially interesting bits and pieces remain. Only with some difficulty do you manage to keep yourself from speculating as to what might have been found and focus on the task at hand.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Following on from this: if I'm right, then if we leave nothing to cover the Sentinels then whatever's coming from Mhonar is going to hit Wyr, the Under-Citadel or possibly even the upper Citadel from behind. That would be very bad. It's scary enough to keep out greenskins, trolls and skaven. It'll need a sizable force to deal with it.

If I'm wrong, then moving to garrison the Sentinels with a large enough force to fight off hypothetical Mhonar gribblies would be a big waste, on a turn when we were hoping to move in on the Caldera. Worse, if they go somewhere else it might just leave our forces wasted and out of position. But... I don't think I am. At least the Caldera's down to 10,000 rats... Kazador's force should be able to handle that, unless things have gone badly under Karagil.

@BoneyM, am I right in recalling that the Sentinels were empty since before we got here? Were there any bodies, like in Mhonar?

Also, am I right in thinking we haven't had any reports on how Kazador and co. are doing?
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The thing is that the Sentinels are not connected to Karag Mohnar directly,

If something went there from Mohnar, our forces would have told us because we have forces on all the possible routes, except the under Caldera which has the Skaven
 
I would like to check one of these so we can see if there is any sign of the Karag Mhonar mystery staying put.
- Under-Karag Mhonar
-Karag Mhonar

I also wanted to check the Sentinels to make sure that they are still empty as the Karag Mhonar mystery may have gone there.
- The Sentinels

As for the last place, I want to either check how Mors is holding out against the Orcs (in case Mors fails to keep them contained) or check up on what the dragon is doing.
- Karagril-Karak Drazh Underway
- Under-Karag Zilfin
 
BeepSmile said:
Except vastly numerically foe are our peeps, so, ya know, we wanna keep them alive.

I dunno what "Trench" means, but can keep one runelord on anti-dragon reserve and use the other to just full on laval the place? Or are there too many corners and tunnels? I have no mental map for what we're dealing with here :/
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Bottom of Image, The Trench is about where the Skaven first entered 8 Peaks.
 
Prospalz said:
There is no direct connection between Mhonar and Sentinels on the map, so IDK how mystery would get there.
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Secret tunnel we don't know about. I am also not all that worried about the Mohnar Mystery, because we pushed Rangers into its grill months ago and it did nothing.

Scouting the Sentinels is sensible just in case since it directly connects to the Under Citadel, but I don't expect to find much. The Under Ziflin and the Under Yar battles need to be checked on so we know how the two biggest external influences on our strategy are behaving.
 
I'm confused why people thing whatever is in Karag Mhonar has moved to the Sentinel? There's no direct underway connection, and their other possible routes would have taken them through the trolls or Clan Mors, which we might have noticed.
 
doruma1920 said:
Bottom of Image, The Trench is about where the Skaven first entered 8 Peaks.
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I draw a lot of inspiration from that map, but I also shift things around a lot to make it Karak Eight Peaks instead of Karak Two Peaks, so it's not 100% canon. But it does give a good idea of the size of the Trench.

Chimeraguard said:
@BoneyM Do our Rangers have an estimate on how many Stormvermin are in the Under-Caldera?
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Perhaps 10% of the remaining forces, so maybe 200 to 1000.
 
Redshirt Army said:
E: Ah, that WoG explains it. The Trench is gonna have a lot of elites guarding it, bear in mind - the best of the best that Mors could keep in reserve. And while the leadership dealing with Eshin doesn't know about us, that's not true for the Trench.

It'll be a small garrison of elites fighting to the desperate end against a vastly numerically superior foe - nice to see the Skaven in the other side of that for a change.
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How many elites can you spare when you are about to fight Eshin?
BoneyM said:
Yes, but you'll probably want to leave at least one unit there to keep the Skaven defenders bottled against the greenskins.
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Which of the currently above-ground siege weapon can be moved to the underground fronts?
 
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