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I was looking at the map the QM just posted and I noted that if the ??? that was in Mohnar is gone, which certainly seems the case since the trolls entered Mohnar en mass, then there is nothing stopping whoever wins the fight between the trolls and grenskins in Rhyn from occupying Mohnar, which means we should try to take it while it is empty, and if we take Mohnar we could also take the Under-Caldera outright and would still have the same total number of fronts.
We don't really have the forces. We have enough to hold the Citadel and the Cordon in Under Karagril and use the rest to attack the Under Caldera but we don't have commanders that are as capable as Kazador and Mathilde and can really only sustain two attacks with good commanders. If we want to take Mohnar, we could do it after attacking the Caldera if our forces are okay.
 
Hmmmm.

Why was Mors so desperate, if they had so many territories? What time bomb was ticking? They had a steady source of food from greenskins, and also they had a fuckton of ammo.

I think that I know: Eshin had murdered all their breeders, and they were actively losing ratpower. That's why there are no slaves. They were all promoted to clan rats, because there was way too much equipment for so few rats.

Think about it. Only clans with excess population can afford to throw skaven lives away. What if they aren't getting more slaves? What if they can't even get more Skaven?

If that is the case then it has to be recent development, since Mors likely captured Moulder breeders during Karagril assault.

I'm confused why people thing whatever is in Karag Mhonar has moved to the Sentinel? There's no direct underway connection, and their other possible routes would have taken them through the trolls or Clan Mors, which we might have noticed.

There is no connection that we know of. That doesn't mean that there cannot be one, since no one paid much attention to the Sentinels after confirming that they are empty.
 
This hour allows Mors to further wear themselves down against Eshin. Then next turn, if all goes well, we get stuck in for an under-Caldera assault.
This presumes that Mors are not going to dig in and reinforce their position, instead of going for full Eshin extermination.

Which is possible, if the guess about Mors breeders being all dead checks out, but counting on that is... IDK.
 
We don't know what they're capable of, and therefore don't know that they're incapable of reaching ANYWHERE. By the same logic Mhonar's denizens could be battering down the door to Mathilde's library to steal the Liber Mortis.

No, you are just taking the logic to a stupid extreme to strawman an argument that you are opposed to it. It is far more plausible that an unidentified faction of unknown capabilities that is apparently doesn't attack the trolls moved into the empty Sentinels via Kvinn-Wyr then it is that they broke into Karag Nar and made it all the way into Mathilde's tower undetected.
 
Whatever else we do this turn, it's time to check Mhonar.
Regarding attacking, I say we let Kazador lead the attack on the Caldera, with full ranger support, while we go back to Mors/Eshin and decapitate Mors, or ... Deshoulderate? Kill the captains, leave Sleek be unless he is wounded or something.
 
For the scouting actions, guys, we really want to spend two on the Caldera: one to fight against falling attacks in the maze-like trench and allow for faster victory, and another to cut off communications yet again.

If we can get an hour or two free to rampage over the Under-Caldera, Mors is fucked.
If I were desperate (and Mors have a +10 desperation roll in eirler battles against Eshin), I'd keep my elite troops in reserve to try and protect my strategic assets against the assassin's.

I suggest we fortify the under-karagri and under citidale, let the Mors reposition to attack us, and hopefully the Eshin will expend assets to try and destroy the Mors for us.

Because frankly, I find Eshin scarier than Mors, and,.now this might be a bit mad of me, am hopeful that we can get the orcs of Rhyn to attack Yar.

With regard to the trolls.... I dunno. Stick some more artillery there if we have any, incase whatever scary thing in Mhonar decides to return.
 
What metagaming? Replace "Mathilde's trait" with "Mathilde being very very good at this."
Canonically Karak Eight Peaks has a whole bunch of secret passages, often hidden by runes, that in canon Belegar used in his endless war. I am saying that I believe there is a secret passage between Mhonar and the Sentinels, and that's why they're empty - because when greenskins or skaven went there, they ended up dying.

Literally the only piece of evidence that whatever is in Mhonar could have moved to the Sentinels is the idea that the secret passageways the Dwarves used in canon are being used by someone else now. Mathilde has never heard of secret Dwarven passageways, so basing our conclusion that the Mhonar gribblies are using them to move around is pretty clearly drawing on out-of-universe knowledge -- metagaming.
 
This presumes that Mors are not going to dig in and reinforce their position, instead of going for full Eshin extermination.

Which is possible, if the guess about Mors breeders being all dead checks out, but counting on that is... IDK.
My understanding is that they're already engaged with Eshin; there's a massive battle going on.
 
Learning:
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So just notice we apparently have a skill in *Googles* Library Sciences!?

Was this in the pre-war update or recently?
 
If we do take the Under-Caldera, we will have 5 realistic fronts in the underway; Drazh, Rhyn, Yar, and two for Mhonar.

I'd say 7 fronts but -

*Earth trembles*

Zilfin is basically handled to the point of only needing a few grapeshot cannons covering the approaches.
 
This presumes that Mors are not going to dig in and reinforce their position, instead of going for full Eshin extermination.

Which is possible, if the guess about Mors breeders being all dead checks out, but counting on that is... IDK.
That is what Scouting is for...

If we take the Under Caldera and prevent the messengers to reach Mors in Zilfin we have the chance of basically crushing the survivors of Zilfin under a Boot of Steel.
 
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My understanding is that they're already engaged with Eshin; there's a massive battle going on.
They are about to take under-Yar; were predicted to in 1-2 hours... 1 hour ago. But Eshin also has upper Yar. From that point onward they and Eshin are going to have a choice of stopping the fight at this natural breakpoint between upper and lower bits of the mountain or continue going for each other's throats.
 
What do you guys think about leaving only Thorek to guard above-ground Karagril, move the Miners (which have 20 tripod-mounted crossbows as fire support) to guard Under-Karagril, and move Huzkul + Azul + Mercs on the assault?

The Trench is massive, and Mors will be fighting tooth and nail there. We can't afford to leave 10k warriors behind, and I want the mercs to soften the dwarf casualties.

We really want a truly crushing force to swiftly take the Caldera, so like we did here, we can get on with the looting and, in that case, sabotage.
 
If that is the case then it has to be recent development, since Mors likely captured Moulder breeders during Karagril assault.

We were told it was quite possible the invading skaven brought no breeders.

My understanding is that they're already engaged with Eshin; there's a massive battle going on.

The massive battle is still in Under-Yar, once they boot Eshin out of that location they have the choice between pushing to Upper-Yar or being satisfied with their gains.
 
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They are about to take under-Yar; were predicted to in 1-2 hours... 1 hour ago. But Eshin also has upper Yar. From that point onward they and Eshin are going to have a choice of stopping the fight at this natural breakpoint between upper and lower bits of the mountain or continue going for each other's throats.
We predicted 2-3 hours one hour ago...
 
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